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mudpuppy

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Re: Narcissists climb the corporate ladder...
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2010, 04:59:48 PM »
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I think it is wrong to compare this spill to the one in Mexico, why? Because our coastline is not one of pretty beaches, it is made up of marshy estuaries that literally hold the spawning areas for much of the marine life  in the gulf.

Campeche Bay where Ixtoc 1 blew out is itself only 170 feet deep at it's deepest point and is in effect one large breeding ground. Below is another link detailing not only how fast the shrimp, fish and crab populations recovered but also mentioning the large natural petroleum seeps in the gulf. The numbers concerning these seeps that I quoted were from academic studies not industry sources. I couldn't find the original article but the prof in this article confirms the numbers and is not an industry source.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2011931961_ixtoc23.html

Disasters don't make facts superfluous. Nor do they render emotions superior to fact based analysis as a means of assessing effects and, consequently, responses.

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Re: Narcissists climb the corporate ladder...
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2010, 06:32:23 PM »
Again, lots of differences here Mud.

1. The sun was a major factor here and does not affect the oil at the depths we are talking about where it can remain in the food chain for decades. Every time a hurricane enters the gulf the sea bed is churned.
 
2. The BAY of Campeche is also a  shallow bay with sandy beaches...not the open gulf and marsh lands where the soil holds the oil.

3. I wonder what the effect of despersants will be on those organisms that normally eat oil. It seems to be making the fishermen pretty sick!

4. Even in  your article the return of the seafood was not without issue...."I found shrimp with tumor formations in the tissue, and crabs without the pincers. These were very serious effects," Soto said.    Bon Apetit....  Time will tell!  I won't be eating gulf seafood any time soon, probably not in my lifetime.

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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2010, 08:02:54 PM »
I am sorry that I do not have the links and information to support  my comment.  I tried to find them from my research four years ago but could not.  So my comment is purely from memory. Take it or leave it.

Petroleum products have been found to affect the reproductive system.  Male frogs living in an area that experienced oil leakage had a decline in their ability to reproduce.  I'm still looking for the research site that stated this.  Sorry for the lack of info.

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mudpuppy

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Re: Narcissists climb the corporate ladder...
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2010, 08:10:00 PM »
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1. The sun was a major factor here and does not affect the oil at the depths we are talking about where it can remain in the food chain for decades. Every time a hurricane enters the gulf the sea bed is churned.


The oil at depth is apparently very dilute and most likely most of it will be carried out to the central Atlantic.

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2. The BAY of Campeche is also a  shallow bay with sandy beaches...not the open gulf and marsh lands where the soil holds the oil.


As one of the other links pointed out organics devour or overgrow most of the oil that comes inland and I believe it is more readily consumed or covered in a more organically active estuary than on a sandy beach.

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3. I wonder what the effect of despersants will be on those organisms that normally eat oil. It seems to be making the fishermen pretty sick!

Don't know. Good question.


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4. Even in  your article the return of the seafood was not without issue...."I found shrimp with tumor formations in the tissue, and crabs without the pincers. These were very serious effects," Soto said.    Bon Apetit....  Time will tell!  I won't be eating gulf seafood any time soon, probably not in my lifetime.

I took him to be saying that occurred in the first year and by the second those effects had largely dissipated.

There's no doubt this is an awful thing, but I think there's hope and evidence that the impact might be less than feared, especially long term.
Let's hope so.
Anyway, I'm glad we could disagree peacefully. :D

mud

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Re: Narcissists climb the corporate ladder...
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2010, 12:25:04 PM »
Mud and all
I respect your right to believe what you like. We do disagree well.. unlike our family of origin!!.

I'm worried about long term issues like cancer and know it is in the best interest of BP and other other oil companies to downplay that.

If you are worried about the lingering effects of oil pollution on or off land I suggest that you take a moment to view the following trailer and see the film if it interests you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTnm01lWsTg

Also read this article about Mexican oil spill...It is long but very informative.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37514348/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf/
« Last Edit: June 23, 2010, 03:32:24 PM by Sealynx »

mudpuppy

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Re: Narcissists climb the corporate ladder...
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2010, 11:06:25 AM »
I read this article;
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,2007202,00.html
and thought of this thread.
Still don't know the long term consequences of course, but this is pretty encouraging so far.

mud