Smoke and Mirrors

[Ami]

((((((((((Lise)))))))))))))))
You don't have to let anyone get '"inside" ' you!         Love  Ami

[Gabben]

Yet no or hardly any manifestation of guilt, not even when she said there had been talk in the family of a possible suicide before the event. Hmm...

Perhaps you have not read ALL of Ami's threads or spoke with her in person?

[Gabben]

Gabben does not like me, never did, and most likely, never will.  But, that is her free will choice, brought about initially by an innocent posting on my part, that created a trigger.  Of which, I knew nothing about triggers and such, at that time.

Dr Richard Grossman has already posted onto the board and more or less confirmed my identity, as being singular.

Actually, Leah -- I do like you, please let me speak for myself. The behavior from you has not always been stellar... I have eyes. Perhaps you should review your "taking ownership....of " thread:

http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3//index.php?topic=6841.0

Dr. G never confirmed your ID as singular he just confirmed that you were not certain posters at certain times.

Leah, believe it or not, I pray for you with tenderness and care.

Lise

[Ami]

You know, Bee, if you have never lost your son to suicide and gone in to shock, you really have nothing to comment on and are just showing boorish behavior and ignorance.                  Ami

[towrite]

(((((((Leah & Ami)))))))


Kate

[Leah]

(((((((Leah & Ami)))))))


Kate

Thank you, dear ((((( Kate )))))

I feel physically sick, to be honest.

Leah x


PS.  for readers of this thread... some info......

there is a 'spin off' thread called Smoke and Mirrors II http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3//index.php?topic=7658.0

[Gabben]

((((((((((((((((((ME, Ami, and Leah))))))))))))))))))))

I do not strive to leave people out (exclusion) -- it can send a subtle hurtful message to people.

Lise

[Gabben]

I am not you Gabben, I am me, Leah.

I'm gald that you are straight on this point, that makes two of us.

I never had an issue with you Lise, I was supportive to you from the moment you joined.

Are you capable of being honest with yourself?

I made ONE mistake with a posting to your thread -- one mistake, that's all it was.

Ok, all forgiven.

Afterward, I stood up for myself, as in truth, I never did anything to hurt you, or indeed, anyone.  I have never ever deliberately hurt anyone, in my life, and God knows that is the truth.

When you die I will gladly petition Rome on behalf of your sainthood cause.

[Gabben]

Don't ever remember one single occasion of my mother saying that word.  never thought of that, till now.

Leah x

Dear Leah,

I'm sorry to hear this...you deserve better and you certainly deserve better than the way I have from time to time treated you here on the board. I'm still learing and growing -- loving my enemies is not a complete strength for me yet.

It was never my intention to hurt you either yet I felt the need to defend myself because I felt that you were following me around on the board for a while. Just when I would post a thread about my pain and struggles you would followup almost immediately with a thread about some subject in contradiction to me, knowing full well I am right here, reading.  It was mild abuse by proxy or ambient abuse... I was not the only one who saw it going on and questioned it.

Just like last week, Izzy brought up my "Being Envied" thread...then, the same day, you brought up your envy thread...I was about to bring up your hyper-competitive thread but I realized that perhaps you were just trying to give Izzy as much thoughtful information as possible. I gave you the benefit of the doubt just the way I gave N-Saint the benefit of the doubt for a long time too, despite my gut....but oh well.

N saint has taught me a lot. For everything she has taken I have been given a gift back in terms of healing and growth.

Leah -- I do not want to fight with you...never have...I'm just trying to stand up for myself....I think you can understand.

You know the beatitudes....people that are righteous tend to be hated...I am hated here... I'm OK with that because I am OK with me.

[Leah]

Actually, honestly, I am absolutely sick and tired of all this, truly I am.


Something I would like to mention, is that in actual fact, Dr Richard Grossman knows my real life identity as a person.

Because, naively, when I joined the board in January 2007

as I have said so many times, this is the first board that I joined as a member (yes, the first active forum/board membership)

and so, I naively, entered my one and only email address, which is made up of my actual name, of course.


When Jacmac was slaughtering me, and bearing in mind, I was only a new member (back in Spring 2007) she would not give me a moments peace, following my posts and attacking me, for no reason at all, and so I was shocked and bewildered and did not understand what was going on, and so therefore, I was in communication with Dr Grossman, with my actual name email address.

So in my Outlook - there is, my email to Dr Grossman and the replies from Dr Grossman, addressed to my actual name, back then in Spring 2007.

Now long afterwards, I left the board for a couple of months, as things were toxic and awful, here on the board, at the time of my taking a very long break.


Then I came back on board, in October 2007.


That is the truth.

Leah x

[Gabben]

Actually, honestly, I am absolutely sick and tired of all this, truly I am.


Something I would like to mention, is that in actual fact, Dr Richard Grossman knows my real life identity as a person.

Because, naively, when I joined the board in January 2007

as I have said so many times, this is the first board that I joined as a member (yes, the first active forum/board membership)

and so, I naively, entered my one and only email address, which is made up of my actual name, of course.


When Jacmac was slaughtering me, as a new member, back in Spring 2007, I was in communication with Dr Grossman, with my actual name email address.

So in my Outlook - there is, my email to Dr Grossman and the replies from Dr Grossman, addressed to my actual name, back then in Spring 2007.

Now long afterwards, I left the board for a couple of months, as things were toxic and awful, here on the board, at the time of my taking a very long break.


Then I came back on board, in October 2007.


That is the truth.

Leah x

Ok thanks Leah. BTW:  In your thread above, you have mentioned Dr. Grossman's name 4 times...could that be self aggrandizement?

Lise

[Leah]

Ok thanks Leah. BTW:  In your thread above, you have mentioned Dr. Grossman's name 4 times...could that be self aggrandizement?

Lise

I have no idea, Lise, I am typing away like the clappers, feeling sick and want to throw up, honestly.

Where is your Charity??

I have forgiven you, it is forgotten.

I cannot cope with you, Lise, that is sadly, the truth.

Please do not ever post to me again, Lise, you are making me feel physically ill, sorry about that, but you won't give me Charity or Peace.

I never thought I would be brought to the point of having to say this, never. 

Please leave me alone.

Leah x

[Gabben]

Smoke and mirrors thread....how poignant...yep, Leah, the truth hurts but if you can face it...it will set you free and no one will ever have the power to make you feel sick again.

(((((((((((((((Leah))))))))))))))  Peace to you.


Lise

[Leah]

I now realize, know, what you are doing, Gabben/Lise.

Now, leave me alone, thank you.

Leah

[mudpuppy]

Afraid I need a bit more evidence than the claim that someone is a linguist and can thereby somehow divine who is whose sock puppet.
Perhaps there are sock puppets here and perhaps not.
Naming individuals as sock puppets with no more evidence than has been presented seems more calculated to manipulate folks into conflict than anything else and SURPRISE! that's precisely what has occurred.

mud