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mum

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« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2005, 10:57:55 AM »
(((((Newby))))))
I'm so sorry.  I remember that when I "caught" my ex in the last affair,
I felt as if the bottom of my gut had disappeared.  As if I had lost the ground I was standing on.  Even though the ground was horrible, toxic, even, at least it was under my feet.
I was FORCED, I felt, into action to protect myself, the future emotional health of my children, etc.  That it all came down to one moment was so overwhelming.  And yet....it was simple.  I want out.  Of all of it.  I want out of this game where the rules keep changing and I am never ever playing it right.  I want a sane life.

He, of course, instantly said "who is he?" No big mystery as to why he thought there must be someone else (he obviously always had another waiting)...it wasn't enough that I wanted ME back?

It's crazy time, that's all.  Hang in there.  I read a book, I think, called Crazy Time....it's about getting healthy again after a divorce.  I didn't read it until after my second divorce..... should have read it after the first.
It's about what you are trying to do.  Get your bearings, find yourself again, before you follow a habit/pattern and get into another unhealthy relationship.

I feel for you. I know this hurts.  As an American, body obsessed woman, the only good I really saw from it (tongue in cheek here) was that I lost a ton of weight (I really didn't have to lose) and had a super model's body. Wore a bikini for the first (and last!) time.  We call it the divorce diet.
Then I had a mysterious lung disease and landed in the hospital....so I don't recommend it!!! :roll:

Hang in there. There are lots of us on this journey.  I have a mentor who says, "there is no such thing as a mistake".  I think about that a lot.  It is soothing.

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« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2005, 11:24:42 AM »
I see your point on no mistakes, just learning experiences. Right now I can't see the daylight.  As far as the health thing, I have always been healthy and never let that slip.  I lift weights, do cardio and eat well so I maintain a constant weight with body fat around 10%. I am not a fanatic as I only spend 30-40 minutes a day on exercise.  I understand the importance of being physically strong to withstand emotional storms.  I believe in healthy maintenance of the mind, body and spirit.  This thing just set me on my ear.  I know according to Romans 8:28 that God works all things for good who love him; but, I just thought I would neve be dealing with this sort of stuff. I thought I left this behind me 14 years ago.

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« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2005, 12:15:10 PM »
I think the main thing I learned lately: that you never have it totally together.
Just when you think you've got a handle on things: WHAM!  You don't. It's the fluidity of life that this teaches us.  Acknowledging that we are human, that frailty is an essential part of us is very scary.  There is no solid ground.  It's not there.  It's always changing.  

But in knowing that, it's not that it makes life any easier, it just makes us less attached to figuring it all out, and gives us a chance to forgive ourselves for not knowing it all.

I think this sums it up for me: "Let go.  Attachment equals suffering."
It's a choice.  I mean the suffering.  Pain is inevitable, really, because we are human, but taking pain as a learning tool and not making it a lifestyle is a choice.  Best learned while slogging through the swamps of pain, unfortunately...

You'll be ok.  I remember feeling like I was on the bottom of the ocean, not really sure if I should hang out down there (couldn't get any lower) or maybe come up again, swim out, as it were.  But it was when I realized I was down there by choice, that I got to decide to explore how bad it felt (very important, by the way, IMO) and how long I would do it, that I saw my way up again.  
Realizing it was a choice...my choice....was so empowering for me.  And that's something I needed to get good at: realizing and using my power instead of feeling like a victim.

Now, I should let you know that this was 9 years ago, and a mere year and a half ago, I found myself, yet again, at the bottom....a different part of that ocean, but still the bottom.  And I learned that all over again.   Slow learner.   But I can see now, that I spend less and less time down there, mucking about, because with repetition, I have learned a new habit of picking myself up and choosing some other way to do things.  

And I fully expect I will get my face in the mud again, and will be saying "didn't I already learn this?  Man, this stinks!!"  And then I will figure it out again, and make another choice....again.

The idea that we, as humans, can have it all, figure it all out, have all the answers is a waste of energy, in my opinion. We spend so much time arguing that we know what is right or true, becoming attached to that, as if it defines us, that we miss life entirely.  Some things we are attached to DO define us, as in those who struggle for a public cause... but knowing how brief this life is, how it can change in a instant is as humbling as it is shocking.
There are sooooo many ways to do life, and all so interesting.  
I made a decision to set my intention to be loving and to try my best to have that guide my choices.  Beyond that, the ground I walk on is ever changing.  But I have faith that I can deal with that, and if I try and stay connected to a higher self/consiousness (God?) I can get a little help there.....

I hope to be helpful, not preachy.  All in all, you have to go through this yourself...all the advice in the world will only help when the time is right.
I wish you well.  Sending you light and love, Newby.

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« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2005, 01:01:30 PM »
Mum,
Thank you for the heart-felt response.  I don't view advice as preachy.  The more I learn the more I realize how little I know. I don't have that sick gut wrenching feeling in my stomach; but, I do feel depressed and uncertain of my future. I guess this will teach me to not look past today. My basic needs are being met so I guess I shouldn't complain and feel sorry for myself.   I thought you reconciled with the great guy?  Did that hit a snag a year and a half ago?

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« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2005, 01:38:33 PM »
No, we are still together (great guy and I) The glitch is in that my ex has thus far prevented me from moving out of state.  I can move, my children cannot....(like I would leave them!!!)
My ex is frequently not even in the country, so it's additionally unfair in many people's opinions....long story. Custodial parents get screwed in this state....and not so coincidentally, most of them are women...(ok, I won't get started!).
 I have hope, though, and would not trade my situation for anything, because it is what it is, and I have two great kids, and a wonderful man (who happens to live far away).  Bottom line, he won't leave his child and I won't leave mine. (Plus, we don't want to live here!)  It's all good.
Things change all the time.

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« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2005, 01:40:18 PM »
Oh, and as far as feeling sorry for yourself? Go ahead.  It's a necessary step.  I wouldn't miss that one!!  My kids got me out of that stage, but it was important for me to go through it.

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« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2005, 02:01:56 PM »
Newby,
I can totally identify with everything you are feeling and the deep hurt and devastation that has been left behind by the ending of your marriage.  Within 2 weeks of sending my first child off to college, I found out that my xh was having an affair, was addicted to pornography, had been lying to me for most of our marriage (22 years at that time) about the lack of intimacy, and the list goes on.  I was CLUELESS to any of it.  I knew the marriage wasn't perfect, but I was in it for the long haul, thought we loved each other enough to work through any problems and totally and completely trusted him.

Feeling like the rug was pulled out from under me doesn't begin to describe it.  My world turned upside down in less than 2 months and I was left gasping for air.  I dropped to 110 lbs. (I'm 5'6"), couldn't sleep without medication, couldn't eat without medication and truly felt like I had entered the twilight zone.  

21 months later, I am finally divorced (3 weeks today),  back to a healthy weight (have been for some time), have been off antidepressants for over a year and generally feel good about life.  I am still lonely at times, but I have my children with me and that makes me very happy.  Learning of my xh's n personality has been helpful to me for healing.  Knowing that the wheels would have come off the marriage at some point no matter what, makes me glad that it did not go any longer than it did.

Therapy has been essential for my healing.  Joining a divorce support group (where interestingly enough, most of us were dealing with n personalities) has been very helpful as well.  You must walk through all the pain and hurt in order to get to the other side.  You will have setbacks, but they will become less and less painful and you will recover more quickly each time.  

The lessons I have learned from this horrible experience have been priceless, however.  I will never take life for granted any more.  I don't sweat the small stuff any more.  I value my friends more than I can say, and I will always be the first person there when a friend is in need because I now know the importance of that support.  It helps to look at the positive aspects of this painful experience when I am in a low point.  It helps to put things in perspective and see what is really important in life.

I wish you well as you take the journey to find your healthy self and with any luck a healthy new relationship as well.

Blessings,

Brigid

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« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2005, 03:54:36 PM »
Mum, It sounds like you are at a very good place with alot to look forward to. My hat is off to you.

Brigid,
You are going through a horrible ordeal and I am sure your xh will one day look back with a lot of regret. It is great that you have good children to keep you busy and give you something to look forward to.  I feel like I have a new set of friends at this forum and I want to thank you all for the warm welcome.  I have had some good friends who have been there for me but I am trying to dump on them less as it is selfish.  I need to become positive and healthy again so I attract the right kind of people. I believe the next time I will spend some time courting the person with no physical involment so we can truly get to know more about each other and become friends first.  No more of this quick passionate romance stuff for me.   An N or BPD would never have the patience or self-discipline to last through a non-physical courtship.  Maybe the bible had it right all along?

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« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2005, 06:12:01 PM »
Newby, once again I'll say that it sounds like you are on the right track.  I realize that it doesn't feel good at the moment, but it will get better and better every day.  Have faith and hang in there.

One thing that has helped me tremendously is to ask myself "Where would I be right now if I had never met her?"  Where would I want to be living?  Where would I have chosen to work and be working now?  Who would my friends be?  How would I feel?  How would I view the world without this hurt?  What would I want to do right now, or this weekend, or after work today?  What do I like in food, entertainment, home decorating?  Basically separating out what is truly me from the results of the relationship and the hurt and trying to "fix" things by submerging myself.  Most of the time I become more aware of myself and my likes and dislikes.  Sometimes I realize that I would not have this friend, or go to that favorite restaurant if she had not been in my life at that time.  What matters in the end is re-finding myself again in all that mess and throwing out the mess that isn't me.
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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2005, 08:38:45 AM »
I agree with you Longtire about refinding yourself.  I have to admit that I only lost myself in the last year.  Prior to that, I really frustrated her by continuing to some of the things I enjoyed.  I knew I couldn't give in completely because there would be nothing left of what I stood for and what attracted her to me in the first place.  She decided to end the marriage because she felt we had different dreams and goals. This wasn't true but it was her reality because I attempted to maintain some individuality.