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isittoolate

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Messy Life--Part Two
« on: January 08, 2007, 08:31:23 PM »
Hi all

You are such a great bunch of loving people. You appear to understand, at least part of, what happened to me, or what I made happen to myself, or why I am the way I am….

Now IRL, this point would be where I would back off the relationship because someone (everyone) would know all the wrong things I had done. I actually sabotaged the relationships, at times. This is what AvPDs do and why I was thusly diagnosed—the main reason…..out of humiliation, embarrassment, fear of that person telling everyone he/she met ….

I, too, think of myself as a survivor, but I don’t want to have to survive one more traumatic thing. I have had enough, so I have put myself into a safer position of semi-solitude!

What happens, happens and cannot be undone.  I tend to believe that all this happened to me for a reason, but I sure don’t know the reason, unless it was to learn about NPD and finally figure out, at this age, that my father was a raging N.

As I said, now that you know, this is to say that this is the point I would back off and hide from those who knew.

Help?

Xx
Izzy

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2007, 10:02:26 PM »
Hey Izzy,

This is a really safe place to practice being "known". You can avoid if you want to...you always have that choice. But you might as well hang around.

Would it help to change the subject? Maybe not have anybody ask followup questions until you say you're willing?

How did you paste that pretty image into your post? I am a Luddite, so you'd have to spell it out as: I clicked this, and then selected that, etc.

It looks cool.

(Our secrets are not secrets, imo, unless we hold onto shame about our experiences. Hope you'll drop-kick shame to the curb.)

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2007, 10:23:44 PM »
Izzy,

I wish I knew how to encourage you at this point.  Withdrawal is my favorite coping mechanism as well.  It feels so familiar and warm and safe.  Sometimes I do it just to show myself that I still can. :(

But the warmness and the safeness is just an illusion.  Withdrawal is really lonely, and cold, and dark.  It puts you behind a wall and shuts out the people who care for you.  You don't really want to be there.  It's just that, having shown us who you really are, it feels like a safe option.

I hope you will stay here in the sunlight.  Sure, it shows everything--can't hide much in the sunlight--but it is so very warm on your upturned face!  

We would miss you if you hid away.

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isittoolate

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 12:52:32 AM »
thank you Hops and CB


I want to stay, hang around, I want to know how to get past this point. How to lose the shame.

Yes, withdrawal can be cold and lonely. I don't feel that, though, now in my safe place with no one hanging around me.

I ask myself what I might be denying--- ??

Am I a tough nut to crack, since I have been so 'mauled in life', as seastorm put it.

I can say that have so few emotions, that nothing can make me jump for joy and nothing can make me cry!


Ask away and I will try to anwer unless the answer is buried so deep that I don't know it!

Love

Izzy


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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 01:04:19 AM »
Hopalong,
Click on the insert image icon and up will pop [ img][ /img ]  I had to insert spaces for this to show--don't change what pops up!

The image must be on the Net
So you type the URL in between [ img]...........[ /img] I had to insert spaces for this to show--don't change what pops up!


Your url would read http://www.msn.com/pictures.name

....the logo I see above is  smflogo.gif


Good Luck :lol:
Izzy

......am trying to capitalize assets for year end!--- I work odd hours, but do sleep in.

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 09:24:48 AM »
Thank you so much Izzy! I never realized that images had to be on the Net. Embedded images, I mean, I think I mean if that's the right term...

And I 'get' weird hours. I do the same sometimes.

I will find the right image soon just for you!

gotta rush, I'm late as ever...

Hops
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2007, 07:41:39 PM »
I found this on SHAME:

Where does shame come from? Shame often arises, as you can see from the above stories, in the context of a dysfunctional family. The parents are generally highly critical and demeaning, offering little or no positive feedback or support of the child's expressiveness, creativity, and emotions. The child is repeatedly ridiculed and humiliated, by the family and often by his or her peers. There may be a history of abandonment, physical or sexual abuse, and broken promises. The healthy needs for love and acceptance are usually unmet, resulting often in addictions in later life. The family settings, as in all three stories above, are usually filled with guilt and a sense that the person is inherently bad. As a result, the person feels helpless, powerless, worthless, and, overall, less than human. There is a profound feeling of being undeserving of anything better and of being incapable of attracting loving, caring partners, which often dooms the person to a life of unhappiness, suffering, and self-condemnation. Having been profoundly criticized throughout one's childhood usually leads to an exaggerated striving for perfection. In Carol's case, for example, the goal of the perfectionism was to be as thin as possible, even if it killed her, which it almost did.

What is the shame response? There are a number of ways in which a person deals with a shame-inducing environment. It is important first to understand that each of us has a variety of subpersonalities or parts, such as our frightened child, our merciless critic, our tireless pusher, etc. Each of these parts has a common goal-to help us deal with our life circumstances in ways that seem adaptive at the time and allow us to survive. Therefore, all of the following responses to shame are an attempt, successful or not, at coping and healing. One of the most common responses I see is the suppression of emotions, particularly anger. The woman is afraid to make waves for fear of punishment, further guilt-induction, or other repercussions and decides to react to life passively, even invisibly. She is often meek, does not stand up for herself, and is continually taken advantage of by others. She often chooses alcoholic or abusive relationships which she may stay in, even if she is battered or incessantly verbally abused. A second response is dissociation. This is a form of the woman leaving her body, such as in the case of repeated sexual abuse. It's too painful to continue to experience the suffering, so she exits. Another alternative is for the woman to become a child abuser herself,no longer willing to be a victim. Another common reaction is self-punishment in the form of addiction, whether it be to drugs, alcohol, binge eating, anorexia or bulimia, or anything else. Still another response is to convert the pain into physical illness as a form of self-punishment.

How can you overcome shame? Let me say first that we're talking about a pro-found imbalance, usually beginning with childhood. It is usually important to seek some type of supportive, experienced professional help. All of the following tech-niques can be assisted, enhanced, and made more quickly effective by the type of therapist who recognizes the depth of your suffering, is familiar with effective thera-peutic techniques, but also holds you in your perfection, wholeness, and light. I have seen too many clients who have spent four or five years in therapy dredging up all the garbage of their past without feeling that their lives have been signifi- cantly improved or transformed by the insights.

Here are some practical suggestions for releasing shame and embracing love and wholeness. l) Feel your pain. This is an essential step in understanding where you've been and what you've experienced. You need to recognize the suffering that you've felt or you've denied in order to move beyond it. Through hypnosis, for example, it's possible to re-experience old pain in a safe, gentle atmosphere. Once you have truly gotten in touch with your pain, then you can begin to release it, not before. 2) Re- connect with your inner child. If you have experienced deep shame, your inner child has likely been traumatized and terrified. It is extremely beneficial to befriend, nurture, and heal the child within you and to create an atmosphere of safety so that this part of you can experience the freedom and acceptance which it was denied in the past. 3) Learn to love yourself. This is obviously not an overnight process. By surrounding yourself with supportive friends, family members, and professionals who continually validate you for who you are, you will gradually learn to appreciate your talents and positive attributes and eventually learn to embrace yourself as a unique, valuable, and lovable human being. Reading Louise Hay and other such books may be helpful. 4) Integrate your parts. I have found specific techniques such a Voice Dialogue and conscious or hypnotic parts therapy to be of tremendous useful- ness in increasing awareness of the various, often conflict- ing, parts of you with the goal of establishing wholeness and integration. 5) Support groups . It is often comforting and growth-producing to share your pain as well as your insights and awarenesses with others who have also been through similar experiences. Choose a group that both feels comfortable and stimulates your evolution and don't be afraid to leave when you've learned all that you can from it. 6) Finding your spiritual home . Whether it be a l2-step program, a New Thought church, a yoga class, Native Ameri- can healing circle, guru, or your own spirit guide, connect as deeply as possible with Source. There is no better way to heal shame than to recognize the true perfection and purity that you are, to release all that prevents you from being whole, and to embrace the Holy Spirit which fills your being.

Looks like I have a lot of work to keep me busy.  Izzy
  aged 31

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2007, 08:11:46 PM »
Good stuff, Izzy.  Especially the part about recognizing the true perfection and purity that you are.  We all are.  That would make a good replacement "tape".

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2007, 08:17:34 PM »
Izzy - don't go!  We don't know you.  You are hidden behind your computer screen.  This is definitely the place to try your wings.  If you can't take it try swapping your screen name around and reappear in a new creation.  Where else can you do that?  It's like faking your death, having plastic surgery and coming back to life.  Any way - give it a whirl and see if you can get past that old hurdle here on-line.  I have actually found that my experiences here in Voicelessness have helped me in "real" life.  That's what I love about it. - your friend - Gaining Strength

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2007, 09:00:47 PM »
Izzy

I have felt not good enough I sometimes feel OK and sometimes I am not thinking of myself and I am really listening to others and I am thinking of PP and the way she can describe an event in her life so well you can feel it or Hops with wisdom and honor and anything for a laff or Beth and her sweetness and Write with deep intense feelings and a closeness to G-d...AND Stormy who has bright rays of thought so you feel like you can understand anything ....well I try....Hi  cosmic Portia and mud and rm GS,BONES,CB123,SPY ,axa .TT.sela,seasons and all
and each one different but we all want to share and we are trusting each other to find our way....


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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2007, 09:49:03 PM »
Thank you pennyplant, Gaining Strength and moonlight

No GS, I am not leaving but i think anything I post from here on is connected to the Messy life and then when I reach my roadblock.
It would appear the roadblock involves "shame", as you alluded to in a earlier post.

"As a result, the person feels helpless, powerless, worthless, and, overall, less than human. There is a profound feeling of being undeserving of anything better and of being incapable of attracting loving, caring partners, which often dooms the person to a life of unhappiness, suffering, and self-condemnation. Having been profoundly criticized throughout one's childhood usually leads to an exaggerated striving for perfection."

I even posted my photos to see if anyone said I looked less than human. I look at myself as I doddle, comb my hair  & say "I am not real" but who would know what a jumble goes on inside my head??

I agree with you moonlight, about the 'characters' you can identify! i just find everyone nice and I feel as though I come across so 'wooden'.

I will hang in here and read, listen and see what grabs me, to further explore, but I do feel like a lost cause....and a phony? for being able to be "little miss sunshiine" with my workmates!

When I was about 18, I asked my roommate, another farm girl in the big city, to look at me in the mirror, then look at me live, and tell me if what she sees is the same........Can you imagine? I didn't believe then or now that I am real or human. (If you go to my other thread you might see this story, again. I have yet to check it out!)

Keep tossing crumbs my way and you never know which one will 'fill me up'

Love
Izzy

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2007, 10:25:15 PM »
Well Izzy shame has been my middle name for many, many years until very, very recently.  I read Bradshaw's book on toxic shame more than any other book.  I had notes in the margins from 6 or 7 different years.  Each time I read it I saw something different.  But the bottom line was that I found he identified and defined toxic shame so well.  I knew I had it but he didn't do much for me about moving beyond it.  Much of what he recommended involved involving others - a task I was not willing and not really able to do.  There wasn't really anyone I knew who was capable or willing to perform the necessary duties.  Nonetheless, this past summer I slowly but surely moved past these years of shame and (here's the big one) self-condemnation.  There are definitely shadows of both still lurking semi, sub and unconscously but I am able to identify them by their shadow and call them out.  You can do it too. 

For some reason, I moved from shame into terrible anxiety.  I asked and received a prescription to help me deal with that and within two short months I found myself emerging from that terrible spell.  I still keep the anti-anxiety meds in my purse but I haven't used them in almost a month.

For me concentrating on conquering the self-condemnation was the way I moved out of shame.  Shame itself seemed to spiral out of control when I experienced it unless I forced myself to recognize the self-condemnation component. I realized that I could control the self-condemnation because it was something I was doing to myself.  The shame seemed to come from outside of me.  So I slowly but surely used a technique of identifying the wretchedness that I felt as shame.  Then I "translated" the shame into "self-condemnation" and then I talked myself into overcoming the self-condemnation because it was something that came from me and therefore something I could fight.  Maybe you can take some portion of my experience and shape a technique that will help you.  I hope so.  But most of all I hope you will believe that it can be done.  Having hope is a significant first step.  I want you to move into having hope.  Move out of fear and doubt and at least believe that it can be done.  Then work on believing that YOU can do it.  That is my wish for you - your friend - Gaining Strength

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2007, 10:32:05 PM »
Wow, GS, Shame is your middle name too???? You know, I look at a picture, like yours, Izzy, and I see a lovely woman. I think of myself and I think of all the things wrong with me. And I can look at a picture of myself or in the mirror and actually morph the image into my mood... But I don't think of myself as a whole. I can never think that I am overall OK. Instead I think my ankles are awful, my hiar is OK, my hands are ok, but looking older, my stomach is awful, my hips are huge, etc. Thank you Izzy, for another reminder about how we tear ourselves apart when we have been taught this way.

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Re: Messy Life--Part Two
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2007, 10:34:58 PM »
Izzy,

When I saw your picture, I immediately thought: OH!  She is so BEAUTIFUL!

You really are, you know.

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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2007, 01:38:32 AM »
I thought so too Izzy.

When I was in college and on through my 20s I couldn't even look at myself in the mirror.  I could put on makeup and brush my hair with the mirror and yet avoid seeing my whole face.  I couldn't bear to see my face. 

Rememberin that helps me understand how deep the wounds ran.  Deep into my core.  I knew that improving my self image and healing would go hand in hand.