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river

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horrific corruption
« on: July 19, 2011, 07:55:09 PM »
hi,
I felt I needed to say something about whats been happening on these shores.   Its not just the corruption and irresponsibility of journalists, but now the main witness has 'mysteriously' died, and the press say the circumstance 'unnexplained but not suspicious'.  How can they not be suspicious when he takes to the grave with him most of the evidence?   the press are continuing to behave in the same corrupt way at the same time as others of them are 'apologising' for corruption.  

And Murdoch and co are refusing to take responsibility - 'the company is too big' is = to saying I was greedy enough to make the company too big for me to take responsibility for what goes on in it, I put ambition before my responsibilty,  so its not my fault.  

Any one have more thoughts about this?   Am I getting it wrong?  or over simplifying?  

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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 10:57:37 AM »
Hi River

How can they not be suspicious when he takes to the grave with him most of the evidence?

- not suspicious of his cause of death because the circumstances clearly point to (1) illness, heart attack etc or (2) suicide, or (3) stuff I haven't thought of. Just my conjecture. I reckon (2) but I have no idea. I don't reckon corporate sanctioned murder because that would be too damn obvious. Forced suicide maybe? Who knows.

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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 11:05:10 AM »
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I don't reckon corporate sanctioned murder because that would be too damn obvious. Forced suicide maybe? Who knows.

 

thanks for answering, this is whats troubling me maybe thear ARE being that blatent.  there has been similar things Jimmy Hendrix, Dr Kelly, Lady Di.   

the toxicology tests - if they show that there was lots of stuff in him, how do they know who put it there?  will anyone envestigate given he's not pretty like Milly Dowler?   

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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2011, 12:04:18 PM »
given he's not pretty like Milly Dowler -

How do you feel about the McCann's best-selling book?  and so on.

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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2011, 02:51:26 PM »
Well, yes, and so on.   But in that case its known that whatever happened to Maddie was done by a recognised criminal.  If Sean was murdered - as he had the evidence, was the first whistle blower, and if its not recognised then the disturbing part is the sanctionedness of it, and the failure to react. 

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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2011, 05:30:04 PM »
I know what you mean River. It may be recognised (it will be by some) and we may discover something (as media consumers) or we may not. But there are people who know much more than we do and some of them will be journalists. Some of them may even be good journalists? I'd wait for the coroner's report for now.

I have sometimes wondered if I could get a job exposing something or other, undercover for a newspaper perhaps. But it would probably be written all over my face at interview. And generally I haven't done great in interviews anyway.

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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2011, 11:32:34 AM »
I think you'd be good.  In this case its about exposing the exposers, so to speak.  
I'd imaging that theres lots of X people, or those who've recognised the N behaviour have become good at sensing dodgy stuff in other places too.  

I read some more about him since.   He really was ill, apparently jaundiced too from alcohol I presume.   But far as I know, in this condition, one doesnt die suddenly like that, you get iller and die slowly.   The article also said that he was 'paranoid' and feared someone was going 'to get him'.  Which to me, indicates that he did have an idea he was in danger, but didnt believe it enough, or didnt have the self-esteem to ask for help and take protectionary measures.  Oh, maybe I'm just upset and cooking this all up..... yet I dont think so. These days life has taught me to trust my instincts and that sometimes things ARE as bad as they seem.  

Thanks for hanging in here with me Guest.  

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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2011, 08:42:20 AM »
I've been reading about what's been going on in the UK from this side of the Atlantic.  It kind of raised the question for me:  "Is this Britain's version of Watergate?"  It's beginning to feel like it.  You thoughts?
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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 12:41:36 PM »
We'll see how far it goes Bones, in terms of who's willing to get the information out, tell on their mates to save their own skins etc. It certainly stinks so far.

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Re: horrific corruption
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 01:05:51 PM »
From what I can see, Im afraid it seems that we've been full of corruption, this isnt the first.  Its kind of indigenous in the culture.  For example, the cutlure in journalism is: 'do whatever you need to get a story', Rebecca ~Brooks is quoted as saying "I like him, he'd turn over his own grandmother....."  ie to get a story.   So, with that kind of psychological pressure, eventually people buckle.   And someone like Sean Hoare who had decency and courage challenges this, and now he's dead, died suddenly.  True, he was ill, but still, its too suspicious.  
(I've been having rescue fantasies).  
Theres more to this story, and it gets, well perhaps not worse, but equally bad.  Dead soldiers from the war had thier phones hacked into.  A young girl who was murdered - Millie Dowler had her phone hacked into by the paper, as a result the police thought she was still alive because messages had been opened, and they didnt investigate,  the killer went on to kill again.
As I see it, its the N principle of ruthlessness to get whatever meets thier ends, others are intimidated by the hierarchy and comply, and the end result is horrible ~ lives are lost.  Looking at Rebecca Brooks with her flaming locks and pretty face, and her high exec position, rubbing shoulders with the powerful including the primeminister ~ I dont have too many doubts about what character type she has.  It not just the perverse abuser behind closed doors, society is freqeuntly run by these types, they are sophisticated, "the devil comes dressed in his best clothes".  
A hopeful not to end on??  The suns shining finally, theres a crow crowing behind a tree out back, and Im glad to have been able to share my worried thoughts with you other members of the human race.