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JustKathy

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Three years after N-mother's death ....
« on: February 16, 2016, 05:45:19 PM »
Hello everyone! I haven't been here in quite a while, mainly because I’ve been so busy, but have started lurking here in recent months after continued harassment during the Christmas holidays, even after NM's demise. I'm coming up on three years since my N Mother died, and thought I’d touch base to let everyone know what has happened in the wake of her death since it was not what I had expected (or maybe I should say, not what I had hoped). If I recall, Hops is the only other person here with a deceased NM, so this may be of interest to some. Every case is different, but with this type of dysfunctional family, maybe not.

I was recently reading yet another book on N mothers, called “Narcissists Exposed.” The author talks about the different people in an N’s life, and says that those who have been co-dependent, and believe the N is an innocent victim, will ALWAYS believe that, even after the N is gone, and even if the N has hurt that person. I’m finding that to be very true.

When NM died, I really thought that my family would somehow become whole again; that my father would see her for what she was, and that my poor downtrodden sister would finally be free to live a normal life away from NM’s total control. It didn’t happen that way. So, this is what has happened with each family member:

Co-Father: He has continued to stalk me and act as her faithful servant, carrying out his obligatory duties of sending Christmas boxes and birthday/holiday cards filled with guilt messages like, “Happy Birthday. Hope you’re well. I’m old and sick will probably die soon, so it would be nice if you’d bother calling.” As some of you may remember, NM obtained my address through illegal means, and Co-F still has no proof that I live here. After NM died, my sister emailed me and said she needed my address “for the lawyers,” so I acted like I didn't know what she was talking about and told her she already had it. I gave her the address of the previous home, which we stilled owned at the time. Apparently she didn’t believe me, because they pulled the ultimate sneaky tactic to try and confirm my current address. Co-F had his lawyer send a copy of his will with a letter stating that I was “required” to sign and return a letter of receipt, which asked for my address AND phone number. The lawyer could have sent it certified mail with a signature required, which would have given them the proof of address, but I’m sure it was the phone number that they wanted. I saw right through it and ignored it. Even if we were still on speaking terms, there was NO WAY I would ever sign off on a document that says I’ve been disinherited. What a cruel thing to ask of a child.

About six months later, I received a second letter from the lawyer saying they had never received my signed document, and to please respond before their "deadline" (or what would happen exactly, I would be disinherited?). All a ploy. There is absolutely no reason to send out copies of a will for a person who is still living and can make changes at any time, nor should it be necessary to sign off on it. With this second notice I was livid. I called the lawyer and told her that the address she used was a rental property owned by an in-law, and that I had only received it because the renters had moved out and left mail for the landlord behind. I told her to stop sending any communication to the address she was using as it was harassing the tenants, and to pass that on to my father. The communication from the lawyer ceased, but his cards keep coming. I had asked the tenants in our AZ house to look out for any mail addressed to me, but they said nothing was coming for me outside of junk mail. NM gave him a new address, and he never questioned her, ever. If I were to move tomorrow, he would continue to send stuff to this address for the rest of his life, even if the Post Office returned it. So he's going to stalk me here until he dies or I move, whichever comes first.

Sister: Within days of NM’s death, my sister joined Facebook, and created accounts for both her and NM, then proceeded to “friend” my dead mother. It was creepy and weird, like some kind of attempt at keeping her alive. Still, I was hopeful she would snap out of it and regain her independence. I sent her a few emails, but she never replied. She was only willing to communicate if it were official business. I started watching her Facebook activity, using a second ID I had created (I blocked her from my primary ID so she can’t watch me). What a saw on her page was pretty unsettling. She was slowly becoming my mother. She had taken over NM’s role in Co-Father’s life. Rather than starting to date or go places with friends, she was with him instead. All. The. Time. Her FB posts also started to take on a bitter tone, some sounding very much like NM.

I’m not a psychiatrist, so really don’t know what’s going on here, but perhaps after years of being under NM’s thumb, she’s now enjoying being the one with the power. Her signature was on all of the correspondence from the lawyer regarding the will, to which she is now the sole heir and executor. She is in complete control of the estate, and like NM, is using it for revenge. Their will states that she (sister) can disperse a portion of Co-F’s estate to myself or my brother, but only for education (which neither of us needs) or for catastrophic medical bills. This was all per NM’s wishes, keeping money out of our hands unless there’s an emergency, and even then we would have to grovel for it. In my brother’s case, sister is now getting revenge against the spoiled golden child and his N wife, who treated her like dirt. In my case, it looks like NM managed to turn her against me in her five years of having “four weeks to live.” Back when NM was first diagnosed, sister replied to an email saying, “Mum says I’m not allowed to talk to you.” I’m guessing she was ordered to never speak to me again, and probably won’t. She’s living in fear of a dead woman.

My sister recently posted a photo on Facebook that she had taken at Comic Con. She was in full costume, wearing a tiara, sitting on the iron throne from “Game of Thrones.” The look on her face is unbelievably condescending. I took one look at that picture and just knew she was gone.

Brother (the Golden Child): From what I can glean, he has distanced himself, or maybe even gone NC from Co-Father. He had always been the favorite child, never wanting for anything, and had been the sole heir until NM had the will changed to get even with him for marrying a woman she hated (ironically, a raging N just like herself). In the strangest twist of fate, both the GC and the Scapegoat Child have ended up on equal footing.  I haven’t heard from my brother in years, but I have this gut feeling that when Co-F passes, he’ll contact me immediately about contesting the will. That will is bizarre and totally unenforceable. For example, sister inherits their paid off house, and is required to live in it and maintain my mother's room exactly as it was, as some sort of shrine. She's also required to sell her own house, that has minimal to no equity, and split the proceeds three ways. She gets both the parents' house and 1/3 of any profits from sale of her own house. And as mentioned above, both my brother and I can only get our percentages by request for emergency expenses, which she can deny, so she really gets to keep it all. That being said, a will cannot force another person to sell their own home, so it all works on the honor system and simply can’t be enforced. I personally don’t care about it as I always figured I’d be disinherited anyway, but the GC won’t let it stand, nor will his greedy monster of an N-wife. It will be interesting to see what happens.

This is long and rambling, but the short story of what I never saw coming:
1. The Golden Child completely cut off from funds and disinherited.
2. My sister, who was downtrodden and kept under NM's thumb all her life, has become NM!
3. For the scapegoat child, pretty much nothing has changed. Maybe in the end, I come out of this the one with the most normal life? I haven't a single regret about going NC and remaining NC. Not one. It was the right thing to do.

Kathy
« Last Edit: February 16, 2016, 07:08:03 PM by JustKathy »

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Re: Three years after N-mother's death ....
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 01:03:23 AM »
Great to hear from you, Kathy, although I'm sorry to read your situation is still difficult to manage.  I think we all dream of freedom and it can be disheartening when the thing we think will set us free turns out not to.

Although my mum isn't dead, there are so many similarities between your family and mine it was like reading my own bio!  The only reason my mum has been able to behave the way she does is because so many people around her enable her behaviour.  Many see her as the victim and me as the evil daughter who turned on her mum.  I have struggled with that a lot over the years but have got to a point where I don't care what other people think.  I see people now in two categories - sensible people who can see how bad her behaviour is and everybody else :)

I definitely believe that I have come out of our family the most normal and I expect that is the same for you, too!  My elder sister is fifty, still runs round in circles after people who treat her badly and ignores people who treat her well (like me!).  I love her, care for her but rarely see her anymore because I find it too difficult to listen to another re-run of 'all the family drama' every time I see her as sadly she doesn't seem to have too much else going on in her life most of the time.

My younger sister is still in regular contact with my mum and still lets her see her kids unsupervised, despite the fact my mum offered to help my sister's ex husband to get custody of their children by testifying that my sister's an unfit mum (she isn't) and paying his legal bills, she's reported her to social services and the benefits agency claiming she's doing things she isn't and she's accessed my sister's financial accounts by pretending to be her, on top of which she's just a nightmare to be around but still my sister is hanging on in there.  I understand the blocking out of abuse - I did it myself for years - but I don't want to be around it and I'm glad I don't have to block it out anymore.

My mum sent 'anonymous' presents to my son for years, delivered by various companies so I couldn't do anything to stop it.  It made me angry, upset and so on but I know that's what she wants, that control, that feeling of 'ha ha, you can't stop me doing this'.  So I payed it forward; the gifts were donated to the local charity shop or I just gave them to the kids next door and I made a small donation to a local charity that helps out kids in difficult home situations.  At Christmas I do up a small hamper that a local charity distributes to elderly people who are in need.  I don't really know why it makes me feel better but it does and, bizarrely, once it stopped bothering me so much she stopped sending stuff.  There's no way she could have known in a practical sense because I never told anyone but it was a funny coincidence.

Financially, we have always struggled with money, living costs are high and our income is low, my son has health problems, etc etc, but I would eat out of a bin rather than take a penny from her and I think in many ways that's been my greatest escape.  Money is her ultimate control and I do think one of the reasons my sister hangs around is because she gets money, cars etc.  Genuinely not caring I think was the thing that really set me free and probably the thing that bothers her the most because she's always been able to control everyone else with it and she couldn't with me. It sounds to me like you're doing well despite having so much on your plate so well done on you and hopefully this maddening behaviour will become easier to ignore/block out or however is best to deal with it in the future xx

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Re: Three years after N-mother's death ....
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 09:24:07 AM »
Hi Kathy,
Thanks for the update! It's wonderful when folks who haven't been here in a while come back with a summary.

It's amazing what a grip Nparents have on psyches, even long after they are physically gone. And very sad. The money thing just makes it worse. I know as my Nmother's regular "powers" weakened, she used inheritance as a tool to: get attention, pushme-pullyou the two children (ultimate effect was to destroy the last shred of relationship between us), get her way, consume attention by talking for hours and hours about this object or that object.... When it's saddest is when the next generation really does need help. Given the recession, most of us are not as secure as our parents were.

You seem to have a pretty tight summary of the effects coming down the line. I'm sorry that you still feel harrassed and stressed about your father's attempts to reach you. It's a shame that you feel invaded and uneasy still. That toxicity is horrible.

I'm in an odd spot when I read your update because although I haven't attempted any form of contact for two years -- when my adult D decided to go NC with me four years ago (which I think has a lot to do with her bipolar as well as possibly NPD) it took me a couple years to totally accept it. She hadn't made it explicit at first so I stayed in denial, telling myself maybe this time if I invite her just for coffee since I'm going through her city, or send her one more heartfelt apology and amends letter for all the things I did wrong as a mother, etc.... I didn't harrass her but did reach out (a text or voicemail) 2-3 times a year until she flat-out told me, by text, "NC." The moment she wrote "Do not contact me at all" I ceased all contact immediately. (Not true. I paid her cell phone for 5 years. The sorrow of doing that each month when she never called, finally helped me stop when I lost my job.)

So part of me can relate to the parent who just can't give up. Although I also relate to being exhausted by an Nparent's manipulative demands. It's a wonderful thing that you don't want or need or expect inheritance. That'll help you heal.

For me, social media is radioactive, so I'm glad I'm not on Facebook. I think when you don't follow their information any more, or find yourself irresistibly looking at any of their online lives, you'll know you're completely healed and have fully entered your own meaningful life. Your present belongs to you, and so does your future.

You deserve to be happy in your life and to be on the side of your own healing.

Thanks again for popping in, hope you'll stick around!

Hops
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Re: Three years after N-mother's death ....
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2016, 02:50:34 PM »

Although my mum isn't dead, there are so many similarities between your family and mine it was like reading my own bio!  The only reason my mum has been able to behave the way she does is because so many people around her enable her behaviour.  Many see her as the victim and me as the evil daughter who turned on her mum.

Yes! That's exactly what I've had to deal my whole life, being the evil daughter who turned on her mother. She used to tell people I was "the bad seed," after the film of the same name, about the little girl who was born evil. Some people managed to see through her, others ate it up and believed every word. I've also learned to stop caring about what the enablers think, though it's been hard to accept that my father not only believed every word she said, but wasn't even sure of what, exactly, I had done to her. On one of the last calls we took from him, my husband tried to explain to him how hurtful it is to disinherit a child, and Co-Father told him, "I had to do it because of that thing Kathy had with her mother." Hubby asked what "that thing" was, and he couldn't answer, other than to stammer and say, "You know, that thing."

Hops, of the three children, I'm definitely the one who is in greatest need of money. That wasn't always the case, but my husband (who I'm slowly starting to realise in also an N), made some very foolish financial decisions, and we're now completely broke. I've been unemployed for several years now, with no hope of re-entering the workforce due to age (woman over over 50), the gap in employment, combined with health problems that keep me at the doctor all the time. My brother is doing a little better, though my guess is that he has no savings account as his expenses were paid by NM all his life, and he had planned on inheriting their estate. My sister, on the other hand, earns a great living and managed to buy a nice house and car with her salary, and needs the money the least. But having said that, I agree with Tup about not wanting their money. I would sooner live in a cardboard box than take one cent from them. It's dirty money and I could never enjoy anything I bought with it, knowing that it was financed by my abuser.

I'm really sorry about what you're going through with your daughter, though I know that you don't want to give up because you genuinely love her. With N-parents, there's no love there. We owe them. My father doesn't love me, he just believes that I'm obligated to take care of him, even though he never took care of me as a child. If he were reaching out with apologies, I would feel differently, but he's reaching out with orders, demands, and criticisms. Even if I did believe he loved me, I'm not sure what to say to him at this point. "Hi Dad. I got the copy of the will you sent. That was so wonderfully vindictive. Thank you SO much. Let's have lunch." In my mind, disinheriting a child in such a horrible manner is a declaration of how they feel, and it's not love. You can't continue a relationship with them after they've not only done that, but repeatedly rubbed it in your face. That will is their greatest weapon, and the one they use at the end to strike the final blow.  I would tell any daughter of an N-mother to be prepared for it, and to never expect it to go any differently. I never expected a dime from them, so that part comes as no shock. What I didn't expect was for the message to be delivered in such a hurtful way, but I'm sort of glad it went down that way. It gave me the strength I needed to stop making excuses for my father, and walk away from a very toxic situation. They actually did me a favor in letting me know now, rather than trying to continue a relationship and learning about it after they passed, as Christina Crawford did, hearing at the reading of the will that she was disinherited "for reasons known only to her."

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Re: Three years after N-mother's death ....
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2016, 04:19:05 AM »
I do wonder with enablers if the prospect of what they've enabled is just too big for them to manage so it's easier to keep plodding along?  I think one of the reasons in our family that no-one ever acknowledged the sexual abuse is that they'd all have to acknowledge their failure to stop it, or notice it, or even just be there for me so I had someone else to talk to or someone that was nice to me just for the sake of being nice.  But then I expect you can trace it further back; I know my mum was abused so it makes sense to assume her siblings were and then that opens a whole other can of worms for people to deal with, so I can see how some people just ignore all of that and carry on living the way they do.  It doesn't bother me the way it used to but I do sometimes still look back and wonder what the hell everyone else was doing all that time.