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sKePTiKal

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Fifty Shades of ????
« on: June 14, 2012, 09:11:19 AM »
Hmmm. I pushed the wrong key and have to start over.

Is anyone else reading Fifty Shades of Grey? I'm sure everyone's heard about the sex angle of the books, or is aware of it. I assured myself that there was at least SOME plot before I committed to reading. I'm hooked.   :oops:

To say it has a lot of sex in it is the understatement of the century - and I do not mean gothic romance. I do not know how a male author could write some of these descriptions; if indeed the author is male. I imagined it being rated XXX as a movie and then reassured myself that Hollywood simply couldn't do it justice or find a way to fig-leaf those parts, yet still tell the story. When looking to find out the author's gender I found that they are indeed contemplating a movie.

But - and this might be a less common reading of the book - sex is beside the point of the book. Sure there's a lot of it, and I find it's beginning to be tedious as a literary device, now that I'm on the second book of the series. What is absolutely fascinating to me, and has me devouring page after page, are the psychological back-stories of the main characters as they form a relationship. This is Ana's first serious relationship and she's head over heels.  The email banter between Grey & Ana has me laughing out loud a lot, in recognition of my own relationship. The power-struggle between the two; the "see-saw" of connectedness/autonomy involved; their difficulties learning to communicate and understand each other and of course, Christian Grey's very neglected and abused childhood experiences and "self". The descriptions of what is "controlling"... the minefield of trying to establish boundaries... and each other's primal needs for unconditional love versus maintaining individual selves and allowing those selves to evolve and grow. He has all the classic attachment issues that we've talked about periodically, here. Initially, he seems quite N - a lot like my ex#2 - and then we start to get glimpses of his "inside" self and past.

OY! It's like a primer for transforming and overcoming dysfunctional interpersonal patterns. I certainly didn't expect that, especially after the initial raw, steamy sex scenes. I thought it was going to be a thinly plotted, trashy novel. It's waaaay more than that. At least for me, it's teaching me a lot... and bringing up lots of questions to work with, myself.

I just wondered if anyone else had ventured into this and had the same reaction.
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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2012, 02:47:14 PM »
 :D Heard it through the grapevine that this series is the next "it" thing. Haven't read it though.

An old Irish room-mate of mine said "Americans are obsessed with sex".

I was embarrassed to read a couple of Nora Roberts books from the Bride Trilogy. I enjoyed the first one and then couldn't get through the last one. The upside is that I now appreciate every single wedding dress-in the window that I pass by. Before I read the books I just couldn't understand what the big deal was with wedding dresses.

I guess characters in books can be models of behaviors or archetypes etc.

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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2012, 07:01:01 AM »
The book even mentions this process of "seeing oneself in literary characters"... what I shorthand to call "identification". And some of that is recognition of archetypes or patterns. It's way easier to see those subtle things that "go wrong" between people in others than ourselves, I think. I know a little something first-hand about dysfunctional romantic relationships... so I'm getting lots of glimpses of my own past experiences jumping out of the book...
 
you know how you wind up wondering: how did I get here? what did I do - when - how - to get here? Is there ANY way to fix it? in relationships, that is.

what's kind of interesting, is that I'm also seeing doors of options... alternative choices... and even walking through some of those, In Real Life. Honestly, I'm finding myself constantly going back & forth... relating first to Christian and his mom-issues - some of the effects of that; then Ana... and her low self-esteem. Yet I can't seem to drag myself away from the story - and almost lost the battery in my kindle, because I wanted to finish the scene of her meeting with Christian's T. It's kinda like I'm hoping there's a big "moral to the story" or denouement and I'm really anxious to get there, so I can start processing "what I think of the book". Or looking for a big personal AHA moment...

I generally don't like to form an opinion while still reading - but this is certainly an exception.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2012, 01:22:56 AM »
Page turners are always fun. Alternative choices?

Do you think the author wrote this story about herself? It is a she I just googled it.

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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2012, 08:26:45 AM »
Good question - it's hard to say if she simply did research or if it's written from personal experience. I've managed to get into book 3 now (in a little over a week and still pretty busy in 3-D) and I will say that there are no "slow" parts. WSJ had an article about what they call "fan literature" - fans of certain things like Harry Potter or Twilight try to write their one themselves. This author started out emulating the Twilight series, which I'm perversely proud to say never has interested me and I've been able to avoid it. Each to his own - and I've already done the vampire thing with "Dark Shadows".

But the psychological plots in Fifty Shades? Now, I got to think that's written from personal experience -- either she KNOWS and is "one of us" -- or she had a relationship with someone who's suffered that much.

My fascination is 100% on the successful "getting past it" that's going on... and trying to nail down just what that entails. Another thing I really like is the description of Ana's thought-processes. She has an inner goddess and a very judgemental prudish subconscious; victorian even. Conversations between the 3 centers of Self are pretty interesting and funny, too. I think I'm missing the inner goddess who is queen of her whole domain and revels in being adored. Either that, or she's been asleep for a long time. On vacation or extended assignment or something. Noticeably absent. And I certainly recognize some of the same kinds of communication issues I've had with hubby over the years -- and to some extent still have -- in how Christian and Ana have completely different frames of reference -- and mis-perceive each other and the other's intention/meaning of words as a result.

It's very revealing - and useful to me - to read the same kinds of things going on in these characters. The Alternate Choices I see in 3-D, have been informed by "knowing" while reading - how and where Ana and Christian have stopped communicating directly and started sliding past each other. When I'm talking to hubby and we're having another repetition of a certain kind of conversation that goes nowhere except the same old same old... I can use my "observing ego" to step just to the side - recognize the pattern - and say something that's more communicative of what I really feel/think... instead of just doing the same old same old.

I've halfway decided I might even re-read the whole trilogy again, after finishing book 3. Last book I reacted to like that, was Lord of the Rings... as a young teenager. There is just SO much detail, I want to verify that I read it correctly. But it's possible I'll get to the end of it, and be very disappointed. That might be OK and I might still reread it. Jury's still out on that! LOL...
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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2012, 10:19:00 PM »
You have done the vampire thing but you have not done the vampire AND werewolf thing. It's like hotdog without ketchup.

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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2012, 09:09:32 AM »
I put mustand & pickle relish on my hotdogs...

guess I'm just weird! LOL...
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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 05:20:53 AM »
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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2012, 08:29:13 AM »
So, I've finished all three books and the addenda at the end... processing for a bit.

I'm disappointed that Dr. Flynn - Christian's T - only has a minor supporting role. Only one T scene in the whole series. But I did learn that there is a therapy out there, I hadn't heard of: Solution Focused Brief Therapy. SFBT for short. I made a mental sticky note, to check this out after I finished the book. Here's a quick definition. I kinda like the part about "using little successes" to help us "solve" old problems.

What is Solution-Focused Brief Therapy (SFBT)?

As the name suggests, it is about being brief and focusing on solutions, rather than on problems. We learned a long time ago that when there is a problem, many professionals spend a great deal of time thinking, talking, and analyzing the problems, while the suffering goes on. It occurred to a team of mental health professionals at the Brief Family Therapy Center that so much time and energy, as well as many resources, are spent on talking about problems, rather than thinking about what might help us to get to solutions that would bring on realistic, reasonable relief as quickly as possible.

We discovered that problems do not happen all the time. Even the most chronic problems have periods or times when the difficulties do not occur or are less intense. By studying these times when problems are less severe or even absent, we discovered that people do many positive things that they are not fully aware of. By bringing these small successes into their awareness and repeating the successful things they do when the problem is less severe, people improve their lives and become more confident about themselves.

And, of course, there is nothing like experiencing small successes to help a person become more hopeful about themselves and their life. When they are more hopeful, they become more interested in creating a better life for themselves and their families. They become more hopeful about their future and want to achieve more.

Because these solutions appear occasionally and are already within the person, repeating these successful behaviors is easier than learning a whole new set of solutions that may have worked for someone else. Thus, the brief part was born. Since it takes less effort, people can readily become more eager to repeat the successful behaviors and make further changes.

Solution-Focused Brief Therapy has taken almost 30 years to develop into what it is today. It is simple to learn, but difficult to practice because our old learning gets in the way. The model continues to evolve and change. It is increasingly taken out of the therapy or counseling room and applied in a wide variety of settings where people want to get along or work together.


Kinda neat that this mirrors what I've been reading in neuroscience, too -- about rewiring our own brains, enabling us to "edit" our habits and emotional reactions. I also like the premise that while we can spend years picking through the debris of the past and never really find an answer to the existential "Why Me?" question - what really matters and is helpful to us is finding Point A (where we are now), choosing Point B (where we want to be), and then assessing what resources we have in our very selves to help us make Point B our new reality. Along the way, there is room for, a place for all the organic parts of our lives and the "who we are"... humor, play, other people, reflection, seriousness, even OCD obsession and drive...

And I'm also a fan of practicing therapy outside the counseling room. It echoes the old Sufi saying: Be in the world, not of it. Real "success" in those kinds of transformations within - is based on actual ongoing experiences, changes in our behavior, "out there" in the big wide world. I guess I figure being "enlightened" as a hermit on top of some isolated mountain or hidden away in some ashram is all well & good... but if a person can face their own selves, figure out how to stop dysfunctional habits (like self-sabotage) and through some emotional alchemy turn them into functional habits, and take some of that "enlightenment" back outside of oneself...

well, the world is running a deficit of wisdom, happiness, love and compassion. Always does, I think. If some of us - even one of us - can add just one iota to that side of the good-evil balance sheet... in the big, objective reality shared by everyone and everything on the planet, it HELPS. And then the answer to the big question we've all wrestled with - the "why"... well, pish-posh... it just doesn't matter because an answer to that question doesn't point the way to evolving and growing into who we want to be.

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On Edit: OK, I just scrolled down the google page and SFBT ALSO stands for "Scottish Federation of Baton Twirlers" - LOL!! This is actually, ironically appropriate as a juxtaposition to the therapy description, for me...
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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 11:20:03 AM »
I've not read this book, and am only aware of it from hearing it mentioned in passing, but will now put it on my list of "books to read."

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Good question - it's hard to say if she simply did research or if it's written from personal experience.

I don't know anything about this specific author or book, but as a writer myself, I can tell you that most writers tend to write what they know. Some writers have insane imaginations and can write on any subject, but I think even the best, most prolific authors pull from their own experiences. That's just my own observation, from years of writing classes and workshops. When you start to write, you will often be advised to write what you know and research the rest, so this book could be a combination of the two.

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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2012, 05:32:12 AM »
I didn't read all the posts in case thy spoiled something. I just received the 3 books from aAmazon, @ $8.00 apiece!

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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2012, 07:08:31 AM »
Good luck Iz! The book challenged a lot of my ideas (sort of substituting gratuitous sex for gratuitous violence), and also disappointed me at the end. I was really looking for "more" in the way of explanation or story, of how their relationship helped transform each of them.

Overall, it was one of those breathtaking page turners though. I'll wait until you've read it... and we can compare notes. I'll be real interested in your take!
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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2012, 05:15:17 PM »
Hey PR,

Sent you a couple of PMs and few days back---- did you get them?

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Re: Fifty Shades of ????
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 06:39:23 AM »
Ah, Iz... yes I did... I'm just losing my mind kind of busy again - going in too many directions. Maybe today?
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