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d'smom

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betrayal trauma - "betrayal blindness" - website
« on: August 24, 2005, 08:27:37 PM »
hi everyone. im wanting to share a really interesting website i found just now that talks about the concept of 'betrayal blindness'.  its really about repressing memories of trauma but i thought these parts were applicable to us here.


the url is - <http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/defineBT.html>

ive cut out a few bits becuase its so interesting compared to what people so often refer to, why its so hard to identify when people are abusing us sometimes, why people are willing to tolerate bad treatment in exchange for some of these questionable relationships.....   here are the excerpts (bold print added):



Betrayal trauma theory posits that there is a social utility in remaining unaware of abuse when the perpetrator is a caregiver (Freyd, 1994, 1996). The theory draws on studies of social contracts (e.g., Cosmides, 1989) to explain why and how humans are excellent at detecting betrayals; however, Freyd argues that under some circumstances detecting betrayals may be counter-productive to survival. Specifically, in cases where a victim is dependent on a caregiver, survival may require that she/he remain unaware of the betrayal....

For a child who depends on a caregiver for basic survival, withdrawing may actually be at odds with ultimate survival goals, particularly when the caregiver responds to withdrawal by further reducing caregiving or increasing violence. In such cases,
the child's survival would be better ensured by being blind to the betrayal and isolating the knowledge of the event, thus remaining engaged with the caregiver.


i think its very interesting,  in that in order to maintain this -relationship- with this caregiver, you have to do this becoming 'blind' to the trauma, betrayal, and abuse.... ie, learning to function in a continual state of denying or looking past when people abuse you... she goes on -


DePrince (2005) found that the presence of betrayal trauma before the age of 18 was associated with pathological dissociation and with revictimization after age 18. She also found that individuals who report being revictimized in young adulthood following an interpersonal assault in childhood perform worse on reasoning problems that involve interpersonal relationships and safety information compared to individuals who have not been revictimized.


which i read to mean, if you develop this betrayal blindness, it can be a reason for this continued revictimisation into adulthood like 90% of us seem to experience.....  that it comes with sometimes an impaired ability to reason and solve problems involving interpersonal skills and judgment....... i think this is really interesting.

info from her  faq:



What is betrayal blindness?

Betrayal blindness is the unawareness, not-knowing, and forgetting exhibited by people towards betrayal (Freyd, 1996, 1999). This blindness may extend to betrayals that are not traditionally considered "traumas," such as adultery, inequities in the workplace and society, etc.
Both victims, perpetrators, and witnesses may display betrayal blindness in order to preserve relationships, institutions, and social systems upon which they depend. (Also, see Helen Garrod's discussion of "Political Betrayal Trauma" and Eileen Zurbriggen's essay on Betrayal Trauma in the 2004 Election.)


it says straight out that people practice this blindness in order to preserve relationships on which they believe they depend.  it seems as though this is lingering into adult relationships in lots of our cases and we are extending this blindness to relationships on which we only imagine we depend.... like these nasty friends and boyfriends etc. 

i just thought this was some food for thought here.
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Re: betrayal trauma - "betrayal blindness" - website
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2005, 08:32:12 PM »
sorry that was confusing, it wasnt bold print, italics.
sorry!

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2005, 11:08:09 PM »
Thanks for posting this. Consider putting it up on the other board too? I know, I sound like a broken record, but I think it's neat for us to have a 'treasure trove' of sites like this, over there where it isn't so busy and stuff is easier to find...

Boy does this site speak to me. It answers some pretty profound questions I've had for years, about how people can live with themselves when they enable stuff like sex and race discrimination at work, ignore or collude with bullies at work, and so on. Simple. So simple. It's easy to live with things you have spent your life learning never to see. This is like denial raised to the nth times n, but it helps me see how tenacious denial can be... and how the degree of denial one 'catches' may depend more than I realized on the type of abuse one 'caught' and when one 'caught' it.

Thanks again for finding this site and for sharing it.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2005, 11:12:29 PM by Stormchild »

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Re: betrayal trauma - "betrayal blindness" - website
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2005, 01:14:28 PM »

it says straight out that people practice this blindness in order to preserve relationships on which they believe they depend.  it seems as though this is lingering into adult relationships in lots of our cases and we are extending this blindness to relationships on which we only imagine we depend.... like these nasty friends and boyfriends etc. 

i just thought this was some food for thought here.
ds mom





I'm sure this is the kind of thing happening with me.  I know full well that I accept as 'normal' behaviours which I would not for one minute accept if aimed at my daughter.  I know that, and know that it is illogical - irrational even - and yet the beliefs remain.  They go very deep.   :?

For this reason, I tolerate a lot of abusive behaviour before I complain.  Even ordinary, everyday abuses, which I ought to have resilience against, and don't.

As an example, I have been asking my neighbour if I can borrow his ladder for well over a year, for a five minute repair to my guttering.  Each time I remind him he says 'yes' and each time he doesn't arrive with it, and I am left feeling really terrible, and not knowing what to do or say next.  We set days, and the days go.  We make arrangements, and I wait, and he is too busy doing other things and it never happens. 

Then last weekend we had another day arranged - Sunday.  I went to his home twice and each time he was going to do it, as soon as he had finished x, y and z.  Well, finally it got to half past seven at night, and I went to his house and said, this is not going to happen is it?  He said, yes it is, in a little while.  So I said to him, I would personally never fall out with anyone over a ladder, but it looks as if you would.  When do I get to be important to you, when I have been waiting patiently now for over a year, and it still is not done?  Why don't you admit that this is never going to happen?

I didn't lose my temper, and I didn't call him names.  I came home, and five minutes later he knocked at my door, armed with said ladder.  At first I told him to go away, but he insisted on doing the gutter for me.   :shock:

Now I am left wondering why it took me being what I define as 'nasty', before he met my needs.  Why was nice not the right thing to be, when it actually told him he could put me off for months on end, while my gutters continued leaking all over my wall?  This is about boundaries, and about what I allowed him to do, I suppose.  And also about not knowing my own strength to communicate that what is important to me is also important to him.  It was only at the point of what I regard as making threats (but was in fact quite mild, I suppose) that he responded.  Bizarre.

Sorry for the ramble.  Thanks for the link.

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Re: betrayal trauma - "betrayal blindness" - website
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2005, 03:17:52 PM »
I was talking in therapy about exactly this yesterday.  About how I am unable to sustain the belief that my ex has abused and betrayed me even though the evidence is so clear.  My therapist said the same thing.  She was saying that as a child, if I admitted to the fact that my parents did not give me the care I needed emotionally etc then where would that leave me.  So I became 'blind' to it and channeled all the anger into myself.  I have done the same thing all my life and this is why I am having such a hard time believing that my ex was abusive even though the evidence is clear.  I preferred to stay in the fantasy even though the reality was staring me right between the eyes.  It may as well have been invisible though and even though I am writing this down I still have doubts.  It is so powerful this blindness or denial that it must become an intrinsic coping mechanism.  Due to this site and my therapy I am having to look at some of this stuff for the first time and I am really battling against it mentally.

"that people practice this blindness in order to preserve relationships on which they believe they depend" - This has so been me over the past three years.  well over most of my life really. 

The trouble is what do you do when the veil starts to lift...

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Re: betrayal trauma - "betrayal blindness" - website
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2005, 08:49:32 PM »
Thank you d's mom.  that was a very enlightening post.  I feel like we are all in a darkened room and you opened the door and brought in a lantern.  Thank you.


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The trouble is what do you do when the veil starts to lift...
Spyralle

Yes, that is the scary part.  When I reached that part I was trembling with fear.  I was too afraid to go to therapy even though everyone here emphatically urged me to and my anger was shooting out like fireworks.  I feel that I need my stuff to seep out gradually, not have my cover blown in an instant.  I was/am afraid to fall apart.  So I settle for a slight wind that I can sort of control (this group) to lift the veil a little at a time.  I feel too fragile to do it otherwise.  If I feel too vulnerable, I just stay off the board or throw myself on everyone's mercy.  It is working for me so far.  And no health insurance issues!
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Re: betrayal trauma - "betrayal blindness" - website
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2005, 02:24:17 AM »
hey thanks guys that makes me feel appreciated. :) it sure explained a lot to me. it explained a lot about how enablers do what they do, which ive always been totally lost about. i guess thats why my mom (Nabler)  'cant remember' all that stuff that happened - she really didnt even see it.....:}.... i always though she was just stupid and weak.....:}. i guess it was actually more than that. (can you tell i dont think much of her anyway?) i still think shes pretty darn spineless for not protecting her own kids. but at least i understand - it was very likely some type of defense mechanism on her part.

stormy, i will try to post it on the other list.

all of your answers though just make me think more and more about this in further depth, things ive been wondering about for some time now..... it just gives me questions.

for instance - october you say:

So I said to him, I would personally never fall out with anyone over a ladder, but it looks as if you would.  When do I get to be important to you, when I have been waiting patiently now for over a year, and it still is not done?  Why don't you admit that this is never going to happen?

I didn't lose my temper, and I didn't call him names......  Now I am left wondering why it took me being what I define as 'nasty', before he met my needs.  Why was nice not the right thing to be, when it actually told him he could put me off for months on end, while my gutters continued leaking all over my wall?  ......  It was only at the point of what I regard as making threats (but was in fact quite mild, I suppose) that he responded.  Bizarre.



ok this is a huge question ive been having. you see, i dont think you -were- being nasty.  i think in this blindness that we have, we are also trained to see any normal assertiveness on our part as inappropriate and "mean".    it -is- defined as mean by our tormentors, becuase in reality they are little babies and interpret any challenge of their authority as an attack........ so by their worldview, our asking for our needs to be met in a totally normal way, is indeed classified as an ATTACK.......... but that DOESNT mean thats what it really is.  its something we have to challenge in ourselves i think to learn to set boundaries and get what we need.

i think you were being quite normally assertive, and its only this illusion that we have, that to be normally assertive is to be abnormally aggressive.. of course they would train us that way. what bully wants their prey standing up for themselves appropriately....?...

meanwhile, other people get to be abnormally aggressive all over us and we have to 'pretend' that its totally and completly ok. did i explain that right? its a big fat catch-22 that keeps us nice little victims.  aggressive vs assertive. they get it all mixed up in our heads.


spyralle and plucky....... the 'veil' thing.... what do you do when the veil starts to lift. i dont know becuase i always wanted the veil to lift. i was always fighting against the veil! thats why they hated me and punished me so much. i never sought approval, i bucked the system from a very early age and that is why ive taken so much punishment..........  so i dont know how to answer that................

i just wish health and safety for people cause i know everyone has to go at their own pace with this stuff, its so deep. maybe cognitive therapy stuff. like asking, what is the worst that will happen if i do/think this? sometimes exploring what you fear is the worst that may happen, can expose that it really isnt what you thought it would be.....

it may really be the fear of death down deep. the fear of not being loved or cared for. abandonment.. deep things. maybe something else. but things that are not as applicable as it seems, looked at in the light of day...

just thinking out loud here.
thanks all.









             

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Re: betrayal trauma - "betrayal blindness" - website
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2005, 09:30:29 AM »

ok this is a huge question ive been having. you see, i dont think you -were- being nasty.  i think in this blindness that we have, we are also trained to see any normal assertiveness on our part as inappropriate and "mean".    it -is- defined as mean by our tormentors, becuase in reality they are little babies and interpret any challenge of their authority as an attack........ so by their worldview, our asking for our needs to be met in a totally normal way, is indeed classified as an ATTACK.......... but that DOESNT mean thats what it really is.  its something we have to challenge in ourselves i think to learn to set boundaries and get what we need.

i think you were being quite normally assertive, and its only this illusion that we have, that to be normally assertive is to be abnormally aggressive.. of course they would train us that way. what bully wants their prey standing up for themselves appropriately....?...

meanwhile, other people get to be abnormally aggressive all over us and we have to 'pretend' that its totally and completly ok. did i explain that right? its a big fat catch-22 that keeps us nice little victims.  aggressive vs assertive. they get it all mixed up in our heads.           


I agree with all that you say.  I can see that I have different rules to live by, but how do I break out of following them, when they define who I am to myself?   :?

When the world goes to pieces, I lose that identity completely, because it is so fragile.  The challenge for me is to learn how to I redefine the rules without this happening, because it is really nasty to go through that.   :?

Thanks for this thread, btw.  It is v useful to me.