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Twoapenny

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How do I stop feeling needy?
« on: March 25, 2013, 09:40:33 AM »
Hi all,

Well this sort of folllows on from what I've been thinking about regarding friendships in my life.  I've been looking at myself and my own role in these situtations and I have to admit I think I am quite needy and feel like I constantly need people to be contacting me, thinking of me, offering to do things for me.  I don't communicate this - I think I'm aware on some level that it's too much.  So I don't say anything but I do feel it.  If I don't hear from someone I tend to think they don't like me rather than thinking they're just busy and haven't had time to ring.  I do spend a lot more time on my own than most people so I think it's natural that I crave company more than someone who works in a busy office would, for example.  But does anyone have any thoughts on how to feel more positive and less needy - less reliant on other people's thoughts, feelings and actions I suppose?

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Re: How do I stop feeling needy?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2013, 12:08:40 AM »
I wonder... If you could initiate a call to one of those friends and inquire about what they've been up to? Make the call about them and your interest in them. Consider it a gift. Don't expect a gift in return... Simply give a gift for the joy of it.

I'm kinda connecting a bunch of dots right now, about what we learn about relationships, expect from them, etc. based on our relationships with parents. How that first relationship colors all our succesive ones. If you try the above and the person still doesn't contact you back... It might be time to move on to someone else for awhile. I think it might be a possibility that you have been told you're needy... Coz nm couldn't make time to spend time with you. And that perhaps your friends aren't the kind of friends you were hoping they would be.

And I could just be too close to my own stuff to see clearly too. So trash the idea if you think this old lady needs some sleep instead of trying to distract her anxious brain talking to someone else!  LOL
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Re: How do I stop feeling needy?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 01:43:07 PM »
Hi, Twoapenny.

I've wanted to reply to this post for a few days now. I still haven't gotten all of my thoughts together, so sorry if this sounds a bit disjointed.

The title of your thread is interesting to me. How do you stop feeling needy? Well, I don't think there's any way to stop feeling needy, especially if you're in need of something. And it's not as if you're acting outrageously needy. You'd like more friends in your life. Friendships where there's a nice balance of give and take.

There really is no shame in having needs. But I do think that many of us were taught to be ashamed of our needs. When everyone else's matter so much more than your own (our nutty N parents' needs always came first, right?), it's so easy to feel ashamed of our own. God knows, I do. But everyone has needs. Needs for love, affection, touch, friendship.

I'm dealing with the issue of friendships right now. For me, navigating friendships is one of the thorniest problems I've had to tackle. I tend to fall into frienships where I do most of the giving or listening or where I seem to put in much more effort, and I found that I felt resentful and depleted. I also have a very difficult time being open and authentic in friendships. I'm afraid that if they knew the real me or my history or how crazy my early life was or that if I'm not taking care of them or doing something for them or letting them use me,  they'll not want to be my friend. They'll run away screaming into the night. That, along with my tendency to mistrust women (can you say "mommy issues"?) made me want forget about this friendship business altogether.

But I do want friends in my life. I NEED friends in my life. So in the past year or so, I have very carefully reached out to one or two people who seem to genuinely know how to have a two-way friendship. One woman I met at work, the other in church. We go for lunch or coffee or to the gym together. It's been weird and awkward at times, but by going slowly and choosing people very carefully and really staying conscious of the balance of give and take, it's gotten better, I've gotten better. And I'm learning to enjoy real friendships for the first time in many, many years.

It takes time and effort and care. And there is always the risk that things will turn out sh*tty, but it's better than the alternative.

Hope that helps.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2013, 01:45:46 PM by Lollie »
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Re: How do I stop feeling needy?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2013, 11:00:01 AM »
Hi Tupp,
I loved Lollie's answer. So wise and warm.

I was stopped by your question because I was hit by the irony of it. It was a "needy" question. And I am the Queen of Need. If one needs something, and one ain't got it, one is "needy." Needy needy needy. It just fascinates me (in a frustrated way) that this has become the word it is today. Blech.

I wrote a lay sermon once that included this:
Loneliness is an inconvenient truth. Generally, loneliness gets a bad rap. It’s not a word you just sling around. You can say you’re so lonesome you could cry if you’re Elvis Presley or Roy Orbison or Bonnie Raitt, but nobody else gets away with it. It’s embarrassing. Sometimes it carries a whiff of something toxic. It’s almost like saying you’re unpatriotic. Loneliness is a very un-American emotion. Usually what comes right on the heels of naming it, if you even allow yourself to call loneliness what it is, is shame.

What if you just went around saying “I feel lonely” any time you actually felt that way? Right out loud. It doesn’t happen very often, does it? What holds us back from that simple piece of honesty? You can say, “I’ve got a hell of a cold,” can’t you? I know what holds me back. People might think:  That person is…CLINGY. A WET RAG. DEPENDENT. CO-DEPENDENT. WEAK. Or the worst epithet of all, the most humiliating: NEEDY.

I think most of these terms are relatively new accusations, and that they come from lives that are too pressured and fast and ambitions that are too strenuous to allow us to encounter and abide with each other, most days of our lives, in the graceful rhythms of community.

Haven’t we all had some friend or acquaintance, sometime or other, say to us, “I’m depressed. I’m bummed out. I’m in therapy. I’m in one of the stages of grief. I had a panic attack. I’m an alcoholic.” It might be a sobering moment to share with someone, but it’s probably not a very rare one. Any of these admissions are more likely to come from someone we know, even someone we know very well, than the words: “I am lonely.” One of the most remarkable phrases I read in a self-help book that described a man who sounded pretty lonely to me was that he was “walking around with his umbilical cord in his hand, looking for an outlet to plug it into.”

Ow! What’s up with that? It sounds like perfectly reasonable behavior to me. Isn’t this the sort of world that occasionally makes you want to climb a ladder back up into the womb? Even when we’re running from one thing to the next, busy all day long with work and family or this cause or that one, aren’t there times when we’re just struck cold by another dire piece of horrible news? There are times when the state of the world is so overwhelming to talk about that we just don’t. We stand limply in place saying “How are you?” and answering, “I’m fine.”


Anyway, Tupp, I think your needs for reciprocal, satisfying relationships, and an adult flowering of your own, and less isolation, and a change in your social approach -- are all just excellent.

How the heck can we ever meet a need if we don't identify it first? When it's just floating around under the surface and we don't: 1) have permission to think about it directly and boldly, or 2) have mercy on ourselves if that need reveals vulnerability or imperfection... then it just lurks around as shame. Rotting everything.

Don't be ashamed of feeling needy, Tupp. It's how you feel sometimes. But trust that if you do some of these new actions, make new choices, try new places, and abide with your growth in kindness toward yourself, you'll feel it less acutely.

I still have big spasms of it. And I accept them. But the intervals between feeling toxic about myself are much, much longer. And that is perhaps good enough.

love to you,
Hops

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Re: How do I stop feeling needy?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2013, 08:03:56 AM »
OH MY.

Thanks for sharing that wonderful bit of sermon, Hops. Such a gift you have!

Penny, I think Hops is right that there is shame - as sort of a secondary affliction in response to the recognition of a need - that's programmed into us. My reaction to that, is to do my best Clint Eastwood imitation and say: "Needs? What needs? I don't got no stinkin' needs." Which is just as blessed dysfunctional as it sounds.

Except for all you patient, understanding folk... there are only a couple of friends that I'd feel comfortable pouring out all the gory details of something to. I think it's that way for all of us, you know? The "inner circle" where we can say anything... the other folks in the bigger circle - who get the "reader's digest" version, cleaned up for general audiences... and the acquaintances, who only get the executive summary bullet points.

One other thing, then I'll let wiser voices take over: I'm absolutely convinced that sometimes - when in a needy space - it's just as fulfilling to make the effort to give of myself; do something unwarranted and very nice for someone else - because through that action, I'm also receiving something that soothes the need.
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Re: How do I stop feeling needy?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2013, 11:33:53 PM »
Hi all,

Thank you so much for your responses.  I haven't replied for ages because this has set of such an avalanche in me I've had to really think about things and I've been watching my own behaviour.

I've no idea of what a 'normal' relationship is supposed to feel like.  Phoenix, you are right, I have always felt that any 'demand' on my part was selfish and unnatural, another flaw in my character.  I have no point in my life that I can look to and say "that's how I want to feel again".  There's no point where I can say I felt consistently safe, wanted, loved or listened to.  I must know on some level that's what I want, otherwise I wouldn't notice the lack, I think?

I feel that talking about my needs - my thoughts, my feelings, my hopes and desires for the future - is wrong.  I get resentful listening to other people talk about themselves.  I feel cross if they don't ask me the questions that give me the opportunity to talk about what I want to - I need their permission to talk about myself perhaps?  I don't feel able to just speak about myself without prompting or reassurance from them that it's okay?

I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to spend time with me just because they like my company.  I think of myself as dull, boring, fake, tainted in some way.  Lollie, you said the same thing about people realising how crazy you are - I feel like that very much, that if people have any idea what goes on inside my mind they'll run for the hills and I'll be even more alone.

Hopsie, I realised the thing that stops me telling people I'm lonely is that I don't want them to feel guilty for not making any effort to make me feel less alone.  I can't quite get my head around that.  I do feel that I've been thoroughly abandoned by most of my friends.  I am really struggling with being direct about this.  I know that the right thing to do is to express this.  I recently got a call from a friend who'd taken four months to return my call.  That's not okay.  I felt that she didn't value our friendship, that I didn't matter to her, that she didn't particularly want to see me or spend time with me and that it's just plain bad manners.  I said it was fine when she apologised and that it didn't matter.  I do this a lot.  I think that either (a) she doesn't see it as a friendship - to me she's a friend, to her I'm someone she has coffee with when she's nothing better to do.  That seems to happen a lot to me as well.  She may see me as a friend but not see the need to treat me well - I think that less likely as she isn't like that with other people she knows.

Perhaps I am drawn to superficial friendships, where there isn't a point that we get close and share nitty gritty.  I think perhaps I attract fellow co-dependants.  I've a couple of friends who will run to my aid when things are really bad but don't really want much to do with me just to socialise, chat, have fund etc.  I've friends who I tend to hear from when they have problems (my own codependency coming through).  I don't know what it feels like to base a friendship on fun, mutual respect, shared interests and so on, instead of some messed up crap where I have to need them or they have to need me or some trigger from years ago goes off and has me running for people who don't really care about me and couldn't give a shit whether I'm there or not.  The thought of voicing my needs terrifies me - actually telling someone the truth about how I feel, how lonely I am, how hard I find my life.  And then dealing with their response to that - the rejection of them not caring that I feel like that or, even worse, them trying to do something about it and me feeling pathetically grateful that someone's noticed and is trying to make me feel better.  That makes me feel dirty, somehow.

Bleurgh.  I need to stop writing now, it's making me feel bad.  Sorry.  Thank you for all your thoughts and insights.  Tup xxx

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Re: How do I stop feeling needy?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 04:28:58 PM »
I hear this frustration...
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I recently got a call from a friend who'd taken four months to return my call.  That's not okay.  I felt that she didn't value our friendship, that I didn't matter to her, that she didn't particularly want to see me or spend time with me and that it's just plain bad manners. 


Boy, do I get that. For me, after all these years working on my reactivity...there's still one friend whose neglect pushes SUCH primal buttons. I've figured out that with her, I'm re-enacting FOO hurt. Not being seen or valued by my mother. So...when this particular friend (with whom I get along great when we do see each other, and with whom I sometimes have moments of great closeness) does her absence thing, which I interpret internally as a very primal abandonment...those triggers fly.

The other thing I can relate to, and I mean this non-judgementally, is the reflex to JUDGE the person who's neglecting, not needing us the way we need them, etc. As you pointed out her being "not okay" and "not valuing your friendship" etc.

The thing I continue to get into my skull is that my needing to judge her, as "not okay" or "not caring" is ... well, not relevant. I get such slim comfort from being "right." So...I've gotten into the old Victor Frankl thing of asking myself, what if it's actually true? What if she's careless about my feelings? What if she just doesn't WANT to respond to my need for reciprocity? What if it's true that she really DOESN'T value our friendship in the way that I would like it to be valued?

Very uncomfortable questions. But I find that if I keep asking them of myself in a new tone...drained of anger, but instead CURIOUS, I get some new answers. Like, "Oh."

I had a shrink once who made amazing use of that word. I would have such an emotional charge about something, or judgement of someone, and passionately explain it. And she would say, "Oh." Not in a cold way. Just not in a...I'm going to validate your hurt, kind of way. She didn't INvalidate that I was feeling pain. She just said, "Oh."

So I began to try to say that to myself. Ask those questions about what appears to be true, drain the "Okay vs. Not-Okay" judgment off (after venting it to myself)...and then I was left with the NEXT brilliant question that shrink would ask me. And that was, "Then what?"

How would that kind of thinking process go for you?

I'm sorry this is upsetting Tupp...but I think it's the Chinese kind...chaos preceeding growth or something like that.

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Re: How do I stop feeling needy?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2013, 01:06:29 AM »
I hear this frustration...
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I recently got a call from a friend who'd taken four months to return my call.  That's not okay.  I felt that she didn't value our friendship, that I didn't matter to her, that she didn't particularly want to see me or spend time with me and that it's just plain bad manners. 


Boy, do I get that. For me, after all these years working on my reactivity...there's still one friend whose neglect pushes SUCH primal buttons. I've figured out that with her, I'm re-enacting FOO hurt. Not being seen or valued by my mother. So...when this particular friend (with whom I get along great when we do see each other, and with whom I sometimes have moments of great closeness) does her absence thing, which I interpret internally as a very primal abandonment...those triggers fly.

The other thing I can relate to, and I mean this non-judgementally, is the reflex to JUDGE the person who's neglecting, not needing us the way we need them, etc. As you pointed out her being "not okay" and "not valuing your friendship" etc.

The thing I continue to get into my skull is that my needing to judge her, as "not okay" or "not caring" is ... well, not relevant. I get such slim comfort from being "right." So...I've gotten into the old Victor Frankl thing of asking myself, what if it's actually true? What if she's careless about my feelings? What if she just doesn't WANT to respond to my need for reciprocity? What if it's true that she really DOESN'T value our friendship in the way that I would like it to be valued?

Very uncomfortable questions. But I find that if I keep asking them of myself in a new tone...drained of anger, but instead CURIOUS, I get some new answers. Like, "Oh."

I had a shrink once who made amazing use of that word. I would have such an emotional charge about something, or judgement of someone, and passionately explain it. And she would say, "Oh." Not in a cold way. Just not in a...I'm going to validate your hurt, kind of way. She didn't INvalidate that I was feeling pain. She just said, "Oh."

So I began to try to say that to myself. Ask those questions about what appears to be true, drain the "Okay vs. Not-Okay" judgment off (after venting it to myself)...and then I was left with the NEXT brilliant question that shrink would ask me. And that was, "Then what?"

How would that kind of thinking process go for you?

I'm sorry this is upsetting Tupp...but I think it's the Chinese kind...chaos preceeding growth or something like that.

love
Hops

Oh  ;)  This is interesting and very different to how I normally think about stuff.  I'm going to give this some thought and apply it day to day.  Will report back.  Thank you! xx