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Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« on: January 25, 2006, 11:30:12 AM »
Hello everyone,
Even though I know all the head knowledge of narcissists. How do you all just get over the fact that you are just nothing to your birth mother. The one that raised me. I don't understand how to move on. Is it normal to feel emptyness at times and alone. Is it normal to know your better off without them but at the same time to wish that they will miraculously appear and love you. How do you get on with life knowing they can obviously get on with theirs without you. It's disheartening that you believed in love as a child and then later realise it never existed...
Does anybody else feel alone and sad at times..
Jessica

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Re: Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2006, 11:53:59 AM »
absolutely jessica!!! i have found it hard to come to terms with this. i know how i feel and i just cannot get to grips why someone else does not "feel" either.
i go through ups and downs, one min i count my lucky stars that im out, other times im upset.
on friday my estranged, enabler,clone of mother sister came round for the first time in almost 3 years. listening to her was like listening to my mother and it sent shivers down my spine literaly. i positively dispised every word that came out of her mouth, along with the cock and bull too. my mum has turned my sister into a mini her, her mannerisms, her expressions, everything. it was horrible. she spent half hour round here and it was so good in a way. seeing her convinced me even more that i should just keep running away in the opposite direction!! i even pitied the poor girl.

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Re: Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2006, 03:45:54 PM »
I am just now coming to grips with exactly what (like a monster) I am dealing with.  As I try to make sense out of my mother's lack of love, I only hope is I can fix myself and watch out for anything I do that might remind me of her.  I fully realize i am being called the monster for making a stand.  But I am at the point now where I simply don't care anymore. :shock:

I feel guilty because that seems incredibly cold and that is one of her traits, but I just try to love myself.  Does that make any sense? 

Love yourself......in the healthy ways.  It's a hard concept for those of us who have "found-out" about these "people of the lie" cause we are afraid of being like them,  and we are sad, and mad.  But it is better to do it today (love) and do it for yourself than hoping someone else will ever change or see your point of view.

My N husband tells, just get OVER it.  Easier said than done.  But totally possible. 

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Re: Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2006, 05:02:05 PM »
hey jessica,

sorry you're feeling down.  these times will come and go throughout your and mum's lives and will even happen once she passes on (from what i've read/heard). i have some anecdotal scenarios in which you may find something.

more and more, i've been waking up at 3:30 a.m. unable to get back to sleep with my nmom (and my ndad) on my mind.  lately, for a change, i haven't tried to be so "strong" when painful memories and sad thoughts come to mind.  i've been allowing the feelings to wash over me like water and just embrace how i feel at the moment.  when i feel the urge to cry, i get out of the bed, go down to the basement, as not to wake my D and H and sob until it feels silly to do so anymore.  sure, my eyes are a little puffy the next day, but i get back to sleep reasonably quickly now and i'm generally in a fine mood, much better than when i used to hold back the tears.  when i'm angry, i work out harder or i squeeze and bite into a pillow.  when i'm depressed, i eat less and am more nostalgic. Acknowledging the way I feel, sometimes helps in the getting over of "it."

i've also just begun to attempt meditation.  when i'm done crying, i visualize some beautiful place where my mom and i can meet and talk amicably and say the things we both really want to say to one another.  i imagine walking down a gorgeous mountain path to meet her in a lovely tropical garden with nothing but a glass wall between us through which we can read one another's thoughts and speak to one another without words.  Now, eventually, I would love to be able to tell her that I love her immensely and that given the horror of her own upbringing, I empathize for her and sympathize with her, and that despite her own, (albeit different brand of) inflicted horrors, that I forgive her.  But every time I make it down the beautiful mountainside to the awesome garden, convinced of my readiness and willingness to forgive, I began to turn the corner of my mind's eye to see her behind the glass, either slumped over in an EasyBoy chair, super-depressed and pitiful or, as in some meditation attempts, pacing furiously back and forth like a rabid wolf angrily anticipating my arrival so she can tear into me.  Both mental revelations have left me shaking with fear and anger.  Fearful that she really is that pitiful shell of a soul but angry that she could be manipulating her demeanor either way to evoke Nsupply from me. I'm jolted out of my meditation with questions and worry, would she really be so stark raving mad at the attempt for a resolution?  Would she even accept my offer of forgiveness? Sadly, I think so.

Needless to say, it's probably going to be a while before I will even be able to "envision" her and i talking openly and honestly.  I can probably give up on the dream that this would ever really, actually happen.  Nonetheless, I realize that setting the proverbial stage for an amicable resolution is critical to moving on in your life with (albeit imagined) acceptance.  Sometimes we must employ similar mental tricks as the N (somewhat like splitting personalities) to protect our minds from losing balance and slipping us into intense depression or worse, developing our own personality disorders.  we are for sure, prone and susceptible to PDs being the offspring of NPD.  to protect your mental sanctity and sanity, you should do what drives you toward healty, positive outlets for your anger, fear, frustration, wistfulness, longing, etc. 

 I don't know.  This is such a horrible conundrum.  Wasn't it easier when you were too young to really know how self-absorbed your own mother must really be?  When you could fantasize that she would change or outgrow or realize the err of her ways with some annoying or off-putting quality she had.  Ignorance in a way, was bliss.  But Knowledge is Power.  So keep your head high and know that you are not like her, that the cycle stops with you.  And when you feel upset or depressed, acknowledge it and allow your body to experience it.  Being honest with yourself will allow you to "get over it" sooner

tiffany

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Re: Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2006, 05:18:35 PM »
Thank you Tiffany.
That is extraordinary.
Painful to think it doesn't resolve quickly after they're gone.
But wonderful to hear how you've developed such a healthy acceptance of your feelings, all of them.

I have such a long way to go still but voices like yours really help.
You've really worked it through.

Did you THINK your way to this accepting place?
Or was it therapy or special people you met, or some other factors to help you heal?

Hopalong
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Re: Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2006, 10:47:05 AM »
Jessica

I can relate to this so much.  Throughout my life I’ve never understood why my bio dad didn’t like me, or why Mum didn’t like me either for that matter.

Your post reminded me of something I said to my bio dad once… I asked him why he wasn’t interested?  His reply was “Why on earth do you think I’m not interested in you, You’re the only family I’ve got”.  This is in another post somewhere, but I thought I’d post it here because I feel it’s really relevant.  He was saying, what’s wrong with you to think that I’m not interested…. If I’d asked if he loved me, of course I do… what’s wrong with you to think I don’t love you… etc etc… 

Their actions show one thing and they say another.  I know he’s not really interested in me, he doesn’t care…. Yet I still have a longing that he would ring up, that he would get in touch.  I know it wouldn’t do any good because there is no way to move forward, but sometimes a sign to show he cared would mean a great deal…. But that would have to be an action, not words.  And you’ve also hit another nail on the head for me… about getting on with their life ok without you.  This is probably one of the reasons why I check the websites he posts on… because I want to see that he’s not getting on with his life ok.  I want to see that he’s doing sh*te without me, yet this isn’t the case.

Other’s have posted much better advice and it has been helpful for me too…. But just wanted to let you know that I relate, that I think the same things sometimes, regardless of everything that’s happened.

Take care

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Re: Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2006, 11:03:49 AM »
Sorry for the lag in response, guys.  I try to come and visit the site daily, but sometimes things get a little hectic around here at work. :roll: :lol: 

Hopalong, I always think it suprising when someone sees me the way you mention.  I generally feel like an emotional wreck and wonder when I will ever overcome the raw-ness of this grieving process. But it really does feel more "healthy" to address and acknowledge the pain, rather than suppress it.

And it really is a grieving process.  I learned of NPD in May 2005. (my d's 5th birthday, it was).  Interesting, because 5 is a VERY, VERY significant age in one's development.  Particularly rough for me, because when I was 5 I attempted to make an outcry to the adults in my family that my male, teenage perverted cousins were "playing with me."  Despite what I now distinctly remember as pain in my private area, nothing happened, no response from the parents.  I had been in denial about all the subsequent "bad things" that  happened to me until my mother and I, who had become very close in the 2 years following my undergraduate college, "fell out" over whether or not I should marry my h.  I love him immensely and tried to get the two of them to bond.  He was so willing, he adored her facade, but she showed her real colors when she told me that "Guys like him, (meaning attractive ones), will probably cheat on you."  Heyyyyyy, I thought, Is this a knock  on him or me?!!! She followed up with "Well, I'll just be there for you when he leaves you." 

That was 2000 and although that broke my heart, it was only recently that I realized that I don't really have a "mommy" or a "mom" or a "ma," I have a biological mother.  Those fantasies of a loving, responsive, mum died in May 2005 and now I'm left to grieve the mother of which I was deprived.  I recently initiated "limited to no contact."   And it has sucked so badly. She is not aware of what I've discovered about her (and my dad and possibly my sister) or of the awful repressed memories that have recently resurfaced.

A week ago, I did go as far as to use the words "bad mother" to her.  Suprisingly, she was stoic and calm as she asked me to enumerate for her what exactly my "perceptions" were of what she did to me.  So long, so long, I have waited for her to WANT to know what she DID to me.  And when the time came, I could sense in her the willingness to defend herself before I even got out my sentiments.  I guess she could sense my intense feelings.  She seemed to be bracing herself somewhat, but was still on the pre-defensive.  I initially told her, "Mom, you know what you did" and left it at that.  I didn't believe this would torture her so, but she pleaded to know what she did that I considered "so bad".  So, I tried to focus on her most recent assaults on my business and my financial livelihood, (I am also at the end of un-enmeshing process with her). 

Her apology, yes she was ready with an "apology",: "Well, I'm sorry, you saw it that way, but I've been sick, sooo sick and I have to do something to try to take care of myself, I'm getting older."  Another apology wrapped in a criticism.  She was upset, because I have been ignoring her, not telling her of my problems, not coming around to visit, not asking for advice. Hence her assault on my business, I suppose.  She wants me to know that now that she's getting older and less capable she would like to rely on me to help maintain the well to do livlihood to which she has become accustomed. Her M.O.: she strips you of the resources she initially insisted you take from her, then she waits for you to humbly return, poor and begging her forgiveness.

She has been recently been diagnosed with sleep apnea and asthma.  She went on for infinity about not being able to sleep at night, having heart palpitations, and being terrified of being left alone. (Both sleep apnea and asthma are controllable with meds and medical equipment). IMO, I think her past negative acts are catching up with her and she has much anxiety about it.  I think she is frightened about her future in old age, and she wants to somehow "right" everything, in order to make her own Nsupply come more organically.  What's better than the authentic, chipper, cheerful, heartfelt Nsupply of a forgiving, forgetful daughter whose adoration is just what the doctor ordered?  Not anymore, I have a clue now, things are different. No more sucking me dry of good emotions like pride, happiness, hopefullness, and faithfullness.  I am kicking her out of my head, but not my heart.  I love who she could have been had her own Nparents not killed her spirit so many times over. But I'm not going to allow her warped sense of vengence terrorize my emotional life anymore.  It can be paralyzing.  Then she's won.

Most of my help has come through my strong ties to God.  I came to know Him as a child in a cult-like Fundamentalist religious group.  Really out there, church 6 days a week, puritan facade but worst-case scenario abuse behind the scenes. But still, I could see God in the Sunday School lessons and Vacation Bible School and Church Plays and Pageants.  I strayed away from God/church during my college years, when, not suprisingly, I exhibited a lot of the Nish traits I grew up on.   I've recently rekindled the relationship as His teachings and Bible promises now have SO much more relevance to me.  There are actually scriptures that refer to God's setting parents and their offspring at variance with one another for some higher reason/calling.  So to all you creative, beautiful, special spirits out there maybe you ought to see yourself and your past as somewhat preparing you for a greater good.  If you can detect and recognize evil in your own parents (who, if NPDs were probably trying to cover it up), imagine how you could be protective to other unsuspecting innocents before what damage you suffered happens to them.  It's the stuff of superheros.

Jessica, sweetie, I'm sorry for hi-jacking.  Your initial post sparked such a feeling in me.  I hope my ramblings have some meaning or significance.

Tiffany

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Re: Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2006, 06:16:29 PM »
I have an N mother and the day I gave up one fleck of HOPE that she would ever love me was the day it really pretty much stopped bothering me. (Easier for me to do than most, because I am never forced to be around her and have not in fact seen her for 11 or 12 years.)

I started hoping she would love me from the beginning, and no matter how devoid of feeling she was toward me that hope lasted decades. Finally I realized that holding out that hope was the only thing that was still hurting me about it. Once I let go of that I never felt that awful feeling again -- that feeling of being an unwanted by someone I wanted to want me so much.

For me, it was just about letting go. Letting go of any speck of hope she would ever care. That was years ago, and ever since I had not even felt like I had "mother issues" anymore. It's really been amazing.

I feel for you. I hope that helps!

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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2006, 07:33:44 PM »
I should add that along with giving up hope I also cut her out of my life (again, easier for me to do than many just because of the situation). But I can't tell you how wonderful it has been to stop even wanting her to love me. I could have gone to age 100 and not let go of that desire. I think really it is just about accepting things we can't change. For me, accepting that she would never care about me also meant choosing to divorce her.


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Re: Coping with realising that nmum has and never will care
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2006, 12:09:53 AM »
Hi everyone,
thankyou so much for your support and advice.
I fully realize i am being called the monster for making a stand.  But I am at the point now where I simply don't care anymore. 
I feel guilty because that seems incredibly cold and that is one of her traits, but I just try to love myself.  Does that make any sense? 

Surrounded, yes, I relate and that makes sooo much sense to me. I feel guilty for making a stand and it's not in my nature to treat people this way. But I have to do this for myself.

. Ignorance in a way, was bliss.  But Knowledge is Power.  So keep your head high and know that you are not like her, that the cycle stops with you.  And when you feel upset or depressed, acknowledge it and allow your body to experience it.  Being honest with yourself will allow you to "get over it" sooner
Thankyou Tiffany for your insight. I was more settled when I was in denial but I am sooo much happier knowing the truth, I feel more fullfilled, confident (because I wasn't the crazy one, she was) but in denial I thought they loved me. It's hard realizing they never did but it makes sooo much sense. Since facing the truth my view about the world is beggining to make sense. It's hard to understand how other people feel who are loved by their parents and allowed to be individual not an object moulded to please them.
I can't comprehend how they can be sooo heartless, I could never do these things to my kids. I truly do love my kids.
Tiffany, I was raised in church. My parents used the bible to get us in line and abuse us. I grew up thinking of God as condemning and I avoided him for many years. I did not understand the fathers love from my own father (he never stood up to mum during her abuse) let alone understanding or recieving love from God.  I have found God again and am starting to understand he does love me more than comprehension (that overwhelms me).  All of the crap they put on me about God was wrong and it was just their way to control.

I am beginning to come to grips with moving on knowing I was never loved or nurtured by my parents. I'm learning to nurture myself. I see my journey of recovery a long, bumpy journey but I can see the serenity of joy, freedom and peace in the distance. Looking to it is exciting and fulfilling knowing that I am  headed in the right direction and with everyday the junk from my past that is behind me is looking more powerless and pitiful. It will never catch up with me again.

Thanks again everyone
Jessica :)