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seastorm

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Hording
« on: April 13, 2010, 01:33:50 PM »
Boy! That show about hording really got to me. I started throwing things out and realizing that I am just about ready to get into the category of a serious horder. All this stuff has sentimental meaning or might be valuable in the future. So I hired someone to help me get rid of stuff. The hording got really serious while living with my N. I realize it was passive aggressiveness as he hated it.

I found that site that Hops mentioned really helpful. I have horded saris and East Indian fabric for making lampshades and hats, Books on antiques and art, books on narcissism and psycho killers, videos and picture frames, clothes for making hats.Cupboards for .......
doors and windows for renovating. Paint.......
It is like hanging on to something when there is nothing else or no one else to hang onto.

I would be interested in hearing from other horders. I bet there are lots of them.


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Re: Hording
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 01:48:57 PM »
Hi Seastorm,
I'm glad you've started this topic. Anything from overwhelming clutter to massive disorganization to hoarding itself (my inner editor has to point out the spelling, forgive, in case you want to edit the title) -- this thread could be such a help.

I also have noted that since beginning my ADD medication, this whole thing, although the piles have re-piled (and I won't get to it until a deadine's done) ... anyway, the whole thing is LESS overwhelming.

At one point I hired a woman from my church who works as a professional organizer, and only after she left did I notice that her business card also said, "specialty in working with ADD adults." It still took another couple years for me to want to face up to that one. But I'm glad I did.

I don't think that's what's behind every person's struggle with this. Everybody's different. But hoarding can be small scale or full-tilt worthy of reality TV. It's a great topic, and thank you.

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Re: Hording
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 10:26:33 PM »
Seastorm,
Thanks for the topic. 

I feel like I am such a conglomeration of Nmom and enabling dad.  NM is a compulsive shopper but discards things, even those with emotional connection, at a moment's notice (Sis was visiting one day and found mom and dad's yearbooks - from 1954 - in the trash).  Enabling dad (who had an NM) saves, hoards.  I am more like dad, afraid to throw anything out should I regret it in the future.

I am overwhelmed right now with clutter.  And am trying to figure out if I am ADD, if I have issues from FOO, if I am depressed, or am I just plain tired.  Tired of having to do it all on my own.  I think that if I had someone to help me (like carry the heavy stuff, climb the ladder to change the light bulbs, take the car for an oil change while I scrub the floors), I would be more organized.

But I know I do become attached to things.  So I don't throw out the desk that my dad made in high school, the stapler that my friend who died had, the coat that my daughter wore 20 years ago. 

I am tired.  But I also have these other things going on.  If I had the money I would have someone come in and help me.
Seastorm, you may have hit a point.  Hang on to stuff because there is no one else to hang on to.


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Re: Hording
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 09:38:27 AM »
Hi Sea...

Some of the items in your list struck a corresponding list in me. I am usually the one complaining about hubby's clutter... toys he's bought to play with "someday"... the piles of magazines that feed his dreams...

The truth is, that I have my own sacrosanct items like your saris and fabric. Canvas, brushes, the easel I've moved many times since 1980... old litho plates - even cans of etching ground that can't possibly be any good. And of course, art books, which I can't bear to part with (though I did do a heavy sort while packing to move, the last time). Part of me hasn't let go of the desire to make things; to see myself as a "maker" - an artist; despite not having seriously worked at it (though I played at it a bit at the beginning of my healing journey in some pencil drawings) for many years. I used to think that I was "blocked" from working and told myself (rationalization) that I'd return to it when I retired; now I'm not so sure.

It's more like I'm stubbornly refusing to work; selfishly - denying the rest of myself - the pleasure of the tactile, sensory and meditative space of the artistic "zone". And the items that I've kept (or re-collected) for that kind of work are like some tantalizing "carrot" that I dangle in front of "me"... teasing myself about how much fun it is - how not "serious" or "important" it is - to make things. The gist of it, is that I don't feel "worthy" to actually do that kind of creative work anymore. I think that my time to be taken seriously as an artist has passed me by; that the "rules" of the "game" now make it impossible for me to make a career for myself in that world. Pish-Posh! Rationalization! A way to avoid "looking like I don't know who I am" and "pretending to be an artist" - and to avoid rejection, criticism, taking risks... that's what it is. But that's another topic altogether.

Another observation, on the value - nonvalue of things we keep over the years:

MIL's trunk of handmade baby clothes... that represent that special time when her adult children were babies; the love that each stitch represents... the wedding dress she wore in the 50's... she was wondering whether to move these, give them away... and I wouldn't let her. I told her that these things were part of who she IS. It was an intense emotional moment for me... so I was totally winging it... but in that moment, I felt there was some real truth in what I said. Mystery, too - because I can't rationally explain what I meant by that or how it would make sense.

At the other end of the scale, is my Nmom - a classic hoarder for many years. Her "things" were much more important to her than her relationships with other people. The things substituted for the people themselves; her relationships were with the things, instead. Wanna make her have a breakdown?? Just pack up and move her "things"... Currently, she is trying move out, sell, or give away that mountain (literally) of stuff that she simply couldn't part with when she moved in with my brother - over 10 years ago. But she doesn't, really - she simply re-arranges the things. I've been getting the sense that in some way this mountain of stuff represents, stands in for a whole mountain of emotional stuff that she's still in denial about - and can't/won't deal with. She tried to "push" or project it all on me - and I don't think I'm the only one, anymore; she does this with others, too.

This only sounds like a digression - but, back in art school, I painted a plywood cutout self-portrait and made an easel for it, so it appeared I was sitting indian fashion on the floor. I gave it to her and she still has it - eerily symbolic, isn't it?
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Re: Hording
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 11:08:00 AM »
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(my inner editor has to point out the spelling, forgive, in case you want to edit the title)

Hording is what Genghis Khan and company used to do, right?  :D

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Re: Hording
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 04:14:03 PM »
Hordes of them!

Pillage and plunder too (or maybe they were helping the villagers declutter).

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seastorm

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Re: Hording
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 08:01:42 PM »
Yes Genghis was excellent at dehording. With his hords he got rid of millions of people and history, books, art and all that.

I am definitely talking  about hoarding.


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Re: Hording
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 10:15:44 PM »
Hording and hoarding gave me a giggle.  Thanks, I needed it. :)

Right now I would welcome Genghis in to my apt to pillage and plunder away.  He can have it all, just get rid of it all! 

I was diagnosed with ADD at 19.  Took meds for years and they did help alot.  I think I was too depressed at the time to do much with my newfound focus though.  Haven't taken meds for years now and I definitely can tell a difference.  The calender on my cell phone is my lifeline.  It's the only way I keep it together.  Barely then too. 

Maybe somebody should start a house decluttering business named Kahn's Hoard No More? 

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Re: Hording
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 12:06:50 AM »
I think that hoarding is a problem but one needs to jettison as well. These are people, ideas, and another category of stuff that needs to be gotten rid of. Just jettison them. Usually this is a mind control thing. For instance if someone is particularly toxic and sort of slimes you psychologically, you dont waste time worrying about it, or mulling it over, you jettison them out of you mind pronto.

I think there may be a fear of talking about hoarding. Sort of a devil may care attitude. I think i am catching it. Who cares anyhow? Hoard away. You cant blame the poor hoarder, it is a very tough and crazy world out there. If hoarding a house full of nick nacks gets you through  and the pest exterminators aren't on your case, well then go right ahead.

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