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Confounded

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I thought you might find this interesting, and I would be very interested in any data that you have on this or related areas...

The Doctrine of Diminished Communication has been in effect for about a week.  It is a coping mechanism for dealing with N'ish types.  I have described it at length elsewhere.  Essentially, minimized communication with them, as that communication leads nowhere that I want to go...  Few conversations, always ready to withhold reply (let them have the last word), often one word replies, sometimes no reply (just as if I never heard a thing).

Here's what I have found...  Baiting is occurring exactly once a day.  These aren't little stupid comments.  These are great big gobs of meat, with giant hooks in them, baiting me for a new round of a prior argument. 

First it was the need to run a white guy on the Democratic ticket in the VP slot.  I said, "Yeah, because they (the white guys) have been doing so well" (Not.).  I ignored whatever he said next.   End of topic.

The next day it was a statement that if the Dems are going to run a woman or a black guy, then he would vote for McCain.  I did NOT say,"What just sexism and racism, what about ageism?"  I said something about "It should be interesting to see what happens." and left the room to work on something.  End of topic.

The third day it was a statement about when he replaces his Civ II (I am the ruler of the world) game, which I threw away.  (Like he would ever have the initiative to replace it without my doing it for him, which I'm never going to do.)  I said, "Right now we have to get the mulch bags out to the backyard."  He said he had to wait a few minutes (exert control) and went to watch TV.  I said "Fine, it's not am emergency."  End of topic.

The fourth day (today) it was a comment about how we're going to have to go back to having mulch delivered by the truckload, to be pitchforked into the wheelbarrow and moved around the yard, because those bags are too heavy.  (Not.)  This is an discussion we've had before.  We now get bagged mulch (which costs more per cubic yard) because it's waaaay faster to move around the yard, and he complains endlessly about yard work.  I place the orders for delivery, this method is working, and it will stay as it is in the interest of efficiency.  I don't have to discuss it.  I turned on my heel and walked away; I was on my way out the door at the moment anyway.  End of topic, without reply.

I find it fascinating that he's clearly baiting me for an argument that he got from me before, exactly once a day, just like clockwork.  I never take the bait.  My replies are minimal or nonexistant.  No argument in days.  Tonight he commented on what a nice day we had together.

OMG.  This is working!

Have you ever monitored frequency of any such behavior?  This doesn't seem to be triggered by events, just a tendency (need? habit? compulsion?) to do it daily.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2008, 03:01:13 PM by Confounded »

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Re: Dealing with N - Data on Baiting / Doctrine of Diminished Communication
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 02:48:08 AM »





Hi Confounded,

Have you ever monitored frequency of any such behavior?  This doesn't seem to be triggered by events, just a tendency (need? habit? compulsion?) to do it daily. 

Yes, I've monitored cycles of behaviors in others.  I've even recognized a couple in myself.  My guess is that there are probably triggers for this pattern you recognize.  Maybe there is a pattern within a pattern?  Don't know, but I'd be interested to hear if you find there is.

Sincerely,

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Re: Dealing with N - Data on Baiting / Doctrine of Diminished Communication
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 09:27:30 AM »
Well done for not taking the bait but I think about all the energy it takes from you to be vigilent all the time.  I learned this strategy also but found it exhausting and drained me so much I had little energy or time for my own life.

axa

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Re: Dealing with N - Data on Baiting / Doctrine of Diminished Communication
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 12:34:17 PM »
It continues...  Once daily.  Yesterday we got to the end of the day, and he hadn't baited me.  I had been feeling a bit ill, and had interacted with him for only about an hour.  But as he prepared to go to bed, he got one in under the wire.  He told me that I should go to bed earlier.  I was staying up too late.  This is in my best interest.  It's not for him, as he has to go to sleep very early and would be asleep already in any case. 

But he knows that I take offense anytime he tells me that I should do anything.  I am not accustomed to being addressed in this manner, and he knows it.  In my family, we call it "shoulding all over someone."  We consider it to be a rude way to address a peer.  It is a bad habit of his, and we have gone round and round on this in the past.  I did not reply.  Funny thing about that.  If I don't acknowledge his argumentative behavior, it makes a stronger statement than if I object to it.  My refusal to engage essentially negates the behavior.

I went to bed earlier than I have been (10:00 pm instead of 2:30 am), because I was tired (ya think? after staying up late for days?).  I think that the message was a good one, but the delivery was still baiting.  When I don't engage, I can extract the message and use it as needed.

I wonder what it will be today.  Will he go for six in a row?  Maybe not.  By the time I get home from the errands I have planned he may be asleep. 

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Re: Dealing with N - Data on Baiting / Doctrine of Diminished Communication
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 11:47:17 AM »
And so it goes.

2/12 - didn't see him before he went to bed, so no baiting occurred.

2/13 - dinner out & no baiting (yippee!)

2/14 - baiting by phone - telling me again (I ignored him the 1st time) that we didn't need to replace stepdaughter's broken cell phone, as she could just keep his until we get to the end of March when hers is eligible for discounted replacement.  I have to admit that I sort of took the bait.  Advised him that even though he doesn't use his cell much, others call him, and need to be able to reach him.  I would take care of replacing the broken phone immediately, because if I didn't and somebody was unable to reach him when she needed him fast, it would be my fault (bad mommy).  Then I just said, "Gotta go." and hung up.  I got worried about taking the bait, and that he might be pissed off.  But it was okay (or at least it is for now, we'll see if I get to hear about it at a later time).  I got the phone replaced at no cost, and she will get a better one in March, at which point this will become the backup phone to be activated when one fails, is lost, etc. 

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Re: Dealing with N - Data on Baiting / Doctrine of Diminished Communication
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2008, 12:01:49 AM »
Hi Confounded,

It sounds as though you live in a very narrow tightly locked orbit. Around him...his responses...his lack of responses...his triggers...his exact wordings...his errors of reason...his mistakes...his illogic...his foolishness.

It sounds as though you are "locked on" to him.

[on edit: Sorry for the bluntness of the questions that follow, Confounded. I was sooper-tired when I posted and just dredged up the bones of the questions that were popping in my head. I should have done a more sensitive preamble. So...they're still blunt, but I do mean them kindly. I was visualizing you in such tight orbit, thinking about how smart you are--so smart that sparks fly out of your writing--and wishing you happy. What a good thing, for you to feel happy and content and eager for each morning, engaged in discovery. I wanted to ask these in hope of helping you ask yourself, if you want to, whether the "locked focus" I think I perceive...is going to give you a good life, down the long years. Or, better put, if it's going to give you the life you want, down the long years. Hope this helps.]

How can this be healthy for you?
What is it (your locked focus on him) doing to you?

What is this costing you?

Do you see any way out?

What do you want for yourself? Do you want to stay?

Do you want a new life apart from him?

The life you want.

hugs,

Hops

« Last Edit: February 16, 2008, 02:52:39 PM by Hopalong »
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Re: Dealing with N - Data on Baiting / Doctrine of Diminished Communication
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2008, 10:59:43 AM »
Dear Confounded,
  Part of what upset me last night was baiting.It feels really "icky ", especially if you do not feel well, anyway.I think that you are making good progress.             Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Dealing with N - Data on Baiting / Doctrine of Diminished Communication
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 09:33:47 AM »
Thanks for your thoughts.  I will check out the 'medium chill' link.

All I can say is that I wish I had learned as a child that many people would bait me, for their own purposes (some sick), and that I had a perfect right and even a responsibility to IGNORE them.  I did not learn that, particularly with respect to personal rather than business relationships.  I was way too quick on the draw at home. 

2/15 - One of my children took the bait thrown out by the n'ish one.  I told her, in front of him, "You took the bait.  He threw it out there to get your reaction, and you gave him what he wanted." She didn't have a chance to say anything in reply before the n'ish one said, "Hook, line, and sinker." The topic changed...  I'll get back with the kids on this later.  I will teach them what was not taught to me.

2/16 - The n'ish one tried to steer the agenda for the day.  I wanted to finish an outdoor project.  I ignored his efforts to preclude my input.  At one point he said, "I know that you like to ignore me."  I ignored that.  We did the work that I wanted to get done, and then had a lovely date night.

This is working. 

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Re: Dealing with N - Data on Baiting / Doctrine of Diminished Communication
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 02:33:11 PM »
The only way to win is to walk away.  Thank you Joe Walsh for the theme song to go with this 'medium chill' strategy.

Here's a link to the Zen master story.  It's all related, and thank heavens (and thank you) it works!

http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3//index.php?topic=6891.0