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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2009, 10:52:19 AM »
Tacking onto Amber's post......

it was an amazing blessing for me to realize:

 I could love people the way I needed to love them.....

instead of the way they wanted me to.

Give yourself permission to love your father the way you need to.

He's exactly where God wants him to be, you aren't responsible for caretaking his emotions.

You're job is taking care of yourself. 

::nod::

Mo2


ps: Going NC.....

 Withdrawing with love......

is one of many options.



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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 05:31:38 PM »
Thanks all. Many of you are right, that I may not be able to go total NC with my father, or will at least need to withdraw slowly. Total NC was necessary with NM, because she was the truly sick one who was beating on me relentlessly, so it had to be done. I have a lot of mixed feelings with my father. There is so much hurt and betrayal that we can never have a normal relationship, but at the same time, going total NC on a 79-year-old seems cruel (which I shouldn't even be considering, given the cruelty he's inflicted on me, but I seem to be the only family member who was born with a heart). I DO want to hear his explanation for cutting me from the will, and giving the Emmy to the golden child. There's no way he can talk his way out of it, but I'm still curious to hear his rationalization of it. If he comes right out with crap about the male heir being number one (which I know he believes), it will definitely influence my decision.

Ami, I really liked what you said about "selective weakness." I think you sure hit the nail on the head with that one. Yes, F could certainly be strong when it came to protecting NM and the golden child. If he were totally weak, he wouldn't have had a successful and high-paying career with a top network, AND won an Emmy, now would he? He definitely chose when to be weak, and when to be strong.

Kathy

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 08:28:12 PM »
Yes, Kathy. It is so easy to give him a pass cuz he was "weak" but he could be VERY strong when he was protecting the NM. One day, I will tell you about what my F said to me when I got the repressed memory of my M molesting me.
 I can't believe my life, sometimes!                          Ami
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2009, 10:42:41 PM »
My father called today. I let my husband answer the phone because I just couldn’t deal with it. Hubby also thought it best that HE be the one to confront F, since F is very old-school and very sexist, takes things more seriously when they come from a man.

Well, it went pretty much as expected. Hubby said it was the most frustrating phone call of his life. Every time he tried to bring up the subject of the will, F went into his “Rain Main” mode and started blabbering about buying peaches at the fruit market. H had to keep saying, “listen to me,” to try to get him to stop stammering, but F just kept talking nonsense and going full avoidance on the issue. After a whole lot of dancing around it, my father finally said that I was taken out of the will because I had hurt my NM, and that M had insisted, and that he “had no say in it.” He also said that there wasn’t much money left, so why did I care? H tried to explain that it wasn’t about the money, it was about my parents not loving me, which resulted in more blabbering.

We never did get much of an answer regarding the Emmy, other than “What’s the big deal, I gave it to my SON.”

The one thing hubby said over and over was that he couldn’t get past my father’s complete lack of empathy over having hurt me so badly. H told him that I was having heart palpitations, and F said, “Sorry she’s not feeling well, but, oh well.” Hubby got so frustrated going around in circles with him that he finally hung up on him. I’ve been dealing with F’s “bla bla bla bla I can’t hear you” routine for years, but this was the first time H had to deal with it, and he sat there afterwards, completely bewildered by the whole experience. He was REALLY upset/angry that my father had done these horrible, hurtful things to me, and had a total “who cares” attitude.

Okay, after some 40 years of making excuses for this man, it has to stop. Maybe I’ll change my mind years from now (if he’s still around), but right now I’m just done with this entire effed-up dysfunctional family.

Not only am I done with F, but I NEVER want to see my worthless brother again, the golden child who grew up to be a selfish piece of crap. He treats his sisters like garbage, looks down his nose at us, while holding out his hands expecting gifts.

I don’t know how to feel about my sister. She’s never done anything to hurt me, but she’s SO brainwashed by my mother that I can’t say anything to her without her reporting back to them. I can’t trust her at all. Example of how codependent she is (and how controlling M is). My NM, in another effort at control, does not want her house sold when she dies, because she can’t stand the thought of Mexicans or Blacks or some “undesirables” living in her house. So according to this new will they’ve had drawn, S gets the house, but is required to live in it, and sell her own house. S is totally cool with this because “Mom wants me to.” Unreal. (And for the record, both homes are of equal value, so there's no monetary gain for her).

I’m just devastated right now. Been crying all day and my head is pounding. Like Ami said in an earlier post about her own dad, I always made excuses for him and held onto this fantasy that ONE of my parents loved me. It’s not easy finally getting punched in the gut at age 49 and realizing that I was wrong. It more than hurts. I feel like I’ve been hit by a truck.  :cry:

Kathy

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2009, 09:57:20 AM »
Dear (((Kathy)))
 I had the EXACT same thing---- same underlying themes.
 My F coldly threw me under the bus--no feeling!
 I told you about my H breaking down the door 3 times and my F said. "That's life."
 After I realized my M molested me, my F said,"Let's look up the word"molest" in the Dictionary.
 I asked my F WHY he did not protect me from my abusive H. He said,"Nobody protected me."
 Your relationship with your F  before was unreal. That was a big reason you had so many emotional  and physical problems. Emotional health is proportional to facing truth.  Keep seeking your gut level truth. Don't let ANYONE take it from you, NOT a therapist or anyone else. If it doesn't ring true for you---anything---reject it.
 You are smart and insightful. You are not too damaged to trust yourself. You are  like a baby horse, wobbly.
 Keep sharing. I understand ,for sure!        Love   Ami
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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2009, 10:24:26 AM »
Kathy.....I have read a book.....Toxic Emotions (I think that is the title.....) I also went to a doctor who is into bioidentical hormones, etc.  She told me it was important that I blew up because to hold the stress in would probably give me cancer.  Well, guess what?  Got the cancer.  All this stress is NOT good for your body...

I am on the other side of the extreme emotions regarding my NM.  My dad always sided with my mom although I believe he loves me......just cannot stand up to NM.

Oh, to get out from under that power.  I wish I had done it years before I did.  Maybe I would not have the cancer....

My advise is to try to live life without them and their stress.  It sucks.....o, boy does it suck!!!
Kelly

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2009, 04:30:36 PM »
((((((((((((Kathy))))))))))))))))
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2009, 05:23:45 PM »
I'm going to look up that book Kelly. Thanks for the recommendation.

I'm glad to hear that your doctor told you that letting stress out was better than holding it in. Good advice from a good doctor. I have generalized anxiety disorder, and I've found that if my stress peaks, and I finally blow up, the anxiety disorder actually improves. I had a psychiatrist once who kept telling me that wasn't true, that it was all in my mind, but I DO feel better when I blow up. It must help to release hormones or Serotonin, or something that helps you feel better.

My doctor HAS warned me that too much stress could lead to cancer, or possibly Lupus (apparently people with anxiety disorders are vulnerable to Lupus). So I HAVE to get this stress out of my body, which probably means going NC with all of them. I’ve had a migraine since last night and am throwing up from the medicine. I’ve spent my whole life trying to win their love, and they’re going to end up killing me. I HAVE to put them behind me and break free.

Thanks to all of you for your continue support. It means so much to me, to come here and have other people tell me they get it. Just knowing that I'm not alone has done wonders for my outlook. You guys are the BEST.

Kathy

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2009, 05:35:35 PM »
It is actually called Deadly Emotions by Don Colbert....
Kelly

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2009, 06:42:47 PM »
Dear Kathy
 The hard part is what you are doing,now--coming out of denial. It hurts SO badly b/c we went in to denial as a survival mechanism. Perhaps, we would have died of a broken heart as children ,without denial.
 I think we could have.
 Now, the original ,suppressed pain comes back when we face the truth. It is pain combined with hopelessness, helplessness, despair, fear, abandonment, betrayal etc.
 Try to get support , as much as you can--here and in 3D if you can.
  Get people who understand. if anyone dismisses you, such as your therapist seemed to, they are not healthy for you, IME. You need to be validated right now.
 You need understanding, not people who will try to shut you down b/c THEY can't handle emotions. This is many,many people.
  I think I am getting better although don't feel so great today. Change is really hard. I think I am getting more confidence and self  esteem but that is hard too b/c it brings guilt and fear of my M's reprisal with it.
  Keep sharing((( Kathy))). I think you are great!            XXOO   Ami
 
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2009, 09:36:35 PM »
Hi Kathy,
I posted a long response to you today but got timed out...frustrating!

Boiled down, what I was saying was a series of things, the main one being that I think partly it's cultural sexism that many men breathe in unaware all their lives, to the point that although some father are really, really there for their daughters, so many times daughters sublty and gradually learn that they are second-class citizens in a family, and meanwhile, some fathers are just poleaxed with awe that they have a SON, and it's not even very conscious or intentional, it's just this whole man-son thing, even when it doesn't make sense or when the son's not all that deserving...

And it is about sexism as much as it's about the individual.

And it's very sad, and a huge waste for your father...all that intelligence and accomplishment, and he deosn't know how to value having a daughter.

I am terribly sorry. But maybe it could help a little to see it as not completely, entirely, totally personal...somewhere along the lines of his own upbringing and acculturation, your father learned that a son is a Huge Deal and a daughter is less.

It's a terribly painful thing for you, but I have a sense that maybe your father is totally clueless about why or how he keeps wronging you, he just knows you're terribly upset, and he has about zero ideas as to what to do about it, and whatever he does do doesn't work, so he's kind of thrown up his hands.

And he goes into his loony loop out of helplessness, more than cruelty.

I dunno, for sure, of course. Just a conjecture.

I hope it could ease a little of your pain a little bit to see him from a faraway perspective, as a man who was taught things, and who incorporated sexist values without even seeing that...and who doesn't really know why his daughter's unhappy, but never makes the connection.... (Because meanwhile, he can related to The Glory of Son so the diversion/satisfaction is right there-- cue organs....)

Hops
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2009, 10:51:15 PM »
That's some pretty good insight, Hops. My father was born in South Africa and lived there until he was about 20, so I've always felt that there was something in his cultural upbringing that told him the male heir was the ONLY thing that mattered. My brother actually came along later in life. They had me first, my sister 18 months later, then nine years later, the male child was born - an unexpected gift. My father was always wonderful to his two daughters until the day the MALE came out of the womb. Suddenly, S and I stopped receiving toys and ice cream cones, and 99.9% of the attention went to the child with the preferred anatomy.

F does spend a lot of time doing things with my sister, but S is as co-dependent as he is, so he doesn't have that confusion that he has with me about "issues" with my NM. Still, he knows that there have been problems with M, and he has always believed her, no matter how insane her stories were. And even if he did favor the male child (either consciously or subconsciously), that's no excuse for not flipping me a twenty dollar bill when I was homeless. Hubby said that F totally didn't get why I would feel hurt about being shut out of the will. It very well may be cultural upbringing, but it's really hard to understand anyone having three children, and thinking it's okay to throw one of them under the bus because his wife told him to.

I dunno. I think a lot of it IS cultural, and that he genuinely is confused about it, but at the same time, the hurt runs so deep that I can no longer stop it from affecting my health. I just ordered the book that Kelly recommended, and am looking forward to reading that. I think that will help me a lot, to understand the stress/wellness connection better, and hopefully start feeling better physically. Maybe I'll be able to see things differently if/when I can be fit and healthy again. Right now I'm such a mess. Between the anxiety disorder, chronic migraines, and now new stress-related symptoms, I have to find a way to heal myself, and I really think that I have to put the entire family behind me until I get to that point.

Ami summed it up really well about this being the hardest part - coming out of denial, and learning to survive in sort of a new life. My N mother won't be around much longer, and the entire family dynamic will change when she's gone. For better or worse, I don't know. But things ARE going to change, for sure.

Kathy
« Last Edit: August 03, 2009, 11:03:32 PM by JustKathy »

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2009, 11:31:50 PM »
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it's really hard to understand anyone having three children, and thinking it's okay to throw one of them under the bus because his wife told him to.

No kidding. Would have been mighty nice to have had a father strong enough to say NO to his Nwife, and really stand up for you.

I understand the hurt. It's devastating...and primal.

You will heal. You will get stronger and eventually be able to sit with "it is what it is" without being sick.

I applaud your decision to get away from them and take care of yourself now. You don't deserve to suffer this way.

Hops
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2009, 12:38:30 AM »
Kathy..... it would be nice if your relationship with your sister could be about something other than your parents and brother.

If you can't find other things between you..... maybe she has to go the way of the others?

About your choice to step back and away from your FOO......

probably for the best.

(((Kathy)))

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2009, 03:33:36 AM »
Dear Kathy
 My F was born here and is  still the same. For me, it was important not to give him excuses b/c that is what I WANTED to do. I wanted  some explanation that would make it warmer than he threw me under the bus.However, THAT is what I had been doing all these years ,trying to find some explanation,and getting re-abused over and over.
 Alice Miller talks about the child giving his life so not to face the truth of the parents. I did that. I almost died rather than face that my parents really didn't care about me i.e didn't love me.
 Facing it is horrible BUT is the path to true freedom.
  God has sent me angels in the form of people who love me . I have a few people in my life who God seems to have touched their heart for me. They seem to love me in a way that I don't understand but I am healing with it.
 I bet that   can(or has) happened for you.   
                XOO  Ami
« Last Edit: August 04, 2009, 08:51:16 AM by Ami »
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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