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sKePTiKal

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New Book - looks interesting!
« on: January 03, 2010, 05:57:08 AM »
"The Master and his Emissary: the Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World" - Iain McGilchrist...

talks about how our L-R brains work together (or don't) and other neuroscience-psychology topics... how this "biology" helps create subjective "experience"... and then he even weaves in a sociological interpretation about how these different ways of perceiving have helped to "color" society and culture...

obviously, right up my alley - but thought I'd share since TT's thread has gotten a lot of people talking about experience & more...

Here is a snippet of a review by Mary Midgley, The Guardian (UK):

This is a very remarkable book. It is not (as some reviewers seem to think) just one more glorification of feeling at the expense of thought. Rather, it points out the complexity, the divided nature of thought itself and asks about its connection with the structure of the brain.

McGilchrist, who is both an experienced psychiatrist and a shrewd philosopher, looks at the relation between our two brain-hemispheres in a new light, not just as an interesting neurological problem but as a crucial shaping factor in our culture. He questions the accepted doctrine that the left hemisphere (Left henceforward) is necessarily dominant, the practical partner, while the right more or less sits around writing poetry. He points out that this "left-hemisphere chauvinism" cannot be correct because it is always Right's business to envisage what is going on as a whole, while Left provides precision on particular issues. Moreover, it is Right that is responsible for surveying the whole scene and channelling incoming data, so it is more directly in touch with the world. This means that Right usually knows what Left is doing, but Left may know nothing about concerns outside its own enclave and may even refuse to admit their existence.

Thus patients with right-brain strokes – but not with left-brain ones – tend to deny flatly that there is anything wrong with them. And even over language, which is Left's speciality, Right is not helpless. It usually has quite adequate understanding of what is said, but Left (on its own) misses many crucial aspects of linguistic meaning. It cannot, for instance, grasp metaphors, jokes or unspoken implications, all of which are Right's business. In fact, in today's parlance, Left is decidedly autistic. And, since Left's characteristics are increasingly encouraged in our culture, this (he suggests) is something that really calls for our attention.


I don't have time to read, until the move is done... but books are still showing up in & at my house despite the "library" getting packed a month ago...
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Re: New Book - looks interesting!
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 12:03:03 PM »
Thanks Amber. About to grab the review section.

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Re: New Book - looks interesting!
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 09:24:38 PM »
Sounds very very interesting. I am a lefthander myself, and suspect I have mixed dominance. I wish I could find out if I have mixed or actual reversed hemispheric dominance, just because I am curious.

I have had to force my hemispheres to work closely together in the last 15 years. My daughter, who was abandoned to an orphanage at birth and didn't get to come home with us til age 14 months, came to us not "seeing" gestures, body postures, facial expressions, other nonverbal cues; not hearing tone of voice, inflections, etc. She has tremendous problems using language. She chattered away precociously but much of it was repetitive nonsense; her UNDERSTANDING of language was far beneath her USE of language. It is my understanding that the left hemisphere is responsible for the words and syntax; the right is responsible for construction of meaning and understanding of the intent of language.

Along those same lines, it is thought that the right hemisphere is responsible for "avoidance" social behaviors and the left is responsible for "approach" behaviors --- and it is thought that the social promiscuity you see in kids from institutions, that usually have attachment disorders, is because the right frontal lobe is underdeveloped due to lack of stimulation. My daughter would go to any old lady in Walmart and would approach icky looking total strangers, not to mention all of the nice people at church or at the park. She still has weird issues with giggling and looking amused totally inappropriately, like when she hears about something awful happening or even when someone is speaking about a serious subject. this alienates other people, and I understand what is happening and it still annoys the heck out of me.

When she was 11, her horse fell with her and she cracked her skull and had a concussion --- on the right side. After the first freak-out was over and it was apparent that she was not going to die or be in a coma or be paralyzed --- I thought, great, just what she needs, a big old injury to the right hemisphere.

Back to my first point: I have had to work HARD at putting stuff that you can't verbalize into words. Explaining to her what tone of voice, gestures, facial expressions, nuances, all that nonverbal stuff, all mean. I couldn't believe how hard it was to explain in words why I got so mad when she would give me a little amused smile while I was speaking seriously to her, or why that same irritating thing would cause her younger brother to yell at her. When she was little, I had to explain "this (hand up, palm toward her) means stop. This (hand out, palm up) means take my hand."

I have learned to explain a lot but there is so much that she has no clue about because nobody can explain it to her. She does not pick up on it. She goes about unaware of so many subtle social rules and as a result tramples on other people's feelings and alienates others. Yet she does not appear to be on the autism spectrum, at least to have a casual conversation with her. It's a weird place for a child/teen to be --- not handicapped enough to be obvious, not even enough to get any kind of diagnosis, but handicapped enough that she is functionally disabled in complex situations.

She comes across as narcissistic. She blows you off when you try to explain that she is making you feel invalidated (and no, I don't try to use that particular term with her). She has limited ability to use logic in social situations. If once she comes to a conclusion, there is no changing her no matter what the evidence. She constantly uses the wrong word or even a really jumbled combination of words, and then blames the listener when we don't understand her. If we do finally figure out what she's trying to say, and say, "Oh, you mean X but you actually said Y," she deflects your correction by saying, "What I said meant the same thing." So you never get the sense that she is learning from her mistakes, because she never seems to register it when she's made a mistake.

She has limited ability to name feelings and for sure has not attained (at the age of 15) the ability to be aware of mixed feelings or conflicting feelings happening at the same time (which usually comes online around the age of 9 or 10). When something is odd, or strange, or creepy, or elicits some other uncommon feeling ... she calls it all "funny."

The logic thing is really disturbing ... she comes to really weird conclusions about a lot of things, but especially social situations. She still holds a grudge against my husband and I because we quit letting her hang out with a girl down the street after the head injury mentioned above ... we found out that this particular girl had been the reason my daughter had gotten on the horse in the first place (she had not been given permission to ride him except under supervision, and we just assumed she had been disobeying us on her own, immediately following the accident, but more evidence was uncovered afterwards). She doesn't apparently care that the reason we cut off the relationship was her personal, physical safety around an older girl that was manipulating her to do dangerous things.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I'm "hijacking" this thread ... if needed I can move this post ... but although I KNOW that my daughter has neuro issues, I do feel like I've raised a narcissist. She's not mean --- she has a lot of empathy for animals and babies and little children, but her ability to see others' viewpoints is sooo limited, and once a person gets old enough for her to feel challenged by their maturity, her empathy for them evaporates. Her younger brother (3 years younger) was "her baby" when he was born, but years ago she began to feel threatened that he was surpassing her in school and other intellectual ways. Which is true really, but it is sad and frustrating because she takes every possible opportunity to put him down and try to diminish him. I call both of them on it when they say inappropriate things to one another, and they both can be jerks to one another, but really a lot of it stems from her insecurity and inability to empathize totally.

I'm not sure why I'm rambling about this except it's really distressing to feel like she is a narcissist, whether this is because of neurological issues or not.

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Re: New Book - looks interesting!
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2010, 06:24:20 AM »
Heart, you're not hijacking at all! And no, I don't think your D qualifies as a narcissist, if she is capable of empathy  - even if it's in limited situations. But she is a good example of why I find this topic really fascinating and important to my understanding of "how people work".

Commonly, we assign certain skills or perceptions to one side of the brain or the other... and even categorize ourselves as predominantly left or right. Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain led me into that conclusion. But what this book explains is that most of us are actually more integrated than that... and I'm hoping that the known plasticity of the brain - it's ability to compensate for injury (and emotional wounds qualify sometimes as a "brain injury") is fit into the ideas presented.

What I experienced was a type of dissociation that prevented me from the "normal" integration of Left-Right brain areas of capability or function. And yes, the source was an attachment issue at the emotional core. It wasn't too severe, or maybe I was just extremely lucky in my choice of therapist - over the course of a couple of years, it's getting/gotten a lot better. Kinda sounds like your D might be somewhat similar. It's sort of an imbalance... that can be more or less corrected or coped with, functionally. Does your D like puzzles or video games? I've found this keeps my Lbrain busy enough that I can tap into the "well-being" calm feelings and more holistic understanding of Rbrain when I'm troubleshooting, problem-solving, or working through something that seems to have no solution. Like how some people can actually study better with TV or music rather than in a non-distracting environment.

Anyway, that's why this topic is so fascinating to me... I think there is hope for improvement. And it's a good template for a way to understand how/why the reactions to abuse or difficult early childhoods are so different in people.
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Re: New Book - looks interesting!
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 12:15:56 PM »
Thanks, PR, it is a fascinating subject. My daughter probably would not qualify as an N (and neither would my mother, who is N enough to frustrate me but most likely would not rise to the level of a diagnosis) ... but even "subthreshold" N traits can make you crazy. But I guess the reason I brought it up on this thread was because I wonder if the Ns in our lives have actual brain damage. You know, individual parts of the brain can be knocked out while everything around that spot works OK. This can result in some weird, weird dysfunction. Some of the weird dysfunctions I have either heard described in textbooks or observed ...

* Being able to see when something is in motion but not being able to see something that's still (specific damage to the occipital lobe of the brain)

* Recognizing familiar places and people but being convinced that they are all impostors, that they look exactly like your home/loved ones but are fake (damage to the connections with the emotional centers of the brain, while the connections with recognizing faces and familiar environments are intact)

One of the things I've noticed with my daughter that any kind of emotional arousal seems to knock out her ability to use logic, and knocks out her ability to take in new information. At a low level, this kind of "disability" is common in teenagers. However, she has it to a high degree.

These things all definitely do have to do with how she went through a prolonged "unattached" period of life --- first, the first fourteen months of life, and then, probably three to five years after adoption when she had lost the ability to attach/bond and we had to work on reestablishing that capacity with her. It definitely does mess up your brain.

But, it is actually related to this message board ... because I think that the Ns in our lives have particular kinds of brain damage.

I think the specific kind of crazymaking that you get with an N is definitely related to attachment. For example, my aunt who is a highly frustrating N, found out late in life from an Xray that she had had her collarbone broken.  My grandmother was a small person, and my aunt was a big (first) baby. My grandmother reported that my aunt cried for the first six months of life. So probably her collarbone was broken during birth. Can you imagine what it would do to you if your baby screamed every time you touched her for the first six months? Especially if she was your first and you had no real mothering experience yet? As the baby, can you imagine how awful it would be, to be in severe pain every time a human being touched you? Severe pain experiences are known to be one of the causes of insecure attachment --- babies normally expect parents to be able to help them, and when parents can't help, the basic trust doesn't develop properly. And you especially can't help if you don't know what's wrong.

And there have been lots of periods in human history where babies did not have optimal chances to attach and become secure, because the human community was too busy making sure as many people as possible survived. During the Great Plagues, the sweatshops of the Industrial Revolution, the Dark Ages.

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Re: New Book - looks interesting!
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2010, 08:08:13 PM »
Quote From Phoenix Rising:

This means that Right usually knows what Left is doing, but Left may know nothing about concerns outside its own enclave and may even refuse to admit their existence.

OK, this is one of those weird synchronicity things ... when PR posted this, it made me think about the verse in the Bible where Jesus said when giving to the poor, don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing. And I have this Bible app on my phone, and that app has a feature called the Daily Read ... guess what verse was on the Daily Read today.

Of course I haven't figured out if this has any kind of meaning, but I did think it was weird.

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 09:26:25 AM »
I am being told that this book is also a good one: http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Hardware-Soul-Enhance-Spiritual/dp/143910039X

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Re: New Book - looks interesting!
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 07:00:47 AM »
Heart:

I do think that eventually "science" will "discover" that lots of so-called disabilities are actually neuro-emotional dysfunctions. There is a subtle, hard to discern path of Asperger's running through my FOO... and in my grandson and brother, I theorize that this is their individual form of coping with attachment dysfunctions. I'm not completely "immune" to this DNA trait, either - but the path and coping techniques are different.

I had a baby that cried constantly - my youngest D. There was no physical cause that anyone could discover and no one could soothe or calm her. It confused me; made me feel horribly responsible - and terribly helpless at the same time. And of course, I was blamed for the "problem" by the Ns in my life... but when this D turned 2 and began to talk - the problem gradually disappeared. It was only in times of total stress or overwhelming anxiety or tension, that she would have "meltdowns". In this trait, she and I are alike. The experience is as though there is no "center" to "us" - instead, there is simply a flood of intense sensory/emotional perceptions (which I'm guessing is a right-brain dominant experience, without the "order-imposing" Lbrain integrated). This flood is fearful in that it threatens to drown & carry the "ego" or sense of individual self completely away.

In attachment theory, "mom" helps re-establish comfort, safety, and emotional equilibrium in the infant - "OK-ness" repetitively, until the child learns to do this on his/her own (that "center", maybe??) I've bolded "equilibrium"... because lately, I've come to understand that this is a whole lot more important to people - lots of different kinds of people - and that there is a whole range to it: from the simple "no immediate task or threat" of downtime... to a profound sense of well-being, joy, and "all is right with the world". And the ironic thing, is that this is provided via Rbrain... which is, through "experience", a learned fearful "state" for some of us ...

theory... all theory... conjecture... supposing... wondering...
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