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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2004, 01:12:30 AM »
Simon,

My take on it, is that it is not really that you shouldn't send her flowers anymore or that she didn't appreciate them.   It had nothing to do with the flowers.  You re-opened the tension regarding the previous discussion that you had before sending the flowers, by mentioning your thoughts of her throwing them out because of that prior exchange.

She was reacting to the prior exchange that you had enlivened once again.  

What's done is done, though it would have been best to keep any dialogue from the gift of the flowers completely separate from the previous tense discussion.    They were two unrelated situations.  

Under the circumstances, I can at least understand where her reply was coming from.

Hope you can work out the initial tension though...

All the best.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2004, 02:41:10 AM »
bye

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2004, 11:04:07 AM »
"Brother" Simon,

You did exactly what I always do.  You braced yourself for a fight, and almost by auto-programming inadvertantly instigated it.  This is what I am learning not to do anymore.  We are so preprogrammed from their years of manipulation that we anticipate it before it happens. That is  what you read into her "sincere" thank you.  You reacted.  

The hardest part of my learning process this last two months has been to acknowledge now that I have to take some responsiblity for what happens to me.  I think you need to do that too. I confronted her (free ticket to the theatre thread), she acknowledged she was wrong, but has not changed one little bit.  The only thing that is different is that she is respecting the boundaries I have set, albiet begrudgingly.  But it has become painfully obvious to me that she still doesn't really "get it", even with a simple statement she made the other day when we were out, "maybe after the baby you won't be so hard on your mother"  WHAT?  How am I hard on her?  Because I expect her to treat me and my husband and family with RESPECT???!!!  It made it loud and clear to me that all that apologizing she had done a month ago was not sincere - it was out of fear of abandonment.  To admit that to myself I think has been harder than the confrontation itself - because now I am faced with having to take responsiblity for it from this point forward.

I am positive that had you taken the thank you email at face value, this would not have happened - at least not at this point in time.  Try to remove yourself from the fact that this is your mother.  If you had sent the flowers to a coworker, or a friend - would you have responded to that same thank you message differently?  My guess is you probably would have sent one back saying simply "your welcome" or not even acknowledge it all all, because it wouldn't have been necessary.

It is hard for us to admit, but your reaction spoke loud and clear - on some level you are still needing her approval.  You were subconsciously digging for it.  And Simon, may I be as bold to assume that possibly - you were using what we learned from our dear N mothers to manipulate a little, by saying "I thought you might throw them away".... Could you possibly have been trying to make her feel guilty for being angry at you for the other situation??   It is easy to recognize in you because I see myself in you.  I might have done something like this in the past - a hidden "see, I really am a good boy because I sent you flowers, don't you feel bad now for abusing me?" The child within us, Simon.  I haven't figured out how not to need the approval yet, but when I do... I will clue you in for sure!

I have been working furiously on this in therapy.  My counselor says that really the only true way to break away emotionally is to spend less time with her. Distancing myself from my mother has been the hardest thing I've ever done.  I have been so entwined, so needy for her approval for so long - it seems almost impossible to break away from this.  But slowly I have reduced our time together.  I have not been available every single Friday - in fact  I have cancelled three visits since Christmas.  May not seem like a lot to others, but it is HUGE for me, because we have been spending Fridays together for over 5 years.

Anyway sorry got off on a tangent there...

Just a few random thoughts.
CC - 'If it sucks longer than an hour, get rid of it!'

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2004, 12:01:07 PM »
CC,

Your messages are full of insight.  Just wonderful.

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2004, 07:46:38 PM »
I can relate to what you said CC. We should not be returning the missiles directed at us but it is hard to recognise them after so many years in the battlefield because it's just 'normal' behaviour (bothways). And I'm certain until we stop seeking their approval it remains stuck there. I had 'one of those' phone calls (as my brother and I used to call them) with my mother about 4 months ago. She was trying to get me to do something her way and when I explained why I thought my way suited me better she got angry and escalated into her attack mode. The difference this time though was that I didn't get angry and defensive. I remained calm and collected. Out of the blue I said to her, 'Mum, I don't need your approval anymore. You live your life and I'll live mine." The thing is, it didn't matter whether she heard me or not, it was a moment for me to realise that I really didn't need to run everything past her for her approval. It was something I had to learn.

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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2004, 04:41:21 PM »
CC, Guest Y, Karin, Phoenix, everyone:

Thanks for all your responses. This was not something that I sat around and thought about too much, but all of your insightful comments have given me a new perspective as I re-think the event. CC, I especially appreciate your thoughts, particularly the idea that our own need for someone else's approval often causes our own pain. As you say, it is the child in us that get our feelings hurt. If we (the child) could eternally and forever let go of our need for parental approval, how could they hurt us? (Do let me know if you figure out how to do this!)

Again, thanks to you all. This board is a great help.

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2004, 05:45:20 PM »
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If we (the child) could eternally and forever let go of our need for parental approval, how could they hurt us?


Eternally and forever is unlikely to happen. The need for approval can be diminished a lot, usually in therapy.

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