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What We Eat: Food Issues
« on: October 05, 2006, 03:58:59 PM »
Anybody want to talk about food issues? I think I will now and then. This board raises my awareness of a lot of things...why not that? (I watched a Humane Society video of factory farming at my desk today. I'm glad I did. I know about it, but I go in and out of denial. I'm lazy and I want gratification.)

I've been bingeing on sweet stuff (vending machine garbage, coffeecake, anything sugary) and I'm toting a belly I never had before. Iggh. Maybe as penance, I'm letter-writing to Salon again. Thought I'd share this one I posted today in response to their article on the foie gras ban debate.
(In a personal way it's in honor of my D's birthday yesterday. This is something I have always admired in her. (BTW, she called yesterday, affectionate and very happy. "I love you" is back!  :)
--Hops
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Can't Legislate Compassion

...so, EDUCATE.

My baby had chances to see cows and horses. We would stop by the road and I'd let her pat their noses or feel their coats. Sometimes I felt like a spectator at something sacred. A calm and friendly animal would stand at the fence and regard my baby for some time, listen to her excited preverbal chatter. It seemed as though they, and she, enjoyed their awareness of each other. Perhaps as an infant she also FELT them, like a forcefield. And likely they always have this openness.

It was amazing to watch their mutual curiosity. She responded with intense delight and recognition, pinwheeling her arms and legs and crowing. When we started from the car she'd pummel me with her feet until we got to the fence. Then she'd have long moments of complete stillness, while she gazed at the animal. Excitement would break through periodically and she'd flail her arms at them, but they rarely shied.

Long story shorter, I believe that many people are unmoved by animal suffering because to feel enough compassion for an animal to become vegetarian, you do have to face the reality of their presence, their intelligence, their openness, their ability to bond, to greet, to form relationships, to suffer. It requires a kind of security coupled with vulnerability to the wholeness of life, to do this.

We could teach children to be grateful for the presence of animals. To greet their existence with a sense of wonder. Or perhaps our infants don't need to be taught reverence. Perhaps we do. Or, we can just let them go extinct and boil the planet. It is a choice.

When she was three, my chatterbox asked me in the car one day, what is your purse made of? I answered as gently and simply as I could. You mean, cows? she said. It hurt to nod "yes". She cried all the way home and never ate meat again.

She's now 26. She never lectures anyone. But she knows.

It really doesn't hurt anyone to eat vegetable forms of protein, does it. We do so many more difficult things in our pursuit of health and good looks (imagine the gym). We're not being deprived of anything we need badly when we give up flesh. I think most of us are just so cut off from the natural world that our senses are blunted such that only something as concentrated and intense as the flavor of a tortured, cooked and slaughtered animal can sate our cravings.

It wouldn't hurt to ask at a deeper level, what are we really craving? Is it to be more alive? If so, is it really unimaginable to inquire how we might do that without asking an intelligent and defenseless animal such as a cow or pig or goose to pay the cost of our journey?

Goose Guantanamo. Bovine Bataan. Once you know, you really do know. It's hard to stuff innate compassion forever.

I don't think absolutism of any stripe is much help. But denial isn't either.

-- 90% vegetarian & determined


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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2006, 11:45:52 PM »
I didn't mean to have a judgmental spasm about those who select carnivorisnushinessism.

But I did. Sorry. Really. I get all preachy when I write to Salon.
It was a beeeyooooooooootiful memory of her babyhood, though.

She said to me once, when I apologized for my terrible judgment in marrying H2...
looking at me with pure forgiveness and love:

"But Mom, you gave me animals."

I think I realize looking back how extremely deeply she was affected by learning about meat, because she was an extraordinarily sensitive little girl. (No wonder she went "tough" to survive her losses in early adulthood. I think maybe she had no choice.)

I don't know if the cease fire will last but it did bring me such joy to get her happy call last night.

Anybody got a great vegetable story?
I know one!

There's a small town in New England where nobody locks their doors and everybody trusts everybody and it's pure peace. But once a year people roll up their car windows and lock them down tight. A tourist who loved the atmosphere and noticed this change in local behavior asked about it at the hardware store.

"Ayep, we do," said the proprietor. "Nobody can put zucchinis in th' car while you're sleepin'."

Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2006, 01:46:13 AM »
 :shock: :oops:

(((((((((((TT))))))))))))))

What an incredibly nice thing to say.
Thanks.

Hops
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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2006, 07:02:24 AM »
 :D

There's a small town in New England where nobody locks their doors and everybody trusts everybody and it's pure peace. But once a year people roll up their car windows and lock them down tight. A tourist who loved the atmosphere and noticed this change in local behavior asked about it at the hardware store.

"Ayep, we do," said the proprietor. "Nobody can put zucchinis in th' car while you're sleepin'."
  Hops


Zucchini is a prolific veggie indeed!  Used to find bags of them on my desk when I worked in our little church office... tokens of appreciation (or maybe not?! :shock:) from some of the members. Occasionally, someone would take it a step further and leave a wrapped loaf of zucchini bread. mmm... good stuff  :)

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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2006, 08:09:56 AM »
Hops

"I love you" is back!

I'm so glad - so very glad for you.  - GS

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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2006, 09:14:11 AM »
"But Mom, you gave me animals."

oh that brings tears, after all the things you've told us about her, you can see where the softer streak in her came from.

Your writing is excellent. Don't apologise for the perspective! It's what gives it passion, like good preaching! Who wants an article ( or sermon ) with no flair, we get enough watered down anaemic politics without the writers being worried about what people think!

You never have that shut up, ask no questions and do what I say attitude in what you write.  I like that. 

Me too. It's very good and I am sure touches a nerve with many people. Where I live there are still cows and horses in fields alongside freeways, and little byres and hayracks...but more and more the land gets sold for building, Houston is an ever-growing city and I know it won't be long before we say nostalgically 'remember when there were calves here...'
 
Nature has claimed parts of it back though- made it periodically flood so it has to be left alone to grow and nurture wildlife in peace. I like that.

~W

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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2006, 12:04:00 AM »
Probably a mistake to detour into the ethics of eating.
So I take it back!  :)

I would like to talk about the deep craving that contributes to overweight.

I think it's a big psychological/emotional health thing. But I wish I had a craving for something else...

I'm more out of control with eating than I've been in several years and it's a miserable feeling for me. I've gained 15-20 pounds after being at normal weight for my height, now I feel bloated, my clothes cut and gap (and I can't afford nice new ones...and need to be making a good impression for jobs).

But I don't know if I want to talk about control strategies, so much, as maybe...
the emotional eating...

What IS it? I'm just trawling for new thoughts about it, if anyone would like to share.
In some way I think it has to do with being too cut off from my senses. Not feeling the joy of them just now.

That really might be it. I don't need "sensual exercises"...I don't think...but, aha?...maybe to explore more how the rigid controlling atmosphere of my childhood maybe led to some MAJOR suppression of my natural sensuality.

Hmmm! One direction might be just to get sensuous in ways that DO feel safe to me.
Clothing, I guess.

I've been wearing a lot of bright things, but maybe I need some more flowing softer stuff. Well, there's always Goodwill.

I do know that Mom is not sensual at all...except for her own compulsive sweet-eating (we share a fridge, too, and one weird thing I do is to sneak around and eat some of her treats).

What's THAT about? Stealing sugar from my N-ish mom? Hmmm. That seems worth analysing.

Almost like dream analysis...behavior analysis.

I'm heading down to the kitchen...will hope for some of the fine brains here to have epiphanies and lend them to me!

Thanks,
Hops

PS--Whoa! I just remembered something. I haven't been remembering my dreams often lately but I had a deep nap today and did awaken from a VERY sexy dream of being firmly kissed by a handsome man. It was quite nice, although it was almost too firm. And, per usual, I had no sense of security, that he would stay...
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2006, 12:37:01 AM »
Hi Hop

the emotional eating...

What IS it? I'm just trawling for new thoughts about it, if anyone would like to share.
In some way I think it has to do with being too cut off from my senses


well your dream gives a clue- you maybe crave some love or romance or sex but have said ( like me ) you arent prepared to go there right now.

Weight gain surpresses libido and we don't put out as much when we feel unattractive.

the rigid controlling atmosphere of my childhood maybe led to some MAJOR suppression of my natural sensuality.

well, you're surpressing a lot of things in your self right now out of choice- or is it choice? Necessity more like?

I am really struggling with not having a partner and really fantasising and grieving each time a likely candidate comes into my life and 'I can't'.

A friend called me 'leery' this week when I was telling her about my crush ( she knows & likes the guy ) I didn't know what it meant really and looked it up: openly distrustful and unwilling to confide

And that's how I've been behaving forever I suppose. Wanting something and not being able to do it. Every few months a new guy comes into my life and if I am honest I come up with some excuse or get into a long protracted dialogue until he gets bored and goes away.

I'm starting to think it's because I haven't reconciled sex and the fact I don't want to be married or deeply attached! Maybe that's the whole deal with marrying my ex- that really was at a distance and if he hadn't behaved so badly I wonder if I would have settled and never addressed this. Maybe now I still am- by focussing on career, being prissy about fidelity whilst I'm still married....and by fantasising about a guy who I turned down!

I've recently dropped loads of weight because of my health Hops, and I eat tons, just different stuff. For a sweet treat there's Orville Rodenbacher toffee popcorn cakes $1.59 a pack and 40 calories each, I love them. Also Panda liquorice bars, @ 59 cents and 50 calories, in the health food section.

I couldn't lose weight for ages though so I had a strategy of weighing each morning and noting the natural fluctuations and getting a sense of what caused gain, then I had a long time where my goal was to stay the same. Now I just stick to the same healthy eating and exercise and it's coming down steadily- leaving lots of floppy bits though so don't gain too much if you don't want extra skin and stretch marks.

hope for some of the fine brains here to have epiphanies and lend them to me!

hope someone has one for me too. Where's Moonlight when you need her?  :)

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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2006, 11:32:40 AM »
Hi, Hops,

  I don't know if this is right or not, but I wouldn't spend alot of time trying to dig into the deeper issues re: eating habits. Sometimes I think it's a simple matter of boredom and/or frustration... a form of addiction which has been allowed to fill the gap.

  What I'm thinking is... maybe not everything is all that complicated? I like to think that some stuff is fairly simple... but that may be a bit of my own "denial" at work. I'm thinking plain old fashioned behavior modification... like when you find yourself headed for the frig or cupboard, unless it's time for a regular meal... replace that activity with something else... something else that you enjoy which does not add calories. It's said that if we continue a particular course for 30 days straight, we've formed that behavior into a habit. That's encouraging! When viewed in that light, this need not appear to be an insurmountable task which will involve a lifelong struggle... just a matter of forming better habits. 

   For me, although I'm not "fluffy" (lol Tt), the struggle has been to eat at set times whether I'm feeling hungry or not, and not settle for a handful of peanuts grabbed on the fly. I have been known to live on cheese and crackers and peanuts. It's not good.
I recognize the problem along with a certain underlying sense of rebellion, laziness, entitlement (I will have only what I feel like having at the moment and nothing else), but dwelling on all that won't change a bit of my behavior. I gotta buy good, healthy stuff and then drag myself to the frig to put a bit of it on a plate... whether I feel like it or not. There's alot to be said for good ole fashioned self-discipline. The rub is... sheesh, I gotta be disciplined over here, and over there, and now I can't just spoil myself when it comes to what I'll eat (or in my case, not eat)?? No fair!!  Yup yup... there's a bratty quotient involved. Speaking of which, I've been up for hours and haven't had a bite.... bad, bad me. Peanut butter toast, whole wheat, and a glass of milk. I'm going!!

   But first... re: your mother's goodies... in defiance of some of what I just stated, it does seem logical that you may be indulging there simply because you feel she owes you that much, at least!! Also, there's a certain element of irresponsibility involved. In other words, "Hey, I didn't buy the junk food... I can't help it that it's here." Maybe that's projection, but it kinda makes sense to me.

   I hope this was a little helpful.... off to toast-land...

Hugs,
Hope

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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2006, 02:53:49 PM »
HOPS ,

Maybe drinking  more water  will fill you up make you feel better and cleanse the system.

So many people are walking around  dehydrated and pure water is so good for your kidneys etc.

Drinkinking water always makes me feel great.

Your animal story is so sweet

love

moon


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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2006, 07:59:40 PM »
GOOD stuff everyone, thanks so much!

"fluffy"  :)
Why do I feel fat -- wrong foods -- unhappy and dissatisfied -- more wrong foods -- feel fat  8)
defiance (my friend A was thrilled when she found in therapy that this is why she overeats) :shock:
water :D

Orville Redenbacher and licorice  :D

These are all great thoughts. Thank you.

It's not just the what but the why, and I appreciate these insights on both!

thanks again,
Hops
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Re: What We Eat: Food Issues
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2006, 08:05:53 PM »
tracks, you inspiration you!

I think I'm going to see if there isn't an alternative energy company near me that would make me -- wait for it, wait for it --

an elliptical, or a treadmill, that would PUT POWER BACK INTO THE GRID when I am using it, just the way wind and solar generators can be set up to do. Don't know how much power I'd generate, but wouldn't that be a motivator!!!!!!!!

On edit: can't you see it now? One gym producing enough electricity to run itself and feed in surplus... green gyms. I gotta go ask somebody about this, right now.

Moon: if Mr. Moon knows anybody who does this, let me know!
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2006, 08:21:06 PM »



Storm,

Great idea.  Green gyms.  I like it!  Man I hope Mr. Moon knows someone!

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2006, 08:28:08 PM »
I found a place in Washington state that makes pedal powered home energy generators and a not for profit in California that does large scale projects... I'm going to get in touch next week with both of them. :-)
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2006, 09:22:54 PM »
Hi HOPS TT AND STORMY,

YEP THATS WHAT WE NEED SOLAR POWER ,WIND ,WAVE AND FUEL CELLS.THAT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH MR MOON IS WORKING ON NOW.

Mr moon is working on fuel cells for power back up and direct methanol fuel cells for lap top computors Green technologies are fun. :D :D :D

There are all kinds of new energy sources happening.Then when we go green that will easy up the stress on the Earth and political tension all around the globe .

Also wave power generators the power of ocean waves all this good stuff is right around the corner there is lots to be optimistic about with these new technologies 8)

LOVE TO ALL,

MOON