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bearwithme

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Re: NC and Losing
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2011, 01:47:48 AM »
I came to reread these posts today because I needed the help.  Sfalken: I can't get over that you have not one but two N's for parents, I couldn't fathom such a hell.  My father was not an N but became voiceless himself under my Nmom's rage and angry explosions on a daily basis.

Basically,  I need to hear (read) these words often and I think everyone here has shared such strong emotions, truths and experience.  It's amazing how well versed we all are in this subject and have the problem down pat from hurt and anger to changing our lives for the better no matter how difficult and strange it feels.

I remain hurt and angry today.  Maybe tomorrow I'll be happy and not think about it.  Some days are so bad and I hate them.  Sometimes, out of the blue, my heart drops to my toes when I think of my Nmom missing the baby and it will be almost a year since she's seen her only grandchild.  Sometimes I just grieve and that hurts, too.

All of this is necessary.  I get it.

Thanks all for being here for me to rehash, etc...

Bear

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Re: NC and Losing
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2011, 02:53:16 AM »
Bear, hang in there.

I cope with bad days better now because I know they are just that - moments in time that will pass.  There are things that ease bad days for me - long walks, trips to the park, comedy films, curling up in bed with a good book, endless cups of tea and some chocolate biscuits.  Do you ever go to the cinema with your little one?  I've just started doing this with my son and I love it, such a great escape, hidden away from the world watching films about fairy tales or talking gnomes or whatever is on at the time.

Good days I treasure all the more because the bad days make them seem shinier, you know?  I look at my mum and I see her on the same path as me.  She grew up in a difficult home, just like me, with parents who didn't do a great job and who made her feel worthless, useless, lazy and ugly.  She had bad relationships, which made her problems worse, she struggled financially and so on.  She got to a point where she had to choose between facing all of that - all the pain, the hurt, the betrayal, the abandonment - and working through it - mostly on her own - and ignoring it, burying the pain deeper, drinking more to blot it out.  Short term, she made choices that eased her pain.  But she lost herself, her children and her grandchildren along the way.

The way I see it is that I learnt from her mistakes.  I took the painful path!  I stopped being around them and started working on myself.  It's been four years now.  I sooooo understand where you are now.  Anniversaries are hard, birthdays are hard, Christmas and so on.  But you're building a future for yourself that will feature your child (children, maybe), good friends, a healthy sense of self, an awareness of who you are and what you want.  It's harder, in the short term, than burying it and pretending, but long term I think it must be worth it's weight in gold.  You're making sure your child won't have to deal with this when they are raising a family; they'll be able to concentrate on their children because you did all this hard, hard work for them now.

I have more good days than bad now.  I'm finding my emotions come to the surface more readily than they used to and, perhaps more importantly, I understand them and can work with them more easily than I used to.  There's a lot of old stuff coming up at the minute and some days I just howl, it hurts so much.  But once the pain subsides it somehow feels a little bit better, a little bit cleaner?  I don't know how to describe it.  But it feels like it's worth it.  I feel like I'm growing into myself, more and more.

I feel sorry for my mum more than I feel angry at her these days.  That empathy for her used to be my downfall, it's what made me keep going back because I could see how messed up she was and I wanted her to get better.  But eventually I realised that she had to make those changes, not me.

Your mum could have made some effort to resolve the situation, Bear.  If she really wanted to see your daughter she could have called or written to you and asked if you could talk, make some arrangement, made some sort of gesture that she wanted to work on the situation properly, like an adult.  I don't think she's done that?  Not in a way that makes you comfortable.  Which kind of shows you're doing the right thing, even though it doesn't always feel like it.

Hang in there.  It does get better over time.

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Re: NC and Losing
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2011, 11:51:20 AM »
((((((((Bear))))))))))))

just some comfort,
don't have adequate words for mothers and daughters today.

I see your pain and your bravery and I hope this wave soon passes.

love,

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Re: NC and Losing
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2011, 07:38:56 AM »
Bear -

Accountability...


instead of justice or responsibility. I know it's semantics... but it might help. To be responsible for one's actions one must first be self-aware; aware of how we impact others. The abusive in this world aren't self-aware like that.

This is my explanation for why there are no apologies... no admission of wrongs... it's as if they have no concept of how their behavior and words affects others... even to the point of violence.

I've found myself "hooked" into the circling mind-games even without contact with my mom... because I wanted to explain her in some way that made sense... I've wanted to excuse her for being mentally ill... I've wanted some cosmic sheriff to show up & take her into parent-court and present all the evidence of the injustices she forced on me... and I've wanted it to be possible to at least like her... and maybe some day forgive her.

And it wasn't until I began to realize this wasn't going to happen... and none of it worked for me... the ever-present circling around the topic in my mind was almost self-abuse, I realized one day... once I saw that, I began to understand what people mean by "let it go"...

... if I just stopped thinking about it and thought about other things; let myself feel other things; notice what is going on around me and participate in it... some of the old pain, hurt, and endless beating head on brick wall thoughts - lessened. Quieted down to a "dull roar"... moved far enough away that I could start to have whole days when I didn't even think about it...

and I started to realize I had to figure out who I am - with that much freedom (something new to focus on)...

and that this made more sense, was more practical than trying to solve the old unsolvable riddle of my mom...

and as long I was angry, seeking justice, or even hurt and feeling abandoned... I was still making my whole existence ABOUT HER... and not working on me.

And that was something I could really do something about, ya know?
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bearwithme

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Re: NC and Losing
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2011, 01:40:03 AM »
You're all beautiful.  I'm in tears.  Phoenix: you are spot on with "Accountability."  I get this.  I need to work through it and find it.  Hops:  I needed the hug.....always.

Much needed words today.

Thank you.

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She grew up in a difficult home, just like me, with parents who didn't do a great job and who made her feel worthless, useless, lazy and ugly.  She had bad relationships, which made her problems worse, she struggled financially and so on.  She got to a point where she had to choose between facing all of that - all the pain, the hurt, the betrayal, the abandonment - and working through it - mostly on her own - and ignoring it, burying the pain deeper, drinking more to blot it out.  Short term, she made choices that eased her pain.  But she lost herself, her children and her grandchildren along the way.


This moved me to a place I hadn't gone for a while.  My headshaking hasn't stopped...."who made her feel worthless, useless, lazy and ugly..."  I have no words.

I'm better tonight because of this deep depressing reality. Somehow, somewhere, I feel okay because I know my suffering is right and real because of this board...and the fact you all can say these things and KNOW what the heck I'm talking about, where in my life outside this board, no one else gets it whatsoever.

Bear. 

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Re: NC and Losing
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2011, 07:25:26 AM »
((((((((((((BEAR))))))))))))))


It hurts to pull that band-aid off... it hurts like hell, yes! But you also will let sunshine and fresh air in, now to finally heal that stubborn, oozy, wound. That will still take more time... and you'll still ponder and question and puzzle over things; you may even still blame... as you begin to do and think different things. IT'S OK... there's no "right" way - only your way of walking the healing path.

Don't be a stranger, while you're processing next steps, OK? I found I really needed to have the feedback of everyone here... I really needed another human being to reassure me that I wasn't horrible for thinking and feeling what I felt. Still do!  :D  Maybe I was "needier" than a lot of people, I don't know... but we are what - where - who we are... at this stage and the most essential thing needed is to know that you're heard, understood, and you're not bat-shit crazy...

It'll be all right, Bear...
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