Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board
Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: Betelgeuse on April 23, 2008, 06:03:22 AM
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Dear all,
After a first series of postings I've fallen silent again and may have been forgotten by most of you. It's not what I wanted, I appreciated (and still appreciate) the thoughtfulness, insight and kindness of most members here.
I intended to post my story and share some of the difficulties I have to face in my life.
But something held me back, a growing sense of unreality.
I soon realised some members are not what and who they purport to be. Specifically, I noticed how a few posters seemed to be branches from the same tree, using similar word patterns (I'm a linguist) and following a similar modus operandi. Leah, Gabben and Lupita are one and the same person, I've no doubt about it. Gabben at one point added, then removed a picture very similar to Leah's, and Lupita's command of English is not consistent with being a Spanish-speaker.
I'm sure others have noticed this, especially since Gabben-Leah-Lupita (GLL) often reveal themselves as one person, hiding and showing at the same time.
Well, I decided I wouldn't let this bother me. Someone might have reasons to scatter themselves, who knows? It might even be an Art or Social Science project to create and maintain several personae. I often had a good laugh at some really OTT posts. So I decided not to worry about it, but check up on some back threads. Well... I discovered the same tree had sprouted other branches in the past, vindictive ones, such as ReallyMe who has been asked to leave, I believe.
THEN there was Ami...
I felt deep concern and sympathy for her. It's an unspeakable tragedy to lose one's child to suicide. I was a bit surprised she went back to posting about her mother so quickly after the event, but everybody is entitled to their own grief process. I said as much to her when, two weeks after Scott's suicide, she announced having found the love of her life. But I did wonder a bit, especially since there was a 'flatness' about her, and a quite remarkable contrast between her 'rambling' style and some really astute remarks. Very little reminiscing about Scott, hardly any mention of her surviving son. Shortly after the suicide she told us that Scott had killed himself with a gun he had picked up at her house that same day. Yet no or hardly any manifestation of guilt, not even when she said there had been talk in the family of a possible suicide before the event. Hmm...
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Sorry, that accidentally got sent off before I'd finished.
Ami just doesn't seem real to me. She shares quite a few speech patterns with Gabben, I think they are one and the same person.
Does it matter? YES, it does! A few Stepford wives don't fundamentally alter a community, but if and when they take over a major part of the interactions, 'real' people with 'real' stories will get confused and lost in some twilight zone.
I don't know why anyone would want to create all these (and more) identities. It can't be for healing... I don't think we're dealing with a student prank either, the person is far too mature for that. I rather think the GALL person is an intelligent, middle-aged woman with time on her hands and a penchant for social engineering. Rather like Mary Shelly's recently discovered friend, a writer who published under a great variety of male names, falsified her ID (with Mary Shelly's help) so she could pass for a man, marry her gf and go off to live in France.
Well...
I can't be the only person thinking along these lines. Ye 'language people', Hops, Gratitude, what say you???
Bee
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I don't have the same feeling about there being multiple identities from one keyboard, Betelgeuse...each person has always struck me as distinct. (Or when they weren't, Guest efforts were clumsy enough that Doc G twigged to it and sorted things out.)
Anyway, even if you were right, it's unprovable. Maybe it's partly a sense of strangeness that can come over one, almost like paranoia, when one is in cyberspace. A sense of, "I don't know you." It's almost easier to have that experience in cyberspace that it is to acknowlege it in the 3D world, when we're confronted with the "strangerness" of others or of ourselves, in moments where we're "outside".
Here, that might happen when affect is inexplicable, or various syndromes seem to be showing themselves, or when the written voice doesn't add up to someone we can easily visualize.
I majored in French Linguistics (was terrible at it). I remember that once we deconstructed language to a certain point, phrases fell apart for me. It was though instead of speech, words became math.
Do you think anything like that could be happening for you? And do you ever have suspicions about people in 3-D life?
This sure will stir up a cycle of fears and anxiety here, if previous cycles of it are any guide. But I guess you have a right to voice your unease.
Maybe the very best thing to do, Bg, would be to examine for yourself, the FEELINGS that surround your posts, rather than the objects/invidual/s you've ascribed the cause of them to.
What is it, about unease? Trust? Fear? Suspicion? Can you identify other times in your life that this may have surfaced? Has it always proved out?
Things like that...I would be glad to listen to. Speculations about identities here seem like a dead end to me.
best,
Hops
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b g-If that is the case I will have been duped. I know Dr G knows if someone is posting from the same computer and has called people on it before. We also have discussed where we are from. I have had conversations with people in PM Land and their persona stays in tact. If you are right then I will be surprised over the top!
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Hiya Hops,
Thank you for your long reply (on the follow-up thread). You asked a few legitimate questions, which I'll try to answer as best I can.
I don't think I'm a paranoid person, in fact, in 3D I've sometimes regretted trusting people too far too soon. Occasionally I've had 'hunches' which I chose to ignore, much to my detriment. So I've become a little more wary, though not to the point of fundamentally changing my life-style (quite a few people have a set of keys to my house).
I'm not used to cyber-interactions, I only started looking for groups in the past year (after a difficult life crisis). This board, as I said, felt good, until a measure of unreality crept in. My BS-detector went on alert, hence these posts. Of course, I may be mistaken, but I don't think so. I wanted to explain my discomfort and warn others.
I understand that for your part, the subject is not relevant.
A la prochaine,
Bee
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Hi, Bee,
No, you're not the only one thinking along these lines.
I think that what you're sensing is not paranoia at all, but a very real phenomenon which is quite common across the web.
However, I do not think that it's necessarily a masquerade of the sort you've described.
Constant, prolonged exposure to certain input can create a form of brainwashing, in my experience.
For instance, if I sit around all day long and think about myself and my problems, or even read and think about others and their deep distresses, I know that I'm impressionable enough to take on some of that aura... and maybe even some of the mannerisms/style of the other folks involved. I know this because it's actually happened to me, before I developed a strong enough sense of who I am to sit back and say, "Whoa!"
MY BS'ometer has sounded off plenty around here... and sometimes it has been very, very accurate. For that reason, I've found it vital to practice being as thoroughly real within my 3D surroundings as possible. In that way, I believe we develop an insulation, of sorts, to the online baloney which can really twist your gut if not prepared for it.
Regards,
Carolyn
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I understand, Bee...
"Unreality" is a significant word, I do recognize that feeling in myself here at times, and I may be in denial. I'll never know.
I guess I have to take everyone at face value.
For me, a bigger revelation has been "believe what people tell you about themselves" rather than "find out what people are not telling you." That's applied most often to the Nish people in my life. In hindsight, there were always cues I rationalized or empathized away.
In some way, I think evidence is almost always present, but I've learned/been socialized to overlook my own intuition. I'm often seduced by the verbal and my discernment sucks.
Still, my assumption is to assume the best I can about everybody. I'd do better sometimes to entertain more doubts, and the more I become anchored in a positive vision of myself, and less dependent on a positive certainty about others, the better off I'll be.
I hope you find a way to stay and benefit from the board, doubts and all.
Hops
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Dear Bea,
I am not going to talk about me b/c it does not deserve a response. I want to say that Gabben IS Gabben. She is a real person, working bravely on her issues.
Ami
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Bee....
Very brave of you to speak your peace.
As for the board.....
I find a much improved posting experience when I limit the posts I read.
If I can't emotionally connect with a poster or find it a negative experience (in any way) to read their posts.....
I simply skip them.
Light
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Yet no or hardly any manifestation of guilt, not even when she said there had been talk in the family of a possible suicide before the event. Hmm...
It's clear that you are insinuating something here but I can't figure out what. Either you are suggesting that Scott did NOT commit suicide or that something is wrong with Ami because of her response or something else entirely. If it is the former then you are wrong, there are articles on the internet reporting his death. If the latter then it is simply because you have no idea about the huge range of responses of people to severe, destabilizing devastation. If you knew anything about how families respond to suicide you would not question her response. When pain is so horrendous you don't function in predictable, rational ways.
Yet no or hardly any manifestation of guilt, What are you looking for here? Why does she have to manifest guilt for you or for you to see? That does not make sense to me.
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GS, this first post was inadvertedly sent off before it was finished. You'll find the rest of it in the second thread with the same title.
Let's just say I notice things. That's what I do.
I wanted to share my perceptions because they have kept me silent and because I felt they might be of use to others.
I'll leave it at that.
Bee
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Carolyn, I like your use of italics..:)
You and Light have given me some good advice here. Thank you
Bee
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I don't have the same feeling about there being multiple identities from one keyboard, Betelgeuse...each person has always struck me as distinct. (Or when they weren't, Guest efforts were clumsy enough that Doc G twigged to it and sorted things out.)
Thank you Hops -- I know that you and I don't always mesh well but I do appreciate you.
As you can tell, I'm not about smooching up to people to gain popularity....I just want to be real and I really am Gabben and Ami is really Ami.
I'm wondering who Betelgeuse is?
Lise
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If you and I are one person ,Lise, it is interesting how one person can talk over the phone long distance ,to themselves(LOL) Ami
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If you and I are one person ,Lise, it is interesting how one person can talk over the phone long distance ,to themselves(LOL) Ami
Interesting....yes. (((((((((((Ami)))))))))))
I need a hug....I come online this morning -- what toxic wasteland!!!!!!!!!!
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((((((((((Lise)))))))))))))))
You don't have to let anyone get '"inside" ' you! Love Ami
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Yet no or hardly any manifestation of guilt, not even when she said there had been talk in the family of a possible suicide before the event. Hmm...
Perhaps you have not read ALL of Ami's threads or spoke with her in person?
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Gabben does not like me, never did, and most likely, never will. But, that is her free will choice, brought about initially by an innocent posting on my part, that created a trigger. Of which, I knew nothing about triggers and such, at that time.
Dr Richard Grossman has already posted onto the board and more or less confirmed my identity, as being singular.
Actually, Leah -- I do like you, please let me speak for myself. The behavior from you has not always been stellar... I have eyes. Perhaps you should review your "taking ownership....of " thread:
http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3//index.php?topic=6841.0
Dr. G never confirmed your ID as singular he just confirmed that you were not certain posters at certain times.
Leah, believe it or not, I pray for you with tenderness and care.
Lise
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You know, Bee, if you have never lost your son to suicide and gone in to shock, you really have nothing to comment on and are just showing boorish behavior and ignorance. Ami
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(((((((Leah & Ami)))))))
Kate
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(((((((Leah & Ami)))))))
Kate
Thank you, dear ((((( Kate )))))
I feel physically sick, to be honest.
Leah x
PS. for readers of this thread... some info......
there is a 'spin off' thread called Smoke and Mirrors II http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3//index.php?topic=7658.0 (http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3//index.php?topic=7658.0)
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((((((((((((((((((ME, Ami, and Leah))))))))))))))))))))
I do not strive to leave people out (exclusion) -- it can send a subtle hurtful message to people.
Lise
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I am not you Gabben, I am me, Leah.
I'm gald that you are straight on this point, that makes two of us.
I never had an issue with you Lise, I was supportive to you from the moment you joined.
Are you capable of being honest with yourself?
I made ONE mistake with a posting to your thread -- one mistake, that's all it was.
Ok, all forgiven.
Afterward, I stood up for myself, as in truth, I never did anything to hurt you, or indeed, anyone. I have never ever deliberately hurt anyone, in my life, and God knows that is the truth.
When you die I will gladly petition Rome on behalf of your sainthood cause.
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Don't ever remember one single occasion of my mother saying that word. never thought of that, till now.
Leah x
Dear Leah,
I'm sorry to hear this...you deserve better and you certainly deserve better than the way I have from time to time treated you here on the board. I'm still learing and growing -- loving my enemies is not a complete strength for me yet.
It was never my intention to hurt you either yet I felt the need to defend myself because I felt that you were following me around on the board for a while. Just when I would post a thread about my pain and struggles you would followup almost immediately with a thread about some subject in contradiction to me, knowing full well I am right here, reading. It was mild abuse by proxy or ambient abuse... I was not the only one who saw it going on and questioned it.
Just like last week, Izzy brought up my "Being Envied" thread...then, the same day, you brought up your envy thread...I was about to bring up your hyper-competitive thread but I realized that perhaps you were just trying to give Izzy as much thoughtful information as possible. I gave you the benefit of the doubt just the way I gave N-Saint the benefit of the doubt for a long time too, despite my gut....but oh well.
N saint has taught me a lot. For everything she has taken I have been given a gift back in terms of healing and growth.
Leah -- I do not want to fight with you...never have...I'm just trying to stand up for myself....I think you can understand.
You know the beatitudes....people that are righteous tend to be hated...I am hated here... I'm OK with that because I am OK with me.
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Actually, honestly, I am absolutely sick and tired of all this, truly I am.
Something I would like to mention, is that in actual fact, Dr Richard Grossman knows my real life identity as a person.
Because, naively, when I joined the board in January 2007
as I have said so many times, this is the first board that I joined as a member (yes, the first active forum/board membership)
and so, I naively, entered my one and only email address, which is made up of my actual name, of course.
When Jacmac was slaughtering me, and bearing in mind, I was only a new member (back in Spring 2007) she would not give me a moments peace, following my posts and attacking me, for no reason at all, and so I was shocked and bewildered and did not understand what was going on, and so therefore, I was in communication with Dr Grossman, with my actual name email address.
So in my Outlook - there is, my email to Dr Grossman and the replies from Dr Grossman, addressed to my actual name, back then in Spring 2007.
Now long afterwards, I left the board for a couple of months, as things were toxic and awful, here on the board, at the time of my taking a very long break.
Then I came back on board, in October 2007.
That is the truth.
Leah x
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Actually, honestly, I am absolutely sick and tired of all this, truly I am.
Something I would like to mention, is that in actual fact, Dr Richard Grossman knows my real life identity as a person.
Because, naively, when I joined the board in January 2007
as I have said so many times, this is the first board that I joined as a member (yes, the first active forum/board membership)
and so, I naively, entered my one and only email address, which is made up of my actual name, of course.
When Jacmac was slaughtering me, as a new member, back in Spring 2007, I was in communication with Dr Grossman, with my actual name email address.
So in my Outlook - there is, my email to Dr Grossman and the replies from Dr Grossman, addressed to my actual name, back then in Spring 2007.
Now long afterwards, I left the board for a couple of months, as things were toxic and awful, here on the board, at the time of my taking a very long break.
Then I came back on board, in October 2007.
That is the truth.
Leah x
Ok thanks Leah. BTW: In your thread above, you have mentioned Dr. Grossman's name 4 times...could that be self aggrandizement?
Lise
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Ok thanks Leah. BTW: In your thread above, you have mentioned Dr. Grossman's name 4 times...could that be self aggrandizement?
Lise
I have no idea, Lise, I am typing away like the clappers, feeling sick and want to throw up, honestly.
Where is your Charity??
I have forgiven you, it is forgotten.
I cannot cope with you, Lise, that is sadly, the truth.
Please do not ever post to me again, Lise, you are making me feel physically ill, sorry about that, but you won't give me Charity or Peace.
I never thought I would be brought to the point of having to say this, never.
Please leave me alone.
Leah x
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Smoke and mirrors thread....how poignant...yep, Leah, the truth hurts but if you can face it...it will set you free and no one will ever have the power to make you feel sick again.
(((((((((((((((Leah)))))))))))))) Peace to you.
Lise
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I now realize, know, what you are doing, Gabben/Lise.
Now, leave me alone, thank you.
Leah
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Afraid I need a bit more evidence than the claim that someone is a linguist and can thereby somehow divine who is whose sock puppet.
Perhaps there are sock puppets here and perhaps not.
Naming individuals as sock puppets with no more evidence than has been presented seems more calculated to manipulate folks into conflict than anything else and SURPRISE! that's precisely what has occurred.
mud
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Exactly mud,
I was just about to post a thread about the potential for Betelgeuse to be our old troll friend again showing up at just the right time to stir up a little tension and and confusion.
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Bee:
I am also a trained "noticer" - though not in linguistics. And the idea you've suggested has never crossed my mind, that all these posters are a single person.
But, if they were - what of it? I mean, I've gotten support, advice, and help from everyone you've said were really a single person. To me, that's all that matters, you know?
So if this "multiple personality" were really a single a person... I can't see that it's doing harm for them to post as individual personalities... maybe that would help them heal, too.
Amber,
I am thankful to you, Amber, for sharing previously, earlier on this year, when you mentioned that it is possible for someone to have other 'proxy' accounts or whatever they are, and post as more than one member.
I really had no idea, that someone could do that.
Having got over the shock of seeing what 'Bee' had written, after logging on to share some good news of my day, and sat and thought about it some, maybe 'Bee' is another member, past or present, with an agenda, maybe, I don't know.
All very odd, very odd indeed, especially the timing, given the fact that I had only posted a few times recently.
Anyway, to the point, regarding 'proxies' I have been told that anyone who runs servers, and websites, can easily create these 'proxy' accounts.
Anyway, I don't know what the heck it is all about. Life is too short, and abslutely no way is anyone robbing me of my voice, my new shoes, or my precious pearls, after a life time of hell on earth.
Maybe, some folk just get bored, and then "wind em up and watch em go" for gameplay fo some kind.
Love, Leah
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Listen, this is going to be my very last post on this topic (and maybe on any topic) because there isn't much I can add to what I've said earlier.
We don't know whom we are talking to online. Period. Je est un autre, a game that seems to be regularly played on the Internet. I just googled 'sockpuppet' and 'troll' and discovered a whole series of interesting terms/concepts, such as strawman sockpuppet, meat puppet and astrosurfing.
I don't do that.
I'm nobody's 'old troll friend' (?) (though if s/he is a native speaker I'll take that as a compliment), I am one real person, I have one -squeaky- voice but good ears, eyes and honorable motives.
And I know you'll just have to take my word for that.
Most people on this board are vulnerable, as I am myself, which is exactly why I wouldn't dream of increasing any confusion here. I myself, and others too, need to be surrounded by real voices. Fake ones are confusing and lead to fake upsets.
Of course my considered opinion is not proof. I only mentioned being a linguist to explain why I would even notice speech patterns. I know it's a rather peculiar sensitivity, which often enlightens me and may enlighten others.
I'm glad I didn't notice any conflict arising between people who I believe to be genuine. If I have hurt, confused or bewildered any REAL person, I'm truly sorry.
Bee
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I'm glad I didn't notice any conflict arising between people who I believe to be genuine. If I have hurt, confused or bewildered any REAL person, I'm truly sorry.
You have hurt me... I am genuine....but that is OK because you have lost all credibility with me and I am sure many others here who are not me.
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Dear Bee,
I am a real person, and believe me, you have hurt me, very much.
I was shocked to log on here today and be greeted with your slanderous accusation.
When the troll issue was on the board a few months ago, we all of us, were made aware of the information on Wikipedia regarding all the different names of sockpuppets, which you have just mentioned. A member kindly posted a link to the information.
It was the first I knew about it.
Also, I naively thought that Wikipedia itself was a good resource, and apparently, it is not so good, as it is packed with trolls and puppets, and many muppets too.
Something else I have learned.
Leah
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Bee, how much of a linguist are you if one person is a native Spanish speaker, one is a native English speaker and you think they are the same person ?
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To be honest with you Bee,
My discernment is that you may well be a troll - sockpuppet person, and I say this soley because of your postings today.
That is my honest voice, and my honest thoughts, and yes, I dare to speak out, with a clear voice, having been abused by you today. Bearing in mind that basic human rights work both ways -- not a single one way street way.
No-one has ever stood up for me in my life - I have always had to stand up for myself, or lay down and be trampled to death.
I am standing up for myself now, as a real, honest, genuine person.
I am sick and tired of being mistreated simply because I am a nice person.
My mother and my sister spat at me on the doorstep and with a snarled up face, hissed at me, that I was disgusting to them, because I was nice.
Sorry, I am genuinely a nice person.
Nothing I can do to be different, I have tried to harden up, but God softened my heart again, with healing of hurts, past and present.
Thank you, Bee
for I needed to find my voice again, here on this board, as I have been walking on eggshells for so long, much too long.
Sincerely yours,
Leah
Dear Leah,
Your truth and your voice is valued and heard. love seasons
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(((Leah, Ami, Lise and Lupita))) love seasons
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Thank you seasons....
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Thank you, dear ((((( Seasons )))))
Love, Leah
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I wanted to share my perceptions because they have kept me silent and because I felt they might be of use to others.
I'll leave it at that.
Bee
Bee, this resonates with me, because I've been there and still do struggle, at times, in this area.
I used to think of this as a hurdle to be lept and conquered....
but now I view it as a pit to circumvent.
This probably will sound quite lame, but I hope that you can read through my lack of skill in expressing it...
Accepting that this world (and this group, as a microcosm of that world) is far from safe and smooth and perfect
has been just as much a key for me as accepting (and gratefully so!!) that I am far from smooth and perfect...
yet nonetheless, I can be safe.
I'm glad you spoke up.
Sincerely,
Carolyn
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I accept what you say as truth for you, PR, but in my case, when I sense someone is a sock puppet, I feel manipulated.
Me too.
Lise
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I am posting here only because of seasons told me she loves me, lighter told me she loves me, finding peace told me she loves me.
I wish I could speak Englihs as Lea does. I wish I had the huge heart that Gaben has. I so not wish anything of Ami because hse has had a very hard life, and I do not want to be in her place, just to think that the loss of a child is the most horrible tragedy a human being can suffer, makes me bow to her and give her my prayers and my love. I feel so sorry for Ami. I wish I was born in America. LOL
The fact that somebody could think such a ridululus thing makes me give serious thoguths.
What am I doing here?
Too much loneliness I guiess.
Betel, you sound with terrible thinking process. I am sorry to say that. The thinking processs you display is so twisted, that I do not know what to think. It is so rodiculus.
But, hey twins, Lea, Ami, Gaben, think that we cannot let our reputation define us because reputation is in the mind of others and we cannot control what others think. We can only control what we think, and Lea had a wonderful thread on owning oue thoughts.
That is why reputation is not under our control and at the end of the day we are left with ehat we think of out seleves and that depends on how much we love our selves beayse self esteem is only that, what we think of our selves.
God bless you all.
Love to you Ami, Love to you Lighter, Love to you Lea, Gaben and everybody envolved in this silly thing. Even when I am not posting I am get involved against my own will. LOL LOL LOL :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
And I take this opportunity to tell Izz do not give a S***t what others think of you. LOL LOL LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I gues My anxiety medication is taking effect of I would be responding in a different way LOL LOL LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I love it when you look at the world with humor, Lupita!
Life's full of irony and twists..... interesting stuff if you're not under siege.
Keep laughing and moving ahead.
Love you too,
Lighter
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That was great, Lupita
Do you remember the wonderful fun you and I had around Xmas/New years? I was making you laugh, and you were making me laugh and it was great! We talked about music.
I don't know why it fell off...... but no problem here.............. I have found that sometimes if I am having such fun, I expect it to end............that it is not going to be permanent.
I have always been following your posts and all I can say is, Good Luck, in your teaching profession and May all Your Students inderstand where you are coming from
XX
Izzy
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Izz, I dearly love you. Nobody will understand you because they take for granted what you do not have, your legs, they take for granted that they were born in the United States, they take for granted the lives or their sons, and they jusge ami and ami has the right to grieve any way she can, and we have the moral obligation to ahlep ol those in need ,they take for granted this board.
They are just jusgemental without empathy and they are uncapable to put their sleves in the shoes of others.
That is wht we must not care what they think. They do not know what we suffer.
They can go to the bathroom and take a good pee when you have to go on your wheel chair and catheterize your self. They are incapapble to understand what is to be a foreign in a wonderful country.
They take for granted and they judge.
I hope that God teaches me about that and I do not judge anybody. I am working on that.
Love to you all/
my respect for you Izz.
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Also, I have personally e mail Dr G about my mdeical situation and he knows my real name, my real e mail, and he knows all of us our ISP internet, and you cannot be in two places at the same time, so Dr. G knows who is who.
Lol again :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hi everybody,
I've merged Smoke and Mirrors I and II. Concerning Betelgeuse's concerns: these kinds of speculations have been made many times over the years both publicly and privately to me. In my opinion (and with the moderator tools available to me) they have almost always been false. And in this case, the speculations are certainly false.
Best,
Richard
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Hi everybody,
I've merged Smoke and Mirrors I and II. Concerning Betelgeuse's concerns: these kinds of speculations have been made many times over the years both publicly and privately to me. In my opinion (and with the moderator tools available to me) they have almost always been false. And in this case, the speculations are certainly false.
Best,
Richard
Thank you Dr Grossman for expending your time and resources, for the benefit of all, here on board.
I remain grateful for your VESMB board.
Sincerely,
Leah
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Izz, I dearly love you. Nobody will understand you because ------.
They can go to the bathroom and take a good pee when you have to go on your wheel chair and catheterize your self. They are incapapble to understand what is to be a foreign in a wonderful country.
my respect for you Izz.
hI Lupita
Just a note to clear up re cather( your wheel chair and catheterize your self.) Originally I had one, for 7 months, then was able to get rid of it. Constanr C'ization can shorten a person's life by 30 % (we were told there)
It might be better now in my old age, as I has to cancel a dental appointment today. For 39 years I have had to monitor myself--intake, output. Do/did they 'match? Watch out for a laughing fit, a couching fit, a sneezing fit., spontaneous invitations etc.
Today I was coughing and I called to cancel. I I sounded 'bunged up' nasally but the receptionist said, a cold is olay as we wear masks. (She is not the R. that knows me.) and she continued to try to convince me to come in, till I went nuts. I said,----
.... "Well, Kiley, I'm in a wheelchair and when I cough, I pee myself--I better have another day." She gave me another date.
You are right
No one tries to understand me.... I sense they are afraid to ask...... but for one gal who asked all kinds of questions.
Love
Izzy
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Wow, I cough and pee too - even witout the chair!!! Lol
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Cough and pee-sneeze and pee-sometimes walk and pee-if I am on my way to the bathroom and i really gotta go!
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Well, no Depends yet for me but always a pantyliner!