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Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« on: July 29, 2012, 10:16:39 AM »
Hi everybody,

Here are a couple articles, when read together (or separately) may provoke some thought...

Is Depression Inherited?
By Daphne Merkin
Published: July 28, 2012, New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/opinion/sunday/is-depression-inherited.html?pagewanted=all

and

Should Depressed People Avoid Having Children?
Do people with depression or other psychological problems have any moral obligation to forgo bearing children in order to avoid passing on their "bad" genes?
By Maia Szalavitz | @maiasz | June 5, 2012

http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/05/should-depressed-people-avoid-having-children/

Also, this article from the 2009 Atlantic may be of interest to some as well:

The Science of Success by David Dobbs

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2009/12/the-science-of-success/7761/

All comments are welcome!

Richard

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Re: Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 05:08:46 AM »
I've skimmed through quickly, so some brief thoughts -

I think our diets and lifestyles play a role in depression these days - not for everyone, but for some people.  I also think learning unhealthy coping habits as a child - comfort eating or drinking, for example, to get away from a problem - can cause depression because you're not dealing with the problem and your putting toxins into your system.  I also think there's a tendancy now - in the UK at least - to label just about everything as 'depression'.  It's as if you're not supposed to have feelings anymore.  People have a shit time of it and it will make them feel lousy, I think that's different to a depressive illness (although just as difficult to deal with).  I have a friend who is always complaining she's depressed - she's in a loveless marriage she won't leave, she drinks a bottle of wine a night and has a very negative outlook on life.  Is she suffering from depression or does she need to make some lifestyle changes?  So I think, firstly, not all 'depression' is an illness (and therefore inherited via genetics).

If people make decisions about not having children for whatever reason that is their business and their right to do so.  However, I think there's quite a fine line between an individual making a personal choice and eugenics.  One person deciding they don't want to is fine, people talking about moral responsibilities not to do certain things scares the bejesus out of me.  Personally I don't want more children because I worry I'd have another disabled one and I don't want to do that - not because I don't love him, but because he will need looking after for the rest of his life and I won't be around to do it (and neither is anyone else).  If an individual has an abortion because they feel they can't cope with the disabled child they are carrying or puts a disabled child into care I understand that completely.  I am vehemently opposed, though, to someone taking away that choice - either way - and would feel the same if people started claiming that those with mental health problems shouldn't be allowed to have children.  Some people aren't good parents, but I believe in treating people as individuals rather than categorising them all in one way because of one particular feature of their life.  In the UK there are a lot of children - it's estimated thousands each year - taken away from mums with mental health problems, in case they get ill and emotionally abuse them in the future.  For some children that would be the right thing to do, but others could stay at home if there was more help for people with difficulties (and personally I'd like to see all the supermarkets banned from selling junk food, I think that would make a big difference to a lot of people).

Have only skimmed through quickly, will try and read again later!  But those were my initial thoughts on what I read :)

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Re: Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 07:32:22 AM »
Haven't done any in-depth reading just yet.  Just wanted to share a thought or two.

While I was participating in a clinical study, I learned that there are several different types of Depression and that anyone can have more than one type of Depression simultaneously.  There's the Depression from PTSD, there's Depression that runs in families, there's Depression from Cyclothymia to full-blown Bipolar Disorder, and there's Depression from Seasonal Affective Disorder.  (These are what I can recall off the top of my head.)

I remember thinking, at the time the clinician was explaining all of this to me, "Now isn't this a kick in the pants?"

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Re: Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 11:34:19 AM »
Looking at my extended family, it seems obvious there is an intergenerational connection.  Depression and other mental problems have passed from my great grandfather on down.  Of my 14 cousins on the paternal side, 1 has committed suicide and at least half have depression and other mental problems.  

 But whether it is a genetic or environmental issue is far more complicated.  My grandfather presumably treated his offspring poorly, and in turn several of them have been deficient parents.  My father shows Aspergers syndrome tendencies, but I have no idea if he was born this way.  In the familly mythology, he was badly treated by his father and this was the cause of his problems.  But maybe he was badly treated because of the way he behaved.  Figuring out the "true" cause seems nearly impossible.    

Then there is a gender issue.  It's the male offspring of my grandfather who have had problems, while the two females have fared far better.  These women (my aunts) married decent non-depressive men, and their offspring seem healthy.   So even if there is a genetic disposition to depression, maybe it can be  overcome by environment.

One of my non-depressive cousins lives nearby, and I have a hard time even believing we are related.  It's like he comes from a totally different world.  He seems to get along with his FOO just fine, and even thinks highly of our grandfather.   If he has any disposition to mental problems, they sure aren't visible to the outside. 



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Re: Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2015, 10:11:41 AM »
Hi everybody,

Here's another piece on depression I appreciated by actress/comedienne Sarah Silverman.  This time Terry Gross interviews her on NPR's Fresh Air:

http://www.npr.org/2015/10/24/451116721/fresh-air-weekend-sarah-silverman-bridge-of-spies-the-living-bird

All comments are welcome...

Richard

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Re: Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2015, 11:20:20 PM »
I'm listening to the Sarah Silverman interview, well 21 minutes of it. I don't really know what to make of it.

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Re: Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2015, 08:22:26 PM »
Is it genetic if just contemplating Sarah Silverman gives me depression? :P

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Re: Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2015, 04:28:55 PM »
Thanks for providing these links, Dr. G.

I've had several people ask me to forward The Science of Success article.

A family member will have that DNA test performed soon to determine if SSRI's are something to be considered...... I didn't realize it's the same test referred to in the article. 

Who knew?

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Re: Daphne Merkin and Sarah Silverman on depression
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2015, 10:19:26 PM »
Hi Lighter,

You're very welcome.  I'm glad "The Science of Success" article was helpful!

Richard