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My give a damn's busted
« on: October 24, 2012, 11:26:39 AM »
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So now mom is on a new kick.  She wants up to have a "normal relationship" just like "all her friends" have with their daughters.

Wow.

However, a normal relationship does not involve her actually admitting she ever did anything wrong or that my childhood was anything other than perfect.  It does not allow for me to be impatient or irritable or overwhelmed with her constant demands. In her version of a normal relationship it is OK for her to promise things that cannot be delivered and I have to lie down and take that. Gaslighitng, truth-bending, and manipulation are all Ok, as long as they come from her.

Funny thing is, for a while we had perfected the art of the surface relationship.  She can be pretty good company when she is not being a whiny bitch. I learned not to expect too much, and the hoops I had to jump through were minor.  So long as I kept up my end of the deal--pretending everything was perfect--things went well.  Light conversation, helping her with doors and curbs, nothing I couldn't handle.

Think of Alice in Wonderland making repeat trips down the rabbit hole.  She might never gt totally used to the shifting rules and bizarro nature of the people down there, but at least she would be prepared to expect the unexpected. 

So for a variety of reasons (guilt, money, christian charity, trying to provide my son with a grandmother, trying to keep my son in touch with his cousins) I have dealt with the family nuttiness.

For the last few years things have been  getting tenser.  In one year, her husband died, my family moved further south, and bro-whatever's family moved to another state. That was 6 years ago and that was when she started with the heavy duty manipulations and drama. So here comes the vicious spirial--as she tries harder to manipulate me (the only family she has in this state) I pull back more, which makes her up the ante, which makes me hostile--you know how it goes. The fact that I have been depending on her for financial support--a situation she could have helped alleviate if she had co-signed on a home loan for me years ago--has only made things more tense. Last spring, we got the HAMP mortgage adjustment AND some inheritance money from Ted's dad, and I thought things would be fine.  Financially, I would no longer be dependent on her, and that should have taken off some of the pressure.

Well--Continuing car drama, some very stupid financial mistakes on our part,  and a very dry summer at my work, along with sick pets and other minor emergencies have depleted our savings. I am looking for a new job. Stress is building.

Meanwhile, she has been perfecting her techniques.  Her health really does seem to be failing (not fast enough, I guess) and she plays the helpless card constantly.

 It's hard to say what is actually wrong with her, except for her eyesight getting worse. (she says)  Many of her problems are her own doing--she refuses to drink milk or even water (dehydration and poor bone density) she refused to sleep in a bed for years (we finally ganged up on her and made her buy a day bed for the TV room) which contributes to her back problems--she goes to the chiropractor as much as her medicare or insurance or whatever will let her but she won't do any of the exercises they give her at home...so it's hard to feel bad for her health problems. 

She likes to travel, and of course you would have to make accommodations for any old person on unfamiliar stairs, etc.  But OMG! She seems to purposely make herself more helpless --and even more disturbing, disgusting--on these trips.  This trip we just took to Lake Geneva was the second one this year (the first was the annual family fiasco at Door County) and it was truly horrible. She slopped her food around on her plate at breakfast until the innkeeper cut it for her, screamed and cried every time she had to climb up or down the stairs at the B&B, would not allow me to sleep--and the absolute best Kodak moment was when she woke me up screaming that she could not find the bathroom and if somebody didn't come and help her RIGHT NOW she would pee all over the floor. Strangest thing was, she was talking about peeing on YOUR FLOOR apparently addressing her comments to the innkeeper. 

In the middle of all this, there is a constant tug-of-war between her and her need to make me do even the simplest things for her (cut her food, show her to the same bathroom multiple times a day, turn the shower off and on for her) and my need to breathe a little and NOT do all that shit.  She treated me like paid help.   Without actually telling me what to do, she manipulated and pushed buttons on me and kept me from ever sitting down or relaxing or even getting a good night's sleep. Back at home, my car is in the shop.  I have told her how much the mechanic says it will be (his estimate, $3000) and my son continues to remind me of the obvious: she has promised to pay for the damn thing, and this trip is our end of the deal. Be nice, Mom, he tells me.  I'm trying. Also, Ted and I have planned a short trip to Door county to stay in the property owned by the vacation club we joined years ago, when we both worked full time and money was not so tight. So poor Ted (maybe not) is at home, working all day and busting his ass at night to do all my housework and his too, trying to get ready for this trip.

So in the middle of all this, she forces an argument about why can't we have a normal relationship like all her friends (both of them) have with their daughters. So I tell her. Here come the gaslights, the tears, the dramatic wringing of hands. I walk away.  She follows.  The bell rings for Round 2.  I walk away.  She follows. I lose patience and lock my door.

Next day she manages her own food and behaves in a fairly normal way.  Thank God its the last day. So I think, I guess she's gotten over that.

Now the car is ready.  I call to tell her the final bill.  Well, she will  try to help me.  But my uncle is coming over tomorrow and he helps her with her money, and she does not know how much she has. Now I am mad.  It's not about the money, its about the promise.  If she had not made that stupid promise, Ted would have gone to HR before we left to see about a loan (we just paid off the last one a couple of months ago!).  I would not have gone to Lake Geneva with her, I would have stayed home and worked! I would have done everything differently!

Oh, my god.  Here comes another one, just like the other one. The drama! The tears! The humanity of it all! Why cant we just be a family!

ANd do you know what?  I'll admit, I started getting embroiled again.  I did. We got to screaming and she hung up on me. Then she called me back and again stared in on how she jsut wanted to be a family.  So in a moment of clarity I told her,

"Our relationship is what it is.  You will not give an inch and admit you ever did anything wrong, so it is just going to be shallow and superficial and that is all there is to it.  I will continue to turn up and do things with you, and I will smile and we can pretend everything is perfect just like we have been doing.  But it is really too late to try and change anything now. You can take it as it is or you don't have to call me again. It's up to you. I have to go now." And I hung up the phone.

So her brother blew her off again (he is always doing that) and the next day she called and wanted to know when I was going to pick up the check. 

WHAT-EVER!

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Re: My give a damn's busted
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 06:45:36 AM »
uh-oh.

I'm not sure how old your mom is... but she clearly is wanting to be mothered -- to reverse the roles.

My MIL once confided in me, that when you're really old... that's all you want: someone to tuck you in at night, be there, etc. just like you were a child again. But at the same time - she simply wasn't at all comfortable with allowing people to do for her. For a lot of complex reasons, I was perfectly suited to be her "always there" person. She filled up my "missing mom" heart hole some because she was a normal, feeling, kind human being, so I never resented fixing her dinner - being company for her to make sure she ate - getting up in the middle of the night to help her to the bathroom. She couldn't stand it, though. My birthday was a couple days before her stroke. The card she gave me said that I'd been a real good mom to her... and my own mother didn't even call me. I think I amused her with my desperate, dedicated, persistent attempts to "fix" her health problems, too. And I think maybe I was her last project, so...

we both gave and got some of what we needed.

That is, in it's most basic form, what a relationship is. After that, I think maybe everything else involves trust.
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Re: My give a damn's busted
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 02:57:27 PM »
Phoenix,

You are so lucky to have a mom figure like that. I totally envy you.  I wish so much I could have someone to love like a mom, who would love me in return.

I think sometimes about trying to find my biological mother.It would be nice to see who she is, and may be she would like to have me as a daughter at this point in life. I could hardly do worse than what I have now.

As for my mother, I do what I can. I show up and do stuff with her and let her see her grandson to the best of my ability.  You are probably right that now she wants to be mothered somewhat,  but I cant give any more.  Every attempt I make to function in an appropriate relationship just winds up hurting me and sucking me into her drama. About a year or so ago she wanted me to take her grocery shopping every week, and it turned into this blood-sucking vortex into hell. After just 2 weeks, my husband forbade me to do it any more, telling me if I kept it up I would be a basket case in no time.

The really sad thing is, for years and years I wanted a normal relationship with her.  I would have given anything for her love and approval.   All I got was manipulation.  Now she claims she wants a normal relationship with me, whatever she thinks of as normal.  And I don't want anything to do with it. First of all, I suspect her idea of normal is exactly what she expected of me as a child: put up, shut up, smile, and pretend everything is perfect. I think I do a pretty good job of that anyway. Secondly, I know from experience that if I give in a little, she will escalate the situation until I have no peace.  She has done this to me before. 

And finally, even if I thought she was capable or interested in having a normal relationship that is honest and emotionally validating for both of us, I don't feel like it. It's mean, I know.  I feel mean even writing this. I don't care. Forty-three years of putting me dead last of everything, of never hearing me or caring who I was or what was happening to me.... putting the needs of my abusers, herself, even random strangers ahead of mine....

Sorry.  It's just too late now.  She wants to be mothered now? Too damn bad.  Where was she when I needed a mother? If she wants a daughter who is loving and caring and sympathetic to her needs now, she should have thought about that then.

Fuck her.



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Re: My give a damn's busted
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2012, 04:45:54 PM »
Phoenix,

You are so lucky to have a mom figure like that. I totally envy you.  I wish so much I could have someone to love like a mom, who would love me in return.

I think sometimes about trying to find my biological mother.It would be nice to see who she is, and may be she would like to have me as a daughter at this point in life. I could hardly do worse than what I have now.

As for my mother, I do what I can. I show up and do stuff with her and let her see her grandson to the best of my ability.  You are probably right that now she wants to be mothered somewhat,  but I cant give any more.  Every attempt I make to function in an appropriate relationship just winds up hurting me and sucking me into her drama. About a year or so ago she wanted me to take her grocery shopping every week, and it turned into this blood-sucking vortex into hell. After just 2 weeks, my husband forbade me to do it any more, telling me if I kept it up I would be a basket case in no time.

The really sad thing is, for years and years I wanted a normal relationship with her.  I would have given anything for her love and approval.   All I got was manipulation.  Now she claims she wants a normal relationship with me, whatever she thinks of as normal.  And I don't want anything to do with it. First of all, I suspect her idea of normal is exactly what she expected of me as a child: put up, shut up, smile, and pretend everything is perfect. I think I do a pretty good job of that anyway. Secondly, I know from experience that if I give in a little, she will escalate the situation until I have no peace.  She has done this to me before. 

And finally, even if I thought she was capable or interested in having a normal relationship that is honest and emotionally validating for both of us, I don't feel like it. It's mean, I know.  I feel mean even writing this. I don't care. Forty-three years of putting me dead last of everything, of never hearing me or caring who I was or what was happening to me.... putting the needs of my abusers, herself, even random strangers ahead of mine....

Sorry.  It's just too late now.  She wants to be mothered now? Too damn bad.  Where was she when I needed a mother? If she wants a daughter who is loving and caring and sympathetic to her needs now, she should have thought about that then.

Fuck her.




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Re: My give a damn's busted
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 06:34:35 PM »
Oh yeah - I know!

Just because she wants this... doesn't mean she'll get it from you... or anyone else. Or that she deserves it. Or that sometimes it's simply too late. I'm with ya on that score. (I just got kinda rambly in my reply... and it's always reassuring to remind myself that the other kind of mom-relationship DOES really exist.)

Maybe it would help to at least try a few things, to find your bio-mom. Maybe it would entail more time than you have right now. It's probably a huge risk, too. But surely you're old enough to have your adoption records, right? That would be a starting point. Tell her you want to research any potential health issues, you know?
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 11:18:45 PM »
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The really sad thing is, for years and years I wanted a normal relationship with her.  I would have given anything for her love and approval.   All I got was manipulation.  Now she claims she wants a normal relationship with me, whatever she thinks of as normal.  And I don't want anything to do with it. First of all, I suspect her idea of normal is exactly what she expected of me as a child: put up, shut up, smile, and pretend everything is perfect. I think I do a pretty good job of that anyway. Secondly, I know from experience that if I give in a little, she will escalate the situation until I have no peace.  She has done this to me before. 

And finally, even if I thought she was capable or interested in having a normal relationship that is honest and emotionally validating for both of us, I don't feel like it. It's mean, I know.  I feel mean even writing this. I don't care. Forty-three years of putting me dead last of everything, of never hearing me or caring who I was or what was happening to me.... putting the needs of my abusers, herself, even random strangers ahead of mine....

Sorry.  It's just too late now.  She wants to be mothered now? Too damn bad.  Where was she when I needed a mother? If she wants a daughter who is loving and caring and sympathetic to her needs now, she should have thought about that then.

Fuck her.

Geez Erin, I am right there with you.

In my last conversation, I mentioned that I interviewed for a job and she did not want to consider me getting it and going back to my independence because when that happens she pretty much knows we are DONE.  Her loss will come when I can't be manipulated anymore with money. Its coming soon, I hope. :)

I thought the other day that her betrayal (lying about her financial position and not honoring any kind of inheritance) was actually a beautiful gift for my independence. As resentful as I have been about what my cousins and some friends (with equal family resources) got in terms of financial help, I realize now, its better for me in the end, I will have accomplished more than they have and I won't have anything to owe her for or feel guilty about.

Anyway, its funny when the Ns feel indifference from us. Indifference is more powerful reactant for them than our anger. Anger keeps us entrenched and indifference is a letting go, I dont care, yeah WHAT-EVER and they cant manipulate that.  I dont advocate ever taking a phony attitude or faking a good one, but reacting with indifference can be very liberating.

((((((ERIN))))))

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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 06:47:53 AM »
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I dont advocate ever taking a phony attitude or faking a good one, but reacting with indifference can be very liberating.

THIS is very, very true Ales. Sometimes I have to remind myself that I'm tempted to care TOO much.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 11:57:44 AM »
((((Erin)))))

You said it, so eloquently:
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First of all, I suspect her idea of normal is exactly what she expected of me as a child: put up, shut up, smile, and pretend everything is perfect. I think I do a pretty good job of that anyway. Secondly, I know from experience that if I give in a little, she will escalate the situation until I have no peace.  She has done this to me before. 

These Ns wouldn't know a "normal" relationship if it bit them in the butt.  And more importantly, they'd be unwilling to accept/not sabotage it.  Because in the kind of normal relationship they're so-called "craving," both people are allowed feelings, boundaries and a point of view.  (Sorry, I find myself getting over-heated!  My NM is on one of these why-can't-we-be-a-normal-mother-and-daughter? kicks right now too!)  NMs are all talk when it comes to these things; their actions always speak otherwise.  They say they want peace (yet they cause drama); they want to be a close-knit family unit (yet they pit everyone against each other); they claim or expect us to assume they "love" us, yet they consistently prey on us when we're vulnerable.  I second your "fuck them!"

Anyway, I think you're doing a brilliant job not getting sucked in, gas-lit or manipulated by her.  I'm so sorry so much has been dumped on your plate right now.  Keep sharing here, and IRL with people who can actually hear you, help, relate and empathize.  Forget the Ns who feed on others' bad luck and anxiety. 

all my love, Kay x

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Re: My give a damn's busted
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 10:45:34 PM »
Its time to take a step back from her now.  She will be calling in a couple of weeks, wanting to know why I never call her.  Wanting to see me or something.  I am really tired right now, as in just exhausted bone-tired, and the thought of her wanting anything form me just now makes me cringe.  I need some time time to regroup. 

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Re: My give a damn's busted
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2012, 11:02:12 PM »
Hey Erin,
To me the biggest problem here is that you ask her for anything. She will use that in any way she can. You know that a promise means nothing - it is only leverage for control. I would avoid ANY dealings with her of any nature - even if it means getting a loan.
The rest reminds me so much of my NM. She acts by what she can get out of a situation. Feeble, old lady if it gets her attention, capable middle-ager if that works. She makes me sick and I avoid her for almost everything.
Take care and wishing you some inner peace and some space :)
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