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jdm

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« on: April 15, 2005, 10:26:02 AM »
I just need to put this somewhere.  When I was a child, I was molested by a neighbor.  It was not violent sexual abuse, but certainly it would have been enough, even by the standards of the day, to land the man in jail.  

My parents eventually learned what was going on.  My mother went and talked to the neighbor and his wife (I'm not sure that my father went), and it stopped--sort of.  The man continued to watch the upstairs of my parents' house from the upper porch of his house (which was an apartment over a garage).  He told me that he watched.  We grew up without air conditioning, and there was a second-floor porch off one of the bedrooms.  Throughout the summer, that porch door was left open, and it was directly opposite the man's porch.  It was really creepy to see his cigarette in the dark on his porch.

Neither of my parents ever said a word to me about what happened.  When the man died, I said to my mother that he was not a good person and I was not sorry that he was no longer on earth.  She asked me why.  I said, "Well, he molested me."  She said she didn't understand why I had to bring that up, since it was nothing important, and that I shouldn't be so mean about the dead.

In the subsequent years, my father died.  My mother, very lonely and socially inept, started spending time with his wife and her sister.  Those two women have become my mother's main social support system.

Now the man's wife is dying.  My mother has asked me to attend the funeral.  Although I would certainly survive the experience, I'd rather not.  I just don't want to honor these people in any way.  I don't wish them harm, but I'd rather keep my distance.

I told my mother calmly that I just didn't want to attend the funeral.  I asked if she could get one of my sisters to go with her.  She said she didn't understand why I was being so cruel to her and keeping alive events that were "nothing" in the first place.

I have to admit, I feel very betrayed.  I was somewhat surprised when my mother started to pal around with this man's wife.  If it were my child, I would have never spoken to either of them again.  I might even have moved if I could afford to do so--especially once I knew about the upper-porch thing.

Believe me, this has not been a dominant force in my life.  But it did happen, and I feel pretty lousy that even after all these years, my mother won't understand that it had an aftermath.

If anybody reads this and thinks I'm just being ridiculously sensitive, I'll understand.  Maybe my perspective is just wrong.  I don't hate this man's wife--I asked her to my mother's 75th birthday party, I send her Christmas cards, I always speak politely to her when I'm visiting home--but I also know that she stayed with a man known throughout the neighborhood as a child molester.  And I was one of his victims.  And that makes me shudder a bit.

Anonymous

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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2005, 10:48:05 AM »
I too was molested as a child, years ago. It was a time when we all lived the "Leave It to Beaver" life. Everything was great. If anything interfered with that "perfect" life-it was buried. No one wanted to talk about it-not like today at all.

I lived my life as you did, hiding the shame, going forward with dignity. But deep inside the "bitterness" does still lie. I do have empathy for you, I would not want to attend the funeral either.

Stormchild

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2005, 11:01:44 AM »
Your perspective is absolutely 100% correct.

What happened to you would be called stalking, as well as molestation, these days.

Your mother should be ashamed for her failure to protect and care for you. I know that if you had a daughter and she went through what you did, you would have done everything in your power to protect her, and hear her, and get her justice.

I'm sorry that your mother's denial has never been broken, and that her selfishness is still being put ahead of your welfare.

Are you working with anyone on these issues? Believe me, it can help tremendously to find the care and support later on, that you were denied when you needed it most.

I briefly dated a man whom I came to suspect of something just as vile as what happened to you - but I was never sure enough and never certain enough of the identity of the victim to report it. I couldn't get away from him fast enough. So I don't give the man's wife a pass, either.


(((((jdm)))))

Brigid

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2005, 11:36:51 AM »
jdm,

I was molested at the age of 9 by my best friend's older brother.  He was 14 and she was 11.  She begged me not to tell any adults at the time because she didn't want her brother to get in trouble.  So I never told my parents or any other adult.  It wasn't until I had a daughter of my own that was getting close to that age that I began to realize the impact that event had on my life.  I was so afraid something like that could happen to her and she might not tell me.  To this day I can remember every detail of the experience, right down to the sounds and smells of what was around me.  

It is a very traumatic experience to live through and I don't blame you at all for not wanting to honor this man's wife by attending her funeral.  I'm not sure how my mother would have reacted had I ever told her about this, but I suspect it would have been the same as yours did (mine is now dead).

Brigid

Anonymous

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2005, 11:51:36 AM »
Hi jdm:

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... just don't want to honor these people in any way. I don't wish them harm, but I'd rather keep my distance.


You have absolutely no obligation to attend that funeral and your feelings are totally valid.  Anyone would probably feel the same.

Good for you for not wishing harm on your abuser/s!  That is a good attitude and shows you are more than kind.

How dare your mother say that your molestation was "nothing important" and "nothing"!!!

Her response was nothing.   Nothing useful or helpful or loving or motherish!!   Sorry she hurt you over again.  :(  Sorry you had to go on pretending it didn't happen and being silent about the pain it caused you. :(

No wonder you felt/feel betrayed!  She denied it was anything!!  It was something---something wrong and sick and harmful!  It's like calling you a liar!   I'm sorry she didn't believe this was anything and I'm sorry how that must hurt too, almost worse! :(.

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If anybody reads this and thinks I'm just being ridiculously sensitive, I'll understand. Maybe my perspective is just wrong.


Quite to the contrary.  You are being more than reasonable.  Some people might be tempted to go the funeral and cause a scene.  Your perspective is very kind, considering some of the things you could think, or say, or do about the people involved, especially your mother.  I admire your gentle way.

((((((((((jdm)))))))))

GFN

Anonymous

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2005, 11:59:17 AM »
Dear Brigid:

Sorry that happened to you. :(   Sorry you didn't get any support over all that time.  That must have been awful hard on you.

((((((((Brigid)))))))

Your daughter is lucky to have you! :!:

GFN

P

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2005, 12:10:23 PM »
Jdm, Guest and Brigid

You all have my anger on your behalf.

Jdm, it’s not worth staying around people who deny your reality so completely, presumably hiding their own fear, ignorance, self-hatred etc etc.

Sorry I’m too angry to say more. I’m sorry for all children who are used and abused. I wish I could hug you but my hugs might be too fierce right now. Portia

Anonymous

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2005, 12:19:20 PM »
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I lived my life as you did, hiding the shame, going forward with dignity.


I'm sorry Guest, somehow I missed your post.

((((((((Guest))))))).

You did nothing wrong, Guest.  Not a thing.  Shame is for people who do something wrong (and we all do sometimes, I don't mean to say anyone is perfect).  But you have done no wrong in this.  Only your abuser is responsible, no matter what the circumstances.

Good for you for keeping your dignity and going ahead!  You also, have not let adversity destroy you.  That is also very admirable.

GFN

Stormchild

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2005, 12:24:04 PM »
oh brigid, oh guest...... how awful, i'm so sorry, oh god.

 :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(

i'm sitting with you and jdm too

crying for you

Anonymous

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2005, 12:26:32 PM »
jdm,

You handled it with aplomb by simply stating you weren't going. You don't have to explain, defend or justify it. If your mom doesn't like it, she can just deal with her own feelings. You've had to deal with yours without her help. She needs to get in touch with this reality -- you are no longer going to cater to her fantasies that nothing happened. If she doesn't like it, too bad. It's not your problem.

Brigid, I'm so sorry for what happened. :-(

bunny

promqueencasualty

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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2005, 01:15:34 PM »
Quote from: jdm
...I shouldn't be so mean about the dead.


...to which I would've responded, "OK, Mom, you want me to say something good about this dead guy? Here you go: 'he's dead...GOOD!'"

 
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...I just didn't want to attend the funeral.  I asked if she could get one of my sisters to go with her.  She said she didn't understand why I was being so cruel to her and keeping alive events that were "nothing" in the first place.


I'm sorry, jdm---I know that this is your mother---but she has a really warped idea of what constitutes "cruelty."  Keeping company with the spouse of your child's known molester is cruel, and trying to minimize or ignore the trauma inflicted upon your child at the hands of your neighbor is cruel.

Just hearing your story makes me want to yell at your mother(how dare she?!), so it goes without saying that I think you are one gracious human being for handling this the way you are.

Brigid and Guest: I am so outraged and sad for the child in each of you who was left unprotected and subsequently violated...I am so sorry.

PQC

(((((jdm, Brigid, Guest)))

vunil as guest

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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2005, 01:25:30 PM »
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If anybody reads this and thinks I'm just being ridiculously sensitive



NO!  Please don't ever think that about standing up for yourself.

I am so sorry to hear your story, and everyone else's story.  I have a similar one, too, eerily similar.  

The lackidaisical (however you spell that!) way in which my parents judged where I should spend time, and with whom, combined with their utterly unacceptably bland response when I told them what happened to me (30 years later-- I am not as brave as you, JDM!), combined with all of the stories here lead me to a conclusion I hope doesn't make anyone mad:

I think child molestation is so common because many parents let it happen.  Certainly it can happen to the best parents, but I just don't think it would be so prevalent if there weren't such shitty parents out there who basically volunteer their kids for abuse.

I mean, look at these families who let their kids sleep alone with Michael Jackson years after the abuse allocations! (apologies if anyone feels he is innnocent-- maybe he is, but we can all agree that we wouldn't leave our little boy with him, just in case...)

JDM, I am so sorry.  Don't go to the funeral!  If you mother does not understand that you will not go to the funeral of the wife of a man who molested you, then she is nutty.  (Sometimes typing out what is going on helps-- look what she is asking of you!).  Feel free to look at her like she is insane when she asks you, laugh, and change the subject.

sending positive thoughts your way (and some anger toward you mother),
vunil[/quote]

Anonymous

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2005, 01:33:45 PM »
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Shame is for people who do something wrong


The shameful feelings come because there was no physical pain in being molested. As sex should be, it did not feel "bad", phsysically. We were too young to know exactly how wrong it was in those days. No one talked about it.

I try to never think about that time. But this post has brought it to the surface again. I was 9, my sister was 7. We were both molested by our own brother-who was 11. It ended almost as soon as it started.

As an adult, I tried to sort through this childhood experience. Children are curious, could that be why it happened? Could that be why my mother never scolded my brother for it? Kids will be kids??

Or was it the fact that my brother had a Boy Scout leader who "liked" the boys a bit too much? The molested will become the molester??

We lived in a Catholic community. Many years after growing up, it came to light that many children had been molested in our community by a former priest who had then been "caught" in a bigger city nearby.

I still sometimes feel a twinge of anger at my mother for ignoring what was going on with her own children. And at a community that was always hiding something-you could just tell.....

But in the end, my siblings and I get along great now-we however, do not bring up that part of our past. But, I am sure that we all have a watchful eye out where our children, or any child for that matter, is concerned when it comes to any type of child abuse.

I am just so glad that TODAY we live in a time when children don't have to be afraid to speak.

Anonymous

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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2005, 02:05:04 PM »
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We were too young to know exactly how wrong it was in those days.


You didn't know it was wrong.  There is no shame in that.  There is no shame when wrong is not known about.  It's like expecting a kid to know algebra in kindergarden.  Children don't automatically know everything that's wrong or right.

If your mother taught you to steal and you stole and it didn't bother you to steal and it even was fun to steal and years later......you find out how wrong it was to steal and how much stealing hurt others.....

I understand how you feel shame about it,,, but if you did not know that it was wrong..... then how could you help stealing or enjoying stealing?  Were you supposed to automatically know?   You trusted your teacher.  What crime is that?

If the person teaching you to steal is someone you feel trust for, how are you to know otherwise?  You may get a natural feeling that something isn't right and stop or you may be convinced to ignor it and go on.  

The shame belongs to the adults who violated the children (and taught them to steal....knowing full well how wrong it was!!)  The shame belongs to whoever was abusing your brother (boy scout leader, priest???) for teaching him wrong.

I'm glad you and your sibs get along "great now"!   That is wonderful to hear!

 ((((((Guest)))))

Hope the boy scout leader and priest were stopped!

GFN

vunil as guest

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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2005, 02:54:13 PM »
I know what you mean about the shame.  It isn't rational.  It's just there.  For me, I always experienced it as a feeling that this shameful thing happened to me, and so I would seem shameful if I talked about it-- not that it was my fault, but that it was not something to mention.  Almost like it was tacky, if that word makes sense.  And I do think you have to be careful with whom you do tell because most people are not equipped to respond properly.  The more I think about it, the more I think parents are the last people to tell.  Unless they are very well adjusted, which is less likely with abused kids (because there is more of a chance of neglect leading to the abuse), then parents just don't respond properly.  And when they respond badly, it can really hurt


Knowing that they will respond as if we have just picked our nose in public or something (and let us know we are to hush up and stop bringing it up) probably adds to that shame, unconsciously.

These memories live in the minds of seven year olds or whatever and aren't going to have logical adult reasoning to them.  It took me years even to know what to call what happened to me-- my seven year old self didn't know.  I knew it wasn't to be mentioned, but I didn't know the words for it.  And also I secretly wondered if it happened to me because I was special-- the abusers always act like special friends who have singled out the child.  So the shame comes from that, too, from not making it stop (even though we didn't know how to-- I'm not saying it's rational) and from liking the attention.

(Which I guess adds to my theory that often parents are to blame for abuse-- a child who felt accepted and loved wouldn't search out the attentions of someone else so much).