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how do move away from this?
« on: March 08, 2005, 07:40:04 PM »
I have been dating someone for four years, whom I've recognized to have problems with commitment, but after doing a little more research and coming across the this topic,  I feel that he has many characteristics of a narcisisst.  He is truly self consumed, unempathetic, uses people for his own benefit, extreme inflated sense of self-worth....relationships in his life are limited to few people, ....and on his terms.  He certainly thinks he's important.  But, how do you know if someone is truly a narcisisst.

I have left him probably 12 times over the past 4 yrs. each time feeling as though my self esteen and self worth is about zilch.  I'm out of the relationship now and the problem I find now and each time before, is that my sense of self, what I want from a relationship and what a relationship should be is all distorted.  The things I should know naturally about what I want and what a relationship should be, I need to constantly remind myself of.  I know and have known, that what he does is all about him...and each time he returns is all about him.  It's just very confusing...and very hurtful.  I suppose this is typical of someone

Any advice about moving on and breaking this cycle I've been living for 4 yrs. would be helpful. I know it may seem simple....but even though I know it's wrong, i've lived it for this long, and don't want to keep living it over and over.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2005, 07:59:39 PM »
Forwardbound:  I love the name. In choosing that, I think you show faith in yourself.  I know what you feel is hard, believe me.  

My self worth was in the toilet with my ex and I remember, after one affair he had, actually saying to myself; "it must be real love if it hurts sooo much!"  Maybe that sounds amusing, or totally sick, but can you relate?
My mind would say that was nuts but I was so confused and hating myself (didn't quite realize that at the time) that his power over me meant I was at least alive somehow....and his behavoir kept me at his mercy.

It's ok. You'll be ok.  Recognizing you don't want that for your life is the first step.  Believing you don't have to or that you deserve so much more, is the next.  Don't worry about HOW you will accomplish getting your self image and power back.  Believe that you will and the little steps in that direction will come to you just as you move toward this goal.

Posting here is a good step.  Therapy is another good step.  You get to love yourself, you know.  It's truly the only way to ever love another....
Forgive yourself for starters.  We all do things that are not self loving.. it's human.  Love your humanity, your fragility.  It's not despicable, or bad, it's quite beautiful. It should be cherished. There are people in the world who know how to cherish that. You don't need to go looking anywhere for that person...look inside. It's far more important in this world for us to love ourselves than any other thing.

It may sound selfish at first, but it is the farthest thing from that... and, I believe, the only way to be happy.
Bless you....sending you light.  Keep posting.  People here are very helpful, I have found.

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2005, 08:14:34 PM »
Welcome forwardbound,
I have no experience in romance with an N so I will let other, wiser souls like mum advise you. I will tell you there are many wise and loving people here, and you can receive tremendous help just letting it out for others who have been through it to hear you. I did and still do.

Anyway keep posting, please.

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2005, 09:59:48 PM »
Welcome forward bound!  I love your name too.  I'm not sure I have any advice for you.  I'm struggling with a similar situation, which I won't detail here.  You are not alone!
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2005, 05:43:02 AM »
Try ‘Women who love too much’ by Robin Norwood, or any books that explain why women stay in bad (unsatisfactory) relationships, or go from one bad relationship to another, the repetition compulsion etc. Educating yourself with this sort of knowledge will probably change your life! I hope so.

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2005, 10:23:03 AM »
ForwardBound,
Welcome.  You will find the sounding board you need as you work through this process.

Having been married to an N for 23 years and now finally getting out, I would advise cutting your losses and moving on.  It is hard after 4 years to let go, but good for you to recognize the weaknesses of the relationship.  Mum is right about learning to love yourself before allowing someone else into your life.  I was vulnerable to my NH because I didn't love myself and didn't think I deserved someone who really loved and cared for me.

Good therapy is a Godsend to help you separate from the relationship.  

Keep posting and asking for any help and guidance you may need.

Brigid

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2005, 12:03:57 AM »
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But, how do you know if someone is truly a narcisisst.


Hi forwardbound- welcome.

I dated someone very similar sounding to you.  My relationship lasted 5 years but I don't think so literally, as like you, we had constant separations.  Things can't get too intimate for N's (narcissists)  or those with N traits, and when they feel things are getting too close they create reasons/situations for breakups. Things like starting huge arguments over nothing that lead to them separating from you, or them provoking you with things they know hurt you, all the while acting like they are oblivious they are hurting you, so you will be the one to split up with them.  That way they make it look like you are the one that wanted to end the relationship in the first place, and that they are a mere "victim" of your wishes.  

Boy do they ever twist around everything.... I'd almost forgotten how much.  No wonder it's hard to tell up from down when you get out of the relationship.  

There is such thing as someone with N traits, and I believe that is exactly what my x boyfriend had.  Not full blown maligant narcissism, but traits.

I determined the dif. by reading all I could on narcissism and reading & interacting on these N boards with a passion for many months just after we split up.   That was a year & about 8 -9 months ago now.  

About how to move on-- the only thing I can think to say, is to just do it.   If I gave myself that advice at the time it would not have helped, so I don't know if you find it helpful either.  But that is what finally worked for me & so many others.  It is not easy at all when you still feel attracted in some form, but zero contact and taking things day by day is how a lot of people finally let go.  Before you know it 1, 2, 3 months have passed (albeit painful months) but your perspective will very slowly begin to change.   If you can keep up the absolute zero contact for say, a year, it will help you very much.   You will gain a lot of strength and self insight.    

I truly wish you the very best....

BT

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2005, 12:47:20 AM »
Hi Forwardbound and welcome:

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I find now and each time before, is that my sense of self, what I want from a relationship and what a relationship should be is all distorted. The things I should know naturally about what I want and what a relationship should be, I need to constantly remind myself of.


I'm not sure you can convince yourself to want something that you think is what you should naturally want.

I'm not sure about that at all.  Maybe it's possible?

Have you tried making a list of what you want from a relationship and seeing if it makes sence, once it's written on paper infront of you?

More importantly....I think you've hit something big.....your sence of self.

Once you untangle that.....the rest may fall nicely into place.

Best wishes to you from me. :D

GFN

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2005, 06:26:38 AM »
Thanks for all the replies and especially the encouragement.  It is so greatly appreciated.

I have already done some of the things suggested, like making a list of what I want from a relationship.  I've known for some time that he's not the person I want or need. The charming, attentive person he was in the beginning just doesn't exist. He lives his life day to day just catering to himself. It's so hard to imagine how someone could be that way.

I also like the advice that "you're allowed to love yourself".  You kind of lose sight of that in the midst of all of this. I do like who I am, and I need to keep reminding myself of that. Being involved with some like I have, you just lose sight of yourself, and feel like there must be something wrong for him not to love me and be with me. Logically, you know that's not true, but emotions get mixed up.

Thanks again for your support!! :D

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2005, 07:10:19 AM »
Forwardbound:

Welcome to this board.  It is hard when your in the midst of a relationship to sort things out.  The light blub went off for me when I began to realize that all the effort to maintain my relationship with my SO was coming from me.  My SO was an  opportunist par excellance' and I was  very naive.  When they say "love is blind" I can really attest to that.  GFN is right, make a list about what you want out of a realtionship and your life.  The best thing to do, and it is hard, is to cut the relationship off and have no contact. You can have a different kind of life without the N.

Been there.  Keep posting here as the advice and experiences we share are very helpful and affirming.  Patz

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 07:57:08 PM »
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I find now and each time before, is that my sense of self, what I want from a relationship and what a relationship should be is all distorted. The things I should know naturally about what I want and what a relationship should be, I need to constantly remind myself of.



What I meant by that in my previous post is.....that I think that when dealing with my partner, I tried to adjust to what I thought I needed to be in order to fit the relationship and keep it going. At one time, he put up such a good front, the reality of what's happening at the present just isn't what your'e basing the relationship on. My needs and wants that are natural to me ...I just put aside after dealing with him for so long. I don't know if I'm explaining myself well still....just my own perception, I feel, has been distorted. I perceived him to be someone so wonderful when in reality, based on what he was doing.....clearly isn't the case. At the same time, emotions still take charge. If he acted like such a jacka-- in the beginning, I wouldn't be where I am now.

I don't know if anyone can relate....I wasn't sure whether I relayed what I meant earlier....still not sure, it's difficult to explain.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005, 09:55:20 PM »
Hi Forwardbound,

After a failed marriage and failed relationship, I am now in a live-in relationship I believe to be worthwhile for the long term. I already have raised children to adulthood so have had a lot of opportunity to focus on having an "even" relationship.

However, I found it difficult in the past relationships - and even now - to recognise the signs of Narcissism, and even with non-narcissists, to assert my rights. If you can work on yourself during this period of post-relationship recovery, you can establish a strong persona with a clear sense of your own boundaries. During this time, as you meet people, observe whether they are truly considerate of you and others in their circle. Listen carefully to their speech. Are they constantly saying "I did this.. I did that." Are they always making the decisions? Do they take responsibility for what they have become, or are they forever blaming others for their circumstances? Do other people whom you trust want to be friends with them? Keep a notebook with a page for each person you meet, and make notes. This type of mental exercise will get you closer to discerning healthy/unhealthy people.

Also, when you meet someone, don't just go along with what they want to do. Ask casually for something you want to do (eg. go to a particular restaurant) and see if they try to get out of it. Find out the score early.

If you are not sure what is reasonable, observe others whom you admire, in action. How do they negotiate their needs?

I hope this helps.

S

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2005, 07:36:25 AM »
Welcome Forwardbound.

I think you are explaining yourself just fine.

You can break this cycle you are in....I'm sure of it.  Believe me, if I was able to do it then anyone can.  

One of the things that helped me *get back on my feet* during my divorce from N was therapy.  Admittingly, I was not big on therapy but it turns out that if you find the right therapist, he/she can help you by jumpstarting your life without N.

You sound like a wonderful person who has a lot to offer someone who will actually appreciate all your beauty.  Don't deny yourself of that any longer.  

I'm assuming you don't have children with this man.  Take that as a blessing.  You can make a clean break and don't ever look back.

Keep posting and best wishes.

Brigid

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2005, 08:19:43 AM »
Forwardbound,

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that I think that when dealing with my partner, I tried to adjust to what I thought I needed to be in order to fit the relationship and keep it going.


BINGO!!  I did this for 22 years.  I always felt like I was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole to make our relationship work.  And all the work came from me.  When my N H left he said he was tired of living life the way everyone else wanted him to live and he would now live the way he wanted to.  What CRAP!  The reality was that he always did exactly what he wanted to and the rest of us adjusted.  

As Mia said, be very grateful you do not have children with this man (at least I don't think you do) so you can have a clean break.  I also agree that therapy is the best route and joining a divorce support group can be very helpful as well.

Good Luck and God Bless.   :D

Brigid

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2005, 08:40:19 AM »
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When my N H left he said he was tired of living life the way everyone else wanted him to live and he would now live the way he wanted to. What CRAP! The reality was that he always did exactly what he wanted to and the rest of us adjusted.


My X N pulled the same crap.  Whatever it was that he was doing he would turn it around on me.  He still does that to this day.  Typical N behavior I suppose.