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sunblue

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Do Ns Ever Change Feelings for Golden Child
« on: March 10, 2016, 12:34:18 PM »
Hello All:

I was curious to know whether any of you have experienced this N situation.  As some of you know, I come from an N family.  My mother is N and I have an older sister (Golden Child) who is extremely N---she and mom are two peas in a pod.  Not too long ago, I lost my dear dad who enabled the Ns in the family.  Since my Dad's passing, i've noticed that my Mom is not as dependent on my Nsis.  Of course, that is partly because my Nsis has been erratic in her attachment to my mom.  Last year, for no reason apparently, she stopped speaking to my mom.  They went on a vacation and when my mom returned, my sis stopped calling daily, emailing or visiting.

They speak now, but not daily as they always have.  My Nsis has always been extreme and needy and during this last year when she has been needy, I've noticed my Nmom saying things to me like, "I can't handle that drama.  She will have to deal with it herself." Or, "I don't know what her problem is now and I don't want to know."

However, as always, my Nmom has zero interest in me....less than zero in fact, unless she needs me to help her with something...So that has not changed. 

Is this common for N parents?  I would have thought the attachment would continue to get stronger with age and particularly following the loss of a spouse?

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Re: Do Ns Ever Change Feelings for Golden Child
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2016, 12:45:58 PM »
Hi Sun :)

I don't know whether it's common or not but I was the golden child growing up (although I didn't know that's what it was called at the time).  With hindsight, I constructed a sort of alter ego that was everything my mum wanted and the actual me just sort of stagnated inside for years.  When I got older I got into drink and drugs, quite wild living etc and then started to suffer from depression.  It was that that prompted me to go for counselling, and in turn that was what eventually opened my eyes to what was going on.  The situation with my mum and myself became rocky as I stopped doing what she wanted, stopped agreeing with everything she said, stopped letting her say or do what she liked and not commenting on it (constant criticism, for example, always dressed up as being in your best interests or 'just a joke').  The real bomb shell came when I 'came out' about her husband abusing me and then there was a six/seven year campaign of harassment and she flipped like a switch; my younger sister (who she'd always hated and treated like dirt) became her 'rock' and I was to blame for all the evil in the world and all that is wrong in her life.  Ten years after that my younger sister started standing up to her and now she's doing the same to her (my mum's favourite think is false allegations of abuse; we've both been subjected to investigations because of the things my mum has claimed.  I think she likes to go after the things most precious to you, like your kids).

So I don't know how common it is for that sort of thing to happen but I think, with my mum, certainly, she has needs that must be met and I don't think it matters who meets them, as long as they do.  It may be that your sis is coming out of her Golden Child coma, perhaps, and is starting to assert herself or be her own person?  Or just in some way not giving your mum the fix that she used to?  I think the dynamics can change in a family; if your dad was the enabler then that might have changed the situation between your mum and your sister a bit.  Such screwy families, I always read back what I've written and think "Ewwww".  It's all really weird.

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Re: Do Ns Ever Change Feelings for Golden Child
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2016, 01:24:27 PM »
Thanks Twopenny.  I'm so glad you were able to see it and get some help...although it is a lifelong battle.  As for my sister, no, my sister does not see the family dynamic and would certainly never seek out help.  In some ways, she's more N than my mom.  But, I do think it may be that as my sister deals with more drama in her own life, my mom wants less to do with it because the focus is no longer on her.  My mom's  relationship with the Golden Child ruined our entire family and now, my mom is keeping her distance from her.  Very strange and sad.  I thought with my dad gone, those two would be closer and more dependent than ever.  Instead, my mom seems to be keeping her distance.  But her narcissism is more prevalent than ever.  Her complete and lack of interest in me never ceases to amaze me. 

The Golden Child refused to have anything to do with my dad's care when he was sick, his funeral arrangements, etc.  Now, I realize it will be the same for my mom when her time comes....And since my brother walked away from our family and went very limited contact (usually just to benefit his daughter), the sad truth is I will be left holding the bag for everything. 

I am thinking of starting counseling myself as I realize my lack of a self, lack of a voice, has caused a lot of damage and is a great hindrance in my current job search and cause for a lack of relationships in my life.

Such a sad and damaging disorder this is.  Anyway, thanks for sharing your family dynamic.  I'm so sorry you had to experience it but am glad you were able to recognize it and get some help.  I hope things are better for you now.

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Re: Do Ns Ever Change Feelings for Golden Child
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2016, 02:04:13 PM »
To answer the question - Do Ns Ever Change Feelings for Golden Child:

My answer is yes, - I was the Golden Child. However, my attitude toward the NMother changed in 2008 when I learned about Nism and later more as I learned how it harmed me. My mistake then was confronting and arguing with her (which I now know not to do). That considerably changed the dynamic and she has had a backlash against me since then.  Also of note - In 2007, my brother, who was the scapegoat when I was the GC, was two years into a new marriage with a baby on the way. He had a supportive family of in-laws and wife and became the new GC as I started the process of detachment with my NM. She did not simply choose to turn against me, it was in response to what I did (some was necessary, some could have been avoided or done differently if I had known more about how malicious and vindictive Ns are.) and a new emerging situation with my brother. As it stands now, I am LC soon to be complete NC and the brother has taken a civil, but strong boundaries, LC approach with her. Somehow, he never got into the arguments and confrontations like I did. He was much more civil but also more manipulative.

I can also very much related to what Twopenny said about changing her dynamic after realizations and the accusations and slander that came along afterwards. I am experiencing that now.

Great topic and thanks for the posts.

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Re: Do Ns Ever Change Feelings for Golden Child
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2016, 06:09:29 PM »
Yes! They can and do change their feelings about the GC.

In my family, I was the scapegoat child, my brother the GC, and my younger sister just fell somewhere in-between, very co-dependent, and living her life exactly as NM ordered her to. My brother was given the keys to kingdom the day he was born, and never wanted for anything. While my sister and I paid for all of our own expenses, the GC was given cars, college tuition, free rent, and later, the downpayment on a house. Even in his 30s, if he "couldn't afford" something, they were there to buy him whatever he needed. But things became tense after he did what many N children do .... he married a woman exactly like his mother. His wife is not only a raging N, but has also been diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic with severe anger issues. She sent me several threatening emails, which helped to cement my decision to go NC with my mother and stop attending any family gatherings. My sister also stopped going to the holiday gatherings out of fear of the GC's wife. Co-Father used to call me all the time and vent about how crazy this woman was, but they turned the other cheek and continued to cater to him because he was the GC.

What changed everything was my mother's cancer diagnosis. When NM found out she was terminally ill, she had the will re-written, I think in an attempt to manipulate her precious GC into divorcing his wife. My brother had always been the sole heir, but they drafted a new will which disinherited both myself and the GC, and made my sister the sole heir instead. They made a huge deal out of it, took him out to dinner, and explained that they were disinheriting him because of his wife. NM must have been confident that he would divorce the wife, but just like his father, he's completely co-dependent and will stand by this woman no matter what. He chose his N-wife over his N-mother, and it cost him dearly.

NM died three years ago, and even though I'm sure my Co-F would love to change the will back (his son was always his favorite child), he'll never go against his wife's orders. I'm now NC with my father, but from what I can glean, the GC has limited or no contact with him, while my younger sister has taken over my mother's role in Co-F's life, controlling everything, including his money. Based on what happened with me, and what I'm reading from the others here, it sounds like the GC can lose their position very quickly if he/she crosses the NM. That's one that I NEVER saw coming.
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Re: Do Ns Ever Change Feelings for Golden Child
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2016, 11:20:45 PM »
Thanks Twopenny.  I'm so glad you were able to see it and get some help...although it is a lifelong battle.  As for my sister, no, my sister does not see the family dynamic and would certainly never seek out help.  In some ways, she's more N than my mom.  But, I do think it may be that as my sister deals with more drama in her own life, my mom wants less to do with it because the focus is no longer on her.  My mom's  relationship with the Golden Child ruined our entire family and now, my mom is keeping her distance from her.  Very strange and sad.  I thought with my dad gone, those two would be closer and more dependent than ever.  Instead, my mom seems to be keeping her distance.  But her narcissism is more prevalent than ever.  Her complete and lack of interest in me never ceases to amaze me. 

The Golden Child refused to have anything to do with my dad's care when he was sick, his funeral arrangements, etc.  Now, I realize it will be the same for my mom when her time comes....And since my brother walked away from our family and went very limited contact (usually just to benefit his daughter), the sad truth is I will be left holding the bag for everything. 

I am thinking of starting counseling myself as I realize my lack of a self, lack of a voice, has caused a lot of damage and is a great hindrance in my current job search and cause for a lack of relationships in my life.

Such a sad and damaging disorder this is.  Anyway, thanks for sharing your family dynamic.  I'm so sorry you had to experience it but am glad you were able to recognize it and get some help.  I hope things are better for you now.

Hi Sun,

I think you are probably right, if your Nsis isn't focusing as much on your mum it would make her less inclined to want to be around her - they have to be the centre of attention.  I would really, really recommend counselling, it helped me so much.  Learning to focus on yourself is hard (and I could see traits of my mum in myself and that I was heading in the same direction which scared the bejesus out of me) but it's also incredibly empowering and can bring so many good things to your life as well.  Keep us posted with how it's all going x

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Re: Do Ns Ever Change Feelings for Golden Child
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2016, 12:25:32 AM »
At the verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry end (age 98) my mother acknowledged that my brother was not golden.

That 5 minutes was massively healing.

It didn't mean that I became golden.

Nobody's gold. We're all just human.

What a relief.

(Sun, I echo what Tupp says about counseling. Imo, you deserve more than years more misery focused on your biofamily. I was in my 50s before I began to feel moments of relief...an occasional breath of air into my hunched-over soul...a sense that I could actually grow even a little wise. Just wise enough to get my head out of the bucket of Nness it'd been crammed into.

I wish you for that you won't wait this long, to fight with every scrap of self you can summon...to heal your life and break free.

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