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seasons

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I need help
« on: October 05, 2013, 12:51:38 PM »
from so old friends. I'm shaking a bit as it has always been hard for me to post, I'm hugely insecure when it comes to posting...so I'm trying to be brave and just do it and reach out. 

A little back ground... My middle teenage daughter got pregnant and has since had a beautiful, healthy daughter, after a bit of a scary start. Fast forward and today my granddaughter is 14 months old, her mother M is now 20 they live in our home with me and my husband and youngest daughter S who is 18.

Okay, Now the real problem... my two daughters have changed drastically in the last 2-3 years. They have become people I don't know and sadly scare the crap out of me.

I watch my granddaughter and love her with every fiber of my being. Her father isn't even 19 yet and lives at home with his parents and girlfriend, ( they broke up shortly after the birth of my granddaughter).

So basically we have to very young immature children raising their daughter with the help of both grandparents.

The father has had problems with anger, law etc. Is now on probation, and see therapist with my daughter court ordered. We took out a loan for a lawyer for our daughter to be represented.
My daughter has physical full time custody and they share legal joint custody, he recently started paying child support court ordered and had visitation court ordered.
So that is where they are right now.

Off track, now my problem. I feel like an abused person in my own home. I try and keep away from them as they are not home much. When they are I shake, and feel at their mercy. M is silent but a royal selfish unappreciative B, so sad to say about your own child.
I could make a list of her behavior but it would take forever and bore you.
For example I am able to watch her baby, she gives me no notice of schedule changes, or even gives me her up coming weeks schedule. As I have no life in her eyes, or am not worthy to be treated decent.
I was sleeping in yesterday thinking I wasn't needed till 4pm. She wakes me up from a deep sleep to tell me she has a dentist appointment and asks if I can watch A my granddaughter.
Well, I really was trying to catch up on rest as I am tired, but I said yes when......I'm leaving in 10 minutes. No lie.

Of course as an outsider tell her to take a hike. Well, if I don't she will post on FB can someone watch A, which she has done twice, what nut case would do that...my daughter!

She basically has me by the balls because of my granddaughter and my fear of her safety.

Now daughter S my 18 year old has gone off the deep end. I believe she gets very angry and verbally aggressive from her addiction to FB, Twitter what ever social sites young people use. I believe she can't handle knowing other peoples business and some how ends up entwined in verbal fights over boys or girls being fake etc.. Craziness I can't understand. She has chosen to wait a year to attend college. Now she works full time and is out all hours of the night.

Yesterday while my granddaughter was at her dads my daughter M calls my husband and I to tell us S is psycho blah blah blah. Dh and I rush home. I stake in car in my driveway because I am afraid of what might be going on inside my own home.

My husband finds my daughter sitting on the couch alone while my other daughter and her friend are upstair getting ready to go to a fall fair. My 18 year old is screaming from the bottom of her lungs. I can hear her in my car! I sit there in shock and ask how did this happen to our family.

Come to find out my husband says she lost it because she was going to fair with them and was mad because her iphone was going to go dead. Obviously this does not make sense. She then starts yelling about having no money, no car etc... just went off.
Dh told her to stop and sit down and to breath, he told her you're going to give yourself a heart attack over a phone. I'm sure someone had a car charger for her to use that night, still I believe it just being out of her hands in 5 minutes would through her into a fit.

Finally she calmed down and they all left. At 11:30 my 18 year old texts me if she can sleep over a friends house, I say "NO", she then harasses me by begging please, by text then called me three times i did not answer after I said no.
more texts.......I finally say yes but am not happy. To tell you the truth by that point I felt I was safer with her out than in my home.

What I want is both daughters to leave my home. My 18 year old has made almost 7 thousand in the last 6 months and has nothing to show for it, fast food, gas money for rides with friends, tattoos (she thinks I don't know about), clothes.....just blowing it on junk.
The only bill she has is her phone $80 a month. So she has had it very easy and she went from saving to then blowing her paychecks.

M mother 20, has a small car loan $80 a month, cell $80 and car insurance about $275 a month. She got 6 thousand back from taxes and should of payed her car insurance with it instead she blew it with in three months. Car windows tinted, week end trip, concert and who know what.

I enable them, to stop the fights I just keep to myself as much as possible and let them run me into the ground.

I'm terrible at putting my thoughts together in print...sorry! I hope you can get a gist and would answer any questions to clarify. I am not proud of my parenting skills in the last year or so, I got beaten down and they won, with shame I admit this.

They have both been asked not asked not to come home before. Each time the asked to come back and promised to go by our rules etc. Never lasts. They stayed at friends homes till they wore their welcome.....3-7 days.

And to top it off my N sister had a mini stroke and that is another nightmare in the works!

I can't live like this anymore, not another day.

Bless your heart if you even got thru half of this mess. Warmly seasons x



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Re: I need help
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 02:35:11 PM »
Oh Seasons, you poor thing, what a difficult situation and well done for getting it down on paper and saying what you needed to say.  I hope that helped a bit.  And know that people here have been through similar situations so there will be people who understand and can at least comfort, even if they can't wave a magic wand and make it all go away.

I don't have teenagers so can't offer things that I can say I've tried and have worked, but the things that struck me as I was reading were ground rules.  These were some of the things that went through my head:

Are your girls paying rent/share of the bills/housekeeping money each week?
Do they take responsibility for chores around the house/garden/car?
Are there set hours that you've prearranged regarding taking care of your grand-daughter?
Are you watching here because your eldest is working?  And if so, is there a possibility of alternative child care for part of the time?

Alternatively to this, are you and hubby united on this issue and could you simply tell them both that they have six weeks to find somewhere else to live?  I think it's very difficult as you want to be involved with your grand-daughter' obviously, and you seem worried about her if you're not there.  But unfortunately I think if she grows up seeing you being treated like this she will do the same?  Then you'll have three of them at it!

There just my first thoughts as I read through your post.  I don't know if any of that will help at all, I know others have much more experience with this sort of thing so hopefully can give you some good advice xx

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2013, 05:52:57 PM »
Seasons,
I am so terribly sorry to hear this.
The only thing, and really...the only thing, that I think will help is for you to go see a family lawyer.

You are close to being abused, and yet your grandbaby is in the middle of this mess.

I don't know if you want to file for custody. But it would be worth finding out.

I can imagine you don't want to throw out your daughter because of concern for your granddaughter.
It is horrendous.

I think the young people have to go live somewhere else. Bottom line.

I wish I knew a better answer. You have got to go find an advocate, or several, in 3-D.

Please, report back...worrying for you.

with love,
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 09:29:52 PM »
Thank you so much Two!

 You gave me much to think about. Right off the bat, No to your questions, it was nice and helpful to see them.... not just swirling in my mind if you know what I mean.

 I just got a big surprise, my oldest daughter is coming home from grad school for a visit. Really, she misses her niece to pieces.

 She is a lovely young lady who has sadly been hurt by her sisters by their selfishness, and disrespectful behavior also.

 Any who...I'm going to ask her to help me write out a letter, list of requirements for my daughters to adhere to if they want they want to continue to
live in our home (not house which I feel it has become). If they agree, I am going to have them sign a contract. That way they can't say, you didn't say that, or I thought
you meant... blah blah blah!

 Dh is in this with with me. He's being abused too, and has been such a loving Dad he absolutely does not deserve it.

 Our biggest obstacle is the safety of our granddaughter. I don't believe my daughter would purposely hurt her daughter, but she is clueless, immature kid which causes
 us to feel helpless.

 I do believe if she left with our granddaughter, she would be begging to come back, if we said no, then she would be asking for help with care for her daughter. It just
 scares the hell out of us....one weekend with the wrong friends around could put our granddaughter at high risk, I believe. Ugh!

 Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart!  My granddaughter does too! <3  I will keep you posted. seasons







 
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Re: I need help
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 09:45:26 AM »
Seasons, honey...

your feelings about being abused are dead-on. I hope your plan makes things better...
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 07:59:14 PM »
Seasons,
My thoughts about getting advice on custody were probably the equivalent of "going nuclear."

In your shoes, I wouldn't be ready for that and would probably be overwhelmed at the idea. I'm sorry for going too far.

Still, I do think you're being abused, so whatever protections/bolstering of boundaries and hopefully, too, some outside/objective listening and support...YOU DESERVE.

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Re: I need help
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2013, 05:14:46 PM »
Hops,

Thank you so much for your wisdom and kindness.

 I wrote out a response earlier but it's not here, sorry.

 My daughter is home from school, and it has gotten worse! Just found out M with child is going to court for larceny that happened at her job.

 I haven't told my daughter I know yet. A very sad day...

 Updating soon! Oh, if I had more lawyer money I would of tried to get my granddaughter in a heartbeat. I've spent thousands already on custody issues with the father and my daughter. :(

 

 
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Re: I need help
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2013, 05:53:06 PM »
is home from school, and it has gotten worse! Just found out M with child is going to court for larceny that happened at her job.

 
 Updating soon! Oh, if I had more lawyer money I would of tried to get my granddaughter in a heartbeat. I've spent thousands already on custody issues with the father and my daughter. :(

 


Seasons:

You can research the statutes on Grandparent rights in your State, and pull together evidence, and information you'd need to prove your case without paying an attorney a dime.  Then, if you decide you're going to go for custody, you can hire an attorney to help you file necessary papers and represent you in court.  Your pulling together the case, organizing the evidence, and educating your attorney in a timely fashion will save you tons of money, IME.

In this State the courts care very much about Grandparents who have cared for Grandchildren in their own home, provided consistent childcare, supported the gc and been a large part of their lives.  At the very least, that kind of loving Grandparent gets court ordered visitation.

If you think about it, you might be able to come up with some creative ways to document your case.  Check on your State's laws regarding recording conversations, etc.   I should think a nanny cam might be of interest, depending on what you're trying to document.

If you present a case without proper documentation to back up every aspect of your case, you add time, trouble and money, IME.   Careful documentation makes all the difference in the world.

Good luck,
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Re: I need help
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 07:05:01 PM »
How are you doing, Seasons?

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2013, 07:26:00 PM »
Oh Seasons,
I am so sorry. You are caught in a situation with a lot of selfish people. I am sure there is no easy answer, but I am sending prayers and love.
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