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« Reply #420 on: May 04, 2005, 09:09:16 PM »
Lontire: I have tears from reading the way you handled things with your daughter.  This is what every daughter should get from her dad.  I wish my children had a father like that.  That is what they want, to call the shots, to have it be their choice when to see dad...  He doesn't realize, however, that the tighter he holds onto them, the less they want to be around him.  You are a good dad.

Don't get all worried about "what if's"....there will be MANY moments like that, and your energy will get wasted on very possibly nothing.  Stay with what you know you can influence.....and let the rest go on without you.
You are a good dad, you act with loving intention....don't worry.  I think it is wonderful that your daughter wants to go to counseling.  And both her parents have the right to be involved in the decision of who that will be with.  (even with my exN, I must concede that point).  

You are doing well.  Feel that as much as you can....and let the "bad" feelings drop out of you.
Bless you.
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« Reply #421 on: May 04, 2005, 10:21:12 PM »
Longtire, You are a great Dad, how lucky your daughter is.

Now that your W is missing her N supply she needs to push some buttons.
I would get moved in, let the dust settle, think about anything she wants you to commit to for a date in the far future.

Im so glad your W was not there while you moved out.
My H did not waste any time to throw out even  our D's things.
My friend went buy our house to find our D's  expensive books in the trash.
I remember my N-mother did the same thing when I left home at 18teen.  Sounds like you got most of your stuff, better you give it away than your W throw out what ever you left behind. I would get the Cat, or plan on getting another pet, if you act like you want the cat it would be a button she will try and push.
My H sent me e-mails about how he was going to put our dog  to sleep if I didn't send for her to fly out to Dallas.

You will be so busy with work and moving in your new place give yourself some time to adjust.  I know the emotions are high, you are the one leaving so letting go can be tough.

My D has pictures of our Dog on her screen saver, I find it difficult to look at it breaks my heart.

Take Care, will write later.    

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« Reply #422 on: May 04, 2005, 10:29:48 PM »
longtire,

Welcome to your new home! Here are my thoughts on your daughter. (1) It is likely that she has NOT asked to see a therapist, that is your wife's idea; (2) if she sees this kooky therapist, it will probably not influence her in the least, teenagers have minds of their own; (3) I'm sure she isn't upset with you and isn't rejecting you. Have you talked to her yet?

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« Reply #423 on: May 05, 2005, 12:42:38 PM »
OR, in this move I got the things out of the house that I really cared about, mainly my cat and my computer and my music.  The rest is decorations, which I don't care much for, and furniture which can be replaced.  I am certainly NOT missing my W at this point and even EMail comments from her frustrate me.

I talked with my D last night and she is NOT overly distraught right now.  Her cell phone battery went dead, as I thought.  She knows that her boyfriend will be out of town much of the summer and she will not have someone very close to vent to.  She would like to see this therapist because she is already familiar with the family situation between her mother and I.  She would rather not have to explain this all over again to someone new and could "just start venting," her words.  I am really uncomfortable with my D seeing this T, but how do I say no to her?  My D will stop by tonight so I can give her some money to get her mother something for Mother's Day.  I will talk to her tonight and reiterate that she can talk to me about anything, even anger, even when it seems scary.  However, she is a teenager, and it is not realistic to expect her to open up that much to her parents during the time in life where she is learning how to separate from them.  I'm not sure how much to tell my daughter, but am considering saying that I feel uncomfortable with her going to this T who is only getting one side of the story right now, my W's.  I don't want to be a jerk about this.  I won't refuse if she is set on it, but this is important enough for me to fight for.

In the last couple of EMails (1-2 a day right now) my wife has brought up many good issues which are getting agreed between us.  She has also thrown the following in to keep life interesting.  She wants to split the costs of major car work between us.  :shock:  Here is my reply "I disagree.  You already have your portion of savings and your credit card.  You will need to use those for your car repairs the same way I will need to use my share on my car.  It does not make sense to me to pay on something that I have no control or planning ability over."  I have spent several thousand dollars getting this house and furishing it out.  Even if I had the will , she has more disposable cash from savings than I do right now.  Sheesh, I will never get used to this "cluelessness."

Tha other thing she was going to do was find a local place to do currency conversion for a trip my daughter is going on this summer.  I was lined up to take the money over and actually do it.  Here is her EMail "Hi longtire, I was able to find out the info. on the Euro dollars for D.  I have purchased 100.00 american dollars (75 euros) at Bank of America.  It is coming out of my own money, which I am gladly doing with no expectations of being paid back.  You may go ahead and take care of D's <remaining money> with the ATM card.  Just wanted to let you know this is all taken care of. W"  My D spent several hundred dollars from this fund on yet another trip earlier this year.  I pointed out to her that this would leave her with less than recommened for her Summer trip.  She chose to do it anyway.  OK, natural consequences.  However, W is taking every opportunity to "save" my D from the consequences of her decisions and "look good" in the process.  This is not unexpected from her, but it is still annoying after numerous talks between W and I as well as W, D and I about choices and consequences.  Even the T in question above praised us for setting limits with D and allowing natural consequences.  :evil:

After re-reading this post, I realize that it sounds negative.  I did need to vent about these things with my W.  However, things are going very well for me in the new house.  My cat has settled in and doesn't seem to be having any major adjustment problems.  I look forward to going home each night and to feeling like I get to decide about how things are there, from the largest down to the smallest.  I realized that I have never actually lived alone before.  I went from my parent's home, to college with roommates, to marriage with a W and then D.  This is truly a new experience for me and I am enjoying it so far.
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« Reply #424 on: May 05, 2005, 02:30:31 PM »
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I talked with my D last night and she is NOT overly distraught right now.  Her cell phone battery went dead, as I thought.  She knows that her boyfriend will be out of town much of the summer and she will not have someone very close to vent to.  She would like to see this therapist because she is already familiar with the family situation between her mother and I.  She would rather not have to explain this all over again to someone new and could "just start venting," her words.  I am really uncomfortable with my D seeing this T, but how do I say no to her?


Two thoughts:

(1) Can she go to a new therapist and just start venting without explanation -- YES. So I don't think her "reason" for seeing this therapist is totally about familiarity with the situation. I think it's about loyalty to her mom, and pleasing her mom. Not a good enough reason to see this therapist.

(2) Is it fair to see a therapist who may "know the situation" but who has one parent only as the client? Will that help your daughter? -- NO. If your daughter is really interested in getting help -- and if I were you, I wouldn't pay for someone just to hear her venting without therapy -- then she should see a non-biased therapist. As her parent you get to decide who you're going to pay! You get to make an executive decision whether she likes it or not. I'm not saying to be an ogre about it but you get to decide as the adult. She doesn't have the knowledge to make this decision.

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« Reply #425 on: May 06, 2005, 09:20:43 AM »
Hiya Longtire:

Another thing too.....for your daughter's comfort and safety.....if you were her:

If you wanted to see a therapist, do you think you would want someone to speak with about your stuff, who you know is there trying to help you, or one that also talks to your mother, and who you might be afraid could devulge your private stuff, or possibly take sides with another adult (mom)?

If your daughter wishes to see a therapist and if your wife is truly interested in her daughter's welfare, a separate therapist for your daughter seems like the most considerate thing for her.  I would be tempted to ask her what she would like.

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« Reply #426 on: May 06, 2005, 12:43:50 PM »
I talked with my daughter last night about all this and explained that I thought it might be better for her to see someone who wasn't also seeing only one of her parents.  That way, if I needed to go with her, or if her mother needed to go with her, or all three of us went it is a neutral envorinment for my daughter.  I also told her that it might be good to talk with someone new, even if she had to explain the situation all over again.  That way the explanation would be in her words and come from her experience, not her mother's or mine.  She really seemed to understand that one.  She said she understood and that it wasn't a big deal and she would be OK seeing someone else.  I told her I would help her look for someone and talk to her mother about it.  I feel a lot better about that situation.

A lesson for me:  Don't fret about things my wife tells me third-hand.  She has always tried to triangulate between us.  Work it out directly with my daughter, she is a very reasonable, easy to talk to person. :)

Well, I have not needed sleeping pills the last couple of nights.  I woke up this morning feeling more refreshed and optimistic than I have felt in weeks, maybe years.  The sky is blue, the sun is shining, the day is full of possibilities.  :D :D :D :D :D I am hesitant to jump the gun, but I don't see why I would ever consider getting back together with W?  I expect I may have more reactions as time goes on, but I'll feel it and accept it like I have my other stuff already.

An update on my W's reply to my reply to her request to split major car expenses!?!?  She said "I also disagree. I'm not sure why you would have no control or planning over car repairs. I would do nothing without talking with you first and making an agreement if we were to split the costs. The money that would go to fix all of this is now going towards a $xxx.xx house payment and bills for that house as well. If you are unwilling to budge or come up with any compromise, then I will be big enough to drop it for now. Know that I would like to find a compromise, but don't think it is worth going back and forth about if you don't feel the same."  She got the rent amount wrong.  Also, the money for car repairs does not come from there, it has always come out of savings, which she already has her share of.

I am detaching, but this kind of communication still chaps my  a$$. :evil:  I like the part where she tells me that she is big enough to drop it if *I* am unwilling to give her what she wants.  Also, I like the part that she would like to find a compromise, but is unwilling to discuss it back and forth if I don't already agree with her.  Yes, I'm stretching her words a bit, but I have many years of experience translating what she says. :( Anyone want to argue her case with me.  :wink:
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« Reply #427 on: May 06, 2005, 01:08:39 PM »
Hi longy,

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Anyone want to argue her case with me.


Its my understanding that the pope disbanded the position of Devil's Advocate. :twisted:

Just kidding, longtire. :wink:
I'm sure your wife wasn't Lucifer in drag, but your marriage sounded kinda like hell at times.

Glad your daughter seems to be handling things as well as can be expected.
Also glad you feel free. 8)

Keeping you and D, and frankly your wife also, in prayer.

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« Reply #428 on: May 06, 2005, 04:04:27 PM »
Hey longtire

Here's a "Hellmark" card for you: Subject, Anniversary (To Wife)

Verse:

"Honest Anniversary, honey -
Too bad it's just about the money.
Can you imagine where we'd be
If you had, even once, loved ME?"

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« Reply #429 on: May 06, 2005, 04:34:09 PM »
Stormchild, I think you have found your true calling in life!  :D  :twisted:  :D
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« Reply #430 on: May 06, 2005, 07:44:46 PM »
Congratulations longtire, you made a big step and you're still alive.  Actually it seems you're more alive than ever.  I agree that your daughter should see a different therapist.  As far as your wife you can probably expect more of the same old, same old to come.  I know how that can grate on you some ... so let her be "big enough" this time and some more in the future.  I would think your objective is not to get her to see reason but for you to inject some sanity into the situation.

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« Reply #431 on: May 09, 2005, 06:04:25 PM »
Whew, I'm finally caught up on my reading here!  There is so much going on here, and I hate to miss any of it.  After getting very little reading last week and very little this weekend, it really hits home how much I get from just reading the other threads.  People may think they are only talking about themselves and their problems, but I get comfort and support and insight that applies to me as well.  Once again, any time away reinforces what a special place this is.  I'm grateful daily to be here with all these wonderful people.  (Yes, that means you!)

Even over the last week, I was already slipping back into those nasty old co-dependent ways.  Nothing major, but I was thinking more about how to "deal" with my wife, rather than concentrating on what I need to do to take care of myself right now.  For a while there, I was simply so busy and so tired that I had no extra energy to put into thinking co-dependent.  The last several days I have caught up on my sleep and the pace of work has slowed in the new place.  Bad habits creep back in.  I remind myself that I live for myself first, then I can give back to others.

I realized something about myself around this move.  I am very good at being an adult at work, in taking care of home, daughter, etc.  I feel more like a child in taking care of my own and others' emotional needs.  I still look for the "adult" to come riding to my rescue in these areas.  I am getting better at recognizing this feeling and reminding myself that *I* am the adult in question, even when I don't feel like it.  I have made progress in this area recently, but I still plan to bring this up in therapy.  IMO, this is the main issue still plaguing me.  I didn't get parented well growing up or have much exposure to good "adult" role models.  I'm just not sure how to be an emotional adult yet.  I hope that now that I'm in a safer, positive environment that I can devote more of my energy to this than to just coping.

Over the last day or two, I started having some minor doubts.  "Well, I'm feeling better now, I need to go back home and work things out with my wife."  :shock:  I think that is the child me looking for the emotional adult.  The other part of my brain kicks in quickly and reminds me that the reason I feel better today is that I am NOT doing the same old thing.  However, there is still a part of my brain that says, "I'm OK now so I have to go back to doing the same old thing."  As if that was my purpose in life, instead of taking care of myself and my daughter.  That's some strong programming, I'm here to tell you!

Thank you all again for the support and prayers during this move.  It really helped me to keep going knowing that others were thinking of me and wishing me well.
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« Reply #432 on: May 09, 2005, 06:24:07 PM »
Longtire

It would be disastrous for you to think that a 'temporary seperation' would work everything out in your marriage.

You have the courage to make the break, it's bloody frightening being on your own after all these years.  Remind yourself of the emotional vacuum you were living in?  Were you ever happy with her?

Please don't get 'sucked back in' - it would be a huge mistake and would be a stain on your soul.

You never know, and it is early days, but the person who will cherish, love, nurture and adore you might just be waiting in the queue at the supermarket?

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« Reply #433 on: May 09, 2005, 07:00:14 PM »
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It would be disastrous for you to think that a 'temporary seperation' would work everything out in your marriage.

You have the courage to make the break, it's bloody frightening being on your own after all these years.  Remind yourself of the emotional vacuum you were living in?  Were you ever happy with her?

Please don't get 'sucked back in' - it would be a huge mistake and would be a stain on your soul.

Serena, don't take my ramblings here to mean that I'm wavering.  Actually posting my "mental chatter" here helps me get it out into the light and to see it for what it really is.  Posting takes the power out of these thoughts for me.  Despite posting my doubts and fears, I am farther from getting sucked back in than I have ever been! :D

As for your characterization of my marriage as an emotional vacuum, I can now see that it was worse than that.  Just having my feelings in that space might have been OK.  In this case, my feelings would either get twisted around and shoved back at me, or they would be ignored altogether in favor of unrelated projections onto me.  Everything there was a perversion of my feelings and healthy mutual relationship. :evil: It looks close enough to fool the brain, but my feelings always pick up on the wrongness of it and eventually won out. :(
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« Reply #434 on: May 09, 2005, 07:30:43 PM »
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It would be disastrous for you to think that a 'temporary seperation' would work everything out in your marriage.

You have the courage to make the break, it's bloody frightening being on your own after all these years.  Remind yourself of the emotional vacuum you were living in?  Were you ever happy with her?

Please don't get 'sucked back in' - it would be a huge mistake and would be a stain on your soul.

Serena, don't take my ramblings here to mean that I'm wavering.  Actually posting my "mental chatter" here helps me get it out into the light and to see it for what it really is.  Posting takes the power out of these thoughts for me.  Despite posting my doubts and fears, I am farther from getting sucked back in than I have ever been! :D

As for your characterization of my marriage as an emotional vacuum, I can now see that it was worse than that.  Just having my feelings in that space might have been OK.  In this case, my feelings would either get twisted around and shoved back at me, or they would be ignored altogether in favor of unrelated projections onto me.  Everything there was a perversion of my feelings and healthy mutual relationship. :evil: It looks close enough to fool the brain, but my feelings always pick up on the wrongness of it and eventually won out. :(


I have followed 'your story' since you began it and I am overjoyed that you have finally found 'freedom' and space to BE.............  

You never had this throughout your adult life and I hope to God you relish every second.

I was the victim of the archetypal N mother, she still 'stalks' my life and my thoughts but I was so incredibly lucky to find a man who is the polar opposite.  He is kind, loving, considerate, compassionate and very, very funny.

Here in the UK, he would be considered a 'bloke' because he loves football, sport etc.