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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2007, 10:18:12 PM »
Over?  Ami?  It does not seem to be over-we all are on a journey which is never truly over.
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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2007, 10:43:02 PM »
I love this, Hope...thank you:

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Guarding my heart.
That means I don't fill myself up with my own feelings or with those of others.

It makes such sense to me.
Growth takes space, maturity takes space, just like a tree.
If I want my heart to grow wise, I need to let my emotions pulse through it the way blood pulses through my heart, never stopping and stagnating and clotting. They come, and they go...but they are not me. Not my ...umm... soul.

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(you don't appear often, dear, but you don't mess around when you do!)
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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2007, 07:11:47 PM »
Lupita,

Thank you for taking the time to explain in the midst of your own pain.  I was concerned that I had triggered you by something I wrote.

You said that you were over sensitive a number of times in your post.  I don't know if I am reading too far into what you wrote, but it sounded like you were upset with yourself for being over sensitive?

Lupita, it is how you feel, and there is nothing wrong with how you feel.  (Depending on how it is said to me, I too get triggered by being judged or told what to do.)

You are an MD, so you most likely know what can happen with nerve damage or the changes that can happen in the brain following trauma, so what I am going to say is probably old news to you (please ignore if so). 

In any case, I had an interesting thing happen once - severed a nerve in my foot (along with a tendon or 2), and my nervous system had the most bizarre reaction.  It became hypersensitive.  Essentially, the nerve was cut-off so I shouldn’t have felt anything, and yet – the slightest touch in that area of my foot would double me up in pain.

It wasn't until I had a great physical therapist that I was able to learn to desensitize my foot.  She touched both feet in exactly the same spot, and in the normal foot it was just a slight feeling; whereas, in the foot with the nerve damage I had pain radiating up my leg.  It was a very weird sensation in my brain - the same exact spot and yet 2 such different levels of feeling.  That did it though – she retrained my brain.

I learned from my experience with my foot that the nervous system is a funny thing.  I think that emotional trauma does the same thing to our brains.  Our brains become hypersensitive to external stimuli, stimuli that are threatening to us in some way, and usually associated with the original trauma.  Our brain goes into a fight/flight survival reaction, whereas, the brains of people who have not been traumatized don’t experience that degree of reaction. 

I haven't researched this but I read somewhere that newer brain scans (I think PET scans) are now showing this – where people who suffer from anxiety or other disorders are showing greater brain activity in certain regions of the brain.

Now, the only problem for me has been that I have only 1 brain.  How do I desensitize it?    Short-term antidepressants might work.  Suppress the activity for awhile while the brain re-sets itself (no tomatoes please Ami I know you don’t like meds :: smile :: ).  I was on one for a while and it did help, but I stopped taking it because I didn't like the side-effects. 

In any case, I guess I am trying to say that I hope you are not beating yourself up for being sensitive or being too hard on yourself.  It is not fair to you; you have been through so much and your brain is reacting just as it should given what you have experienced, and, at least IME, it is very difficult to re-set the brain.

You are a wonderful person Lupita.  You have accomplished so much in your life despite incredible odds – odds that would have broken most people, IMO.  In fact, IMO, you have accomplished more in your life than most people I know who have had gentler upbringings.

Please be gentle with yourself.  If you have trouble with this, maybe think of how gentle you would be with your son were he going through the same things as you.  Take that knowledge and apply it to you as well. 

Another thing that might help....Make a deal with yourself – every time a negative thought comes into your head in the next week – instead of feeling bad about it, give that negative thought a mental hug and say thanks for protecting me.  Sounds bizarre doesn’t it?  Oddly enough that is what my T taught me.  Those negative thoughts were at one time a desperately needed protective mechanism when you were a child that have continued into adulthood.   

Also - every time a good thought or feeling comes up, congratulate yourself for remembering to feel good.

I have been trying this also and think it is helping.

Much love,
Peace
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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2007, 10:20:44 PM »
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every time a negative thought comes into your head in the next week – instead of feeling bad about it, give that negative thought a mental hug and say thanks for protecting me.  Sounds bizarre doesn’t it?  Oddly enough that is what my T taught me.  Those negative thoughts were at one time a desperately needed protective mechanism when you were a child that have continued into adulthood.   

Also - every time a good thought or feeling comes up, congratulate yourself for remembering to feel good.

What wonderful advice, Peace.

Seems to me that all our reactions in the present really DO represent something adaptive and smart and creative. It was adapative and smart and creative in the past to be who we became. It's only now, on the threshold of letting the past become (and stay) the past, that we trip over them, wrestle and struggle.

One day, we can say thank you and say goodbye. When it becomes peaceful to say goodbye, let things go, we're there.

I think.

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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2007, 05:18:18 PM »
Dear FP, I agree with you. Thank you for your post. It is not the zise of the stimulus, but what the stimulus is triggering and our treshold. Our treshold for stimulation (triggering) is very low. The umbral is low and the neurones discharge higher electrical charges. So, we feel as extremely painful stimulus that otherwise would not be painful for others. The same muscles are inutilized with excess of stimulus like in tetanus, or lack of of it like in polio, same with our mind.
But I am working on it. I am reading the Burns book, I am still in identifying the distortion, then identifyl yous assumpions, then dispute it.

It is easy to agree with the book. It is difficult to do it.

Needing aproval, the advantages are that you will work hard to get sympathy, the disadvantages that you will be in a treadmill constantly working for the aproval that you so much need and if you do not get it you will feel extremely frustrated. So, I am there. IN the analizis. Then you ask how true is what you are thinking. Give it a grade from 0 to 100. Then you can see that there are shades not black an white. Besides your self esteem cannot depend of the feelings of other people since we cannot control what other people feel.

I cannot say that nobody loves me. I have my son and there are some people that in some way care about me.

So, I am not as abandoned as I feel. Plus, I do not need that somebody else take care of me. I can take care of my self.

And I know I am a good teacher, very good teacher, although nobody tells me or thanks me.

So, there is where I am. I am not as depressed as I was last week. It is better. Not much better but better. That is improvement and I have to be grateful for that.

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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2007, 06:25:33 PM »
Once you practice 'knowing' your truths.... you get better at believing them. 

You feel stronger about them and eventually they're part of you.

It sort of sneaks up on you..... (((Lupita)))

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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2007, 08:36:53 PM »
Lupita,

I am so glad to hear that you are doing better this week. 

((((((Lupita))))))

Hops

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Seems to me that all our reactions in the present really DO represent something adaptive and smart and creative. It was adapative and smart and creative in the past to be who we became. It's only now, on the threshold of letting the past become (and stay) the past, that we trip over them, wrestle and struggle.
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Yes, yes, yes!!! (Can you tell I really agree?)  :D

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One day, we can say thank you and say goodbye. When it becomes peaceful to say goodbye, let things go, we're there.
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I think so too.

Much love to you both,
Peace
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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2007, 08:52:46 PM »

When it becomes peaceful to say goodbye, let things go, we're there.

((((((((Hops))))))))  Yes, I think so, too... and also, for me (especially lately)... it'a become the same with feeling peaceful to say nothing at all!

Such a relief...
and thank you from my heart for your encouragement and sweet thoughts earlier on in this thread, dear Hops... that made me smile, really.

Love to you and daily consideration, with hope,
Carolyn


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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2007, 10:35:45 PM »
Making you smile makes my day, Hope...

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Re: we hate our selves
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2007, 06:10:38 AM »
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It'a become the same with feeling peaceful to say nothing at all!


Sweet gentle droplets of maturity and wisdom.

Inner peace and calm as one serenely prevails.

Shimmers of light dancing upon the still waters.

Simple bliss.

Love to ((( all )))

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