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nightsong

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A parent-shaped gap in my life
« on: December 19, 2003, 02:23:32 AM »
Many of you guys are much further on in this process than me. I can't tell you how much I respect many of the posts on here, and the people who post them - there is wisdom, compassion and thoughtfulness in abundance.

So I wondered if others have been through what I am increasingly experiencing now. Essentially, I think it's grief. Wherever I look I see grandparents interacting positively with their children and, especially, their grandchildren. In the street, on TV - there they are. Normal, caring families, where the grandparents take it for granted that they are needed as well as loved, and step up without difficulty to offer help and support.

For so long I excused my parents, as well as my husbands'. They were old, they were busy, blah blah blah. Now I see that they were perfectly capable, they just didn't want to do it. The day my father died, I asked both my mother and my mother-in-law  for a tiny bit of help. Would they come and mind our children for a few hours, so I could go to the hospital, register the death, and see the funeral director? My mother told me to ask my mother-in-law. My mother-in-law said no. This was three years ago and I still think about it nearly every day.

So Ok, the anger and bitterness are still there, and I need to get past that. But the grief is new, and it's so painful. My children are lovely. One of them is disabled. But their grandparents really, truly, don't care about them. Or me, or my husband. We are orphans in all but fact.

I guess this is all part of the process?

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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2003, 10:50:09 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2003, 11:46:04 AM »
I agree with the last reply, you should feel your anger and bitterness in an effort to move on with your life.  I also understand your inability to forgive the selfishness of your mother and mother-in-law, I would be equally as upset.  If it's any help, my father almost died (brain aneurism) and when I called my mother and told her about it, at first she was empathetic (her brand), "Well, you take care of yourself, don't let this run  your life" and then didn't call me for a week (it was touch and go).  I got angry, she finally called and said, "I don't give a shit if he lives or dies."  Nice supportive talk.  He lived, I lived with him for the summer to dose him and care for him (I worked from home) and now he's pulling shit  on me, "All you care about is your fucking book.  Well, I'm glad I almost died and gave you material. You are as surface as your mother.  Fuck you."  That was the last voicemail he left for me (a week ago).  

I forgave him (after we fought for two hours about how I should call more than once a week).  Gimmie a break already.  I am trying to learn how to accept these people (our parents) for who they are, to stop wishing they were the kind of parents I too see all around me (see the movie "In America" those parents listened to their children).  So, I am writing about it, writing through it.  I hope to be (if/when I ever have children), the kind of parent that listens to her children and is unconditional.  With my folks, there are always strings hanging, pulling, lifting, straining me and I just have to mentally snip them.  I have to learn how to rejoice my accomplishments and be grateful that I have people in my life (other than my N parents) who love me.  

But, a bit of piss and vinegar isn't always such a bad thing.  I stuffed my emotions for too many years, only in the past two years have I begun to understand them and learn how not to stuff.

Good luck and many smiles,
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2003, 12:45:11 PM »
Hi Nightsong,

Feeling some grief?  Watch out...your are starting to sound like you're approaching the normalcy you crave.  :wink:

I like what Gross Girl said about snipping the strings and not stuffing feelings.  My goodness those N parents give feeling in general and feeling for ones self in particular a bad name!

And Portia is so right on about the "keep on feeling" thing.  Did you see the Grinch Who Stole Christmas?  I wasn't too pleased with most of it relative to the book or cartoon AND Jim Carey has a few brilliant moments that made the movie for me:  One was when he is starts to feel.  It isn't pretty.   :shock: You just got to see it.  He is writhing in what appears to be agony and then exclaims something like "Oh no, I am FEEEEEEELING!"

In America? I haven't heard of that movie but am looking for examples of better parenting so I'll check it out.

Nightsong...I like your name. Have you ever heard the song Night Vision by Susan Vega?  It likely qualifies as an oldie by now, as do I.   :shock:  It is a poetic song (like your name) about seeing in the dark - like a child trying to make sense of the crazy creatures that crawl out from inside otherwise quite ordinary furniture in the middle of the night.  (Perhaps that is our little baby creative subconscious hinting that life, like the furniture we rely on, isn’t going to be as endless or as stable as it appears.  It makes us look a little closer at what we take for granted.  Eeegads, did the table just wink at me?)

Growing pains.  Cycle of life stuff.  That being said....ARRRRRRG!  No fun.  :(    It does pass.  Well somewhat.  Perhaps we are supposed to remember some of the pain of what we lost so that we remember its value.  

Watch out for that TV...especially given you are hungry for better relationships it is natural that you'll focus on what appears better.  And I have found that can also lead me to obsess on what is better and accept appearance over substance (because after all their MUST be better and asap when we are in so much pain and grief.)  As long as you strive you will feel the distance between where you are and where you are striving for  - that is life and especially for those who dare to strive.  Just take care not to make that distance too great to span or you'll end up exhausted (in my case I learned from exhaustion too though).  Try to pace yourself and your grief will adjust with you.

I just started volunteering with children who are "at-risk" i.e. those that have been severely abused.  The program was started by a mother whose own daughter was kidnapped and murdered by a man who was the product of an abusive childhood.  Many of the children in the program live in foster care as I did.  My dream was to have a "normal" family by now and a home and THEN care for foster children – return, in a sense, when I was strong enough, when the grief had subsided to a softly sighed, "that was a long time ago."  In some ways my grief has subsided though I have most certainly not recouped what I would have gained had I not been kept in a basement or drugged or beaten as a child. Not even close.

Being in touch with my pain and my anger is likely part of the reason I am not an abuser.  My empathy (I derived not from my terrible pain but from the pain that was tolerable) I have discovered is also working wonders with the children.  To others I appear to have an almost telepathic understanding of problem behaviors that baffle some of the other volunteers.  In the sense that telepathy describes a bridge between two worlds that cannot otherwise relate I am telepathic in that I understand much of what these children feel and after a couple of decades I also get a sense of the relatively protected world some volunteers are trying to relate FROM.  I am also learning things from other volunteers whose better childhoods taught them things I didn't learn, like how to be uninhibited - VOICEFULL.  

By the way, I am also learning at new levels of detail and depth that many people who had what appeared to be "normal" childhoods had parents who were so terrified of confrontation and of pain, so ill equipped to deal with their emotions that they erected a facade that the children grow up behind and can no longer distinguish from their own skin - Nism! Ok, so that even the good may not be so good underneath is not very inspiring .....I just mean to say that too much pain and especially suffering without the comfort of love from others is like a deadly virus AND being radically "shielded" from pain (denial) is also.  I recently went to a party I had planned on avoiding because I knew it would be attended by people with homes and children and families.  Sure enough it was the beautiful warm house of my dreams.  Music was playing and there was lots of light and a yard in which the owner had planted for years and reaped the rewards. I hate renting.  Yup, just the home that I wanted to have and to care for foster children in.  The owner seemed unable to relax during the entire party and introduced their son and daughter as children who had performed in the presence of celebrities.  No mention of their interests, no communication to them.  With parental hands squarely on their shoulders the beleaguered looking kids were thrust at the guests like Good Parenting Seals of Approval and then ignored.  The host has many good qualities and nonetheless despite all that I don’t have I really felt I wouldn’t trade places if it required I be frantically hyper and out of touch. Actually, I used to be more like that.  :oops:  I would have prefered to learn from inspiration rather than despiration and yet in the absence of a really good childhood, I at least have had enough pain and exhaustion to learn how wonderful relaxing and savoring life slowly can be without a single celebrity in the audience!  

There are some clichés that really get on my nerves - one of which is the ole "Is the glass half empty or half full" litmus test for "optimism".  I believe it is in equal measure if not entirely a test of thirst.  Fill your glass until you FEEL it is half full - don't try to pretend you don't feel grief or that you don't need to quench it and also try not to aim for blissful normalcy, a norman rockwell "perfectly" full glass before you enjoy a leisurely sip from what you have.  Well there is a few decades of input ....thank goodness I don't have more (i'd be even older and this post even longer  :lol: )

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2003, 12:23:53 AM »
Nightsong,

You aren't just experiencing grief dear you are also looking at the  parents through a different set of eyes now.  You once looked at them through the eyes of a little girl who craved their love.  You are now a mother yourself and you feel the love for your children that most mothers feel (normal mothers that is).  Now that you know how much love a mother has for their child you probably are finding it more difficult to understand how your parents could have been so so so...............what word should I fill in here?

I remember being a little girl sitting on the edge of my bed watching my neighbor play barbie dolls on the patio with her daughter.   I remember seeing the both of them laughing, having a grand ole time.  I became overwhelmed and I began to cry.  I doubt seriously if I could have told anyone at that time what caused the tears.  My mom walked into my room and said "what in the hell are you babbling about"?  She went to close my window and she saw the two of them playing.  She then said, "Jesus, that woman is as immature as you are.  She is sitting there playing F"" barbies and you are sitting here wah wahing about Lord knows what.  Speaking of barbies, get your Ars up and pick up this barbie junk before I throw it away."

That just brought tears to my eyes.  I think back to how many times my girls asked me to play barbies and I can promise you this much.  NEVER did I turn my girls down and NEVER have I regretted it.  Still to this day my 23 yr old and my 19 yr old talk about how I could color a picture better then any artist in town and how I could always match the barbies clothes like she was going to a fashion show.  

I look at my mom and I absolutely hate her.  I do not hate her for what she did not do for me because I grew to not depend on her love or actually anything from her.  I hate her because as a mother I now realize how crappy she really was the entire time I grew up and I despise her for not being a better grandmother then she was a mother.  I always wondered why she could not take responsibility for her actions and make up for her shortcomings with me by doing right for my kids.  I gave up on that hope when my first one was born.  Nothing changes and I just can not believe now that I am a parent that my parents sucked to the extent that they did.

It makes it hard for kids now days to have dysfunctional parents and grandparents.  I went to so many of my kids school functions for parents day or grandparents day and do you know how many kids were sitting there alone?  But ya know, there is a funny twist to the ending of this post.  The girl that was sitting on the patio playing barbies with her mother that I mentioned earlier, she wasn't at the last Muffin for Moms breakfast.  I ran into her and she asked me if I was going.  I told her I wouldn't miss it for the world then I asked if she was going to be there.  Her reply was "Pffffft, hell no I am not going.  I am sending my mom instead.  I have three meetings that day and my mom gets off  doing that chit.  She used to embarrass the hell out of me when she showed up to all of my functions.  I would never do that to my daughter."  

I looked at her and I could feel the tears coming.  I said "thats to bad Andrea.  I always wished I could have your mom as a mother."  I then recalled the barbie story and her reply was "huh, wow and I always thought you had it made because you had ten times more barbie gear then I did.  I think I could take the great house and the awesome barbie gear over a mom who couldn't get out of my face."

Her dad was a N.  That is why the mother made sure to love those kids enough for the both of them.  Her sister and I have had several long talks about their childhood.  Little did I know that I would meet a man like my old neighbor man.  Listening to their childhood stories makes me wonder if I would want those people around my kids but none the less it hurts like hell.  

Love your kids and in due time they will see your parents for who they are.  It hurts but does it surprise you?  I finally figured out that my gosh if my mom could not feel the love for her own children, how in the hell did I expect her to feel it for my children?"  

Hun, it is totally their loss, not ours!!  I pity the day they wake up and feel alone because I know one thing.  I know that I will not be there to make my mom feel better.  I will be with my kids and my own grandchildren, enjoying life with them which is something my mom could never seem to do.  Perhaps there will be pseudo-grandparents that come into your life, if not, give them all of the love that you so desired as a child.

Jaded
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2003, 02:16:46 AM »
Nightsong (a hauntingly appropriate name):

So Ok, the anger and bitterness are still there, and I need to get past that. But the grief is new, and it's so painful.


Grief is just another stage of healing.  Grief is an acceptance of sorts.  It's getting over a hump.  It's a hard stage.  You start admitting things to yourself that are unpleasant.  It is the Truth people speak of.  

We all recover at our own pace.  It is all part of the process.  Sounds like you've crossed into a new phase.  It's a good thing.