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Naomi

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Sexuality, and the shame complex
« on: February 02, 2005, 03:27:08 PM »
As some of you may have read, I described how I was dumped off on my religious/ritually abusive tormentative grandparents, who felt I was a child of the devil and beat me regularily.

Well, my mother was also raised by them, and she was horribly abused by them too. One incident I remember her describing to me, was she was taken into the parents bedroom, the mother sat on her and pinned her down, while the father beat her mercilessly with a belt with hooks on it, cutting her flesh, and bruising her. Afterwards, she described how she crawled into her dark closet and sat there curled up into a little ball, wringing her hands and sobbing uncontrollably, wishing for the death of her parents. She was abused on her parents marital bed, and to my grandparents, sex is shameful to the nth degree, and women must cover up their bodies in shame, because to even wear a skirt above the knee was a sinful act.

So much shame was infused into me also, I was so shamed and so afraid all the time that I grew up with a strongly developed sense of shame, when it comes to the act of sex, ashamed of my body, afraid it is too ugly a thing to show, and afraid to let myself completely trust another whom I love, and want desparately to have a completely open and shameless sex life with him. I don't want to carry around this shame anymore, it has outlived it's usefulness. Infact, it has never been useful, pshcyologically, I always felt dirty, unclean, unwashed, and so on. The pshycological scars run deep.

Does anyone know how to retrain yourself to not feel shame? I so depsarately want an open and loving relationship on all levels with the man that I love. I am afraid that some of my psychosis will affect us somehow. I know how deeply these feelings have been burned into my psyche, my heart, my enture being, my spirit.

Any help would be appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2005, 03:53:39 PM »
Hi Naomi:

I'm so sorry that you had to withstand such a childhood.  You did it though!  And you are not repeating the cycle, which is marvelous!
Are you in counseling?  Is that an option to help you deal with it all?

You were brainwashed (for lack of a better word) to believe all the shame.

IMO, you will need to brainwash yourself, to believe there is no shame, nothing to be ashamed of.

This will take time and work.  Also, determination and consistency.

Daily....you must make statements/suggestions to yourself....to combat the messages that are so overpowering for you right now.

After a time, those messages will quiet and your new voice will be in charge.

Say things to yourself, every day, looking in the mirror, relaxing in a chair, some place quiet...


"I have nothing to feel ashamed of".

"My body is beautiful".

"Sex with my loved one is natural and healthy and I enjoy it".

"I am a good, loving, healthy person".

"I will reach my goals".

"I reject the shame my grandparents own".

"I love wearing clothing that compliments my body".

"I can easily enjoy sex with my loved one".

"I am a child of God (or the universe or some other positive force)".

"I have courage and will use it".

"I look good".

"I trust my loved one".

"I am clean and I reject shame".

Stuff like that.  It took years for them to cement their ideas in your head.  You will have to work hard to chip away at that cement and pitch it out.
Picture yourself successful, ahead of time.  See yourself as really beautiful, dressed in something sexy, enjoying your loved one's attention.

Good luck and best wishes,

GFN

Naomi

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2005, 04:17:59 PM »
Much respect to you. Thank you so much, I will re-read and re-read your thoughtful and insightful post and contemplate every word you said.

Wanting the shame to be gone, is one thing. Making it happen is altogether another. The man that I love deserves my openness, and my being free from psychological contraints. He is so understanding, and I have never wanted to be free as much as I do now. I want to be able to show him how much I trust him, although I am so afraid that I won't be able to do it. He is so patient, that if there ever was a chance for me to be free of this, it is now and with him. I have never wanted it so much as I do now. This means everything to me. I do trust him so much, more than I've ever trusted anyone, and I so desparately want to be able to show that to him, with complete openness. I will have to bite the bullet, and brave the risk that he will judge me, or see me as ugly or something.

This is going to be one of the most challenging things I've ever gone through. To release myself from this shame, that has no place and no business being in me. I want it out. I know I will have to do a lot of work on myself, and I think I am ready.

Thank you again, guest.

phillip

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Sexuality, and the shame complex
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2005, 04:19:42 PM »




Imagine people.  Two generations of twisted narcissistic abusers could not destroy this lovely and compassionate spirit.  She has a permanent injury at the base of her spine that her grandparents left her with.  I believe that there is ultimately justice.  Add to this that she was abandoned by her mother to her own abusers, then left with no physical tenderness, and at a tender age, and you have a prescription for .......

She is suffering from PTSD and has life-threatening Crohn's disease.  She is the strongest human being I have ever met and the most compassionate.  

PHILLIP
ALL THAT IS NOT GIVEN IS LOST

                                               HASAN PAL

Naomi

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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2005, 04:21:48 PM »
You guessed it.....

Phillip is the man that I love.

Naomi

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2005, 05:18:01 PM »
I meant to add a happy face onto that.....

 :D

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2005, 09:12:01 PM »
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I will have to bite the bullet, and brave the risk that he will judge me, or see me as ugly or something.


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...this lovely and compassionate spirit


He does not see you as ugly.  Don't allow yourself to imagine that.
Instead, imagine he sees you as he has stated:  "...lovely and compassionate..."

Your "shame" does not have to be permanent, Naomi.

GFN

PS...you are quite welcome.  Please say those things to yourself, aloud or at least in your mind.  Reading the post is fine but the doing of it...is actually saying it to yourself.

PSS...Glad to see your happy face.

Naomi

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2005, 10:17:28 PM »
I will, I promise!

Thank you.

mum

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2005, 02:25:32 PM »
Wow, Naomi (and Phillip) >  I am sure you both know how incredibly fortunate you are to have found each other.  What a love story...rivals my own (not that love has rivals...just lack of a better expression).
I grew up Catholic and came of age sexually in the 70's.  Nuff said (can you say promiscuous...not that I can spell it!)  I had a lot of "sex" but only one man in my various experience who I made love WITH.  Thankfully, he is again in my life.
My body shame was all in my head, and I acted out by overcompensating and thinking this was 'what men wanted", never thinking about what I wanted.  I never had such horror as you and your mother did, and am so filled with awe that you have overcome this.  
I don't know Phillip, but it sure sounds like you can trust him entirely.
Trust and true love=great physical love.  That's the magic formula. There are no variables like what we look like or even how we function physically.  It is simple.
There is a beautiful song by KD Lang off her Hymns from the 49th parallel CD called "Love is simple".  It really is.    Bless you both.

no1where

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2005, 05:20:32 PM »
Internalizing positive thoughts is extremely empowering in the long run.  You've got good insight, I'm sure that with a little time and strength you'll overcome this shame.

Light.

serena

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2005, 06:15:49 PM »
Naomi and Philip

You two sound beautiful together and I wish you so much happiness.

I was raised with an abundance of Catholic guilt, so much so, that when I menstruated initially, I thought I was going to die.  I didn't know what it was because I had never been told.  I will never forget that terrible day.

Thank God I have grown up normally in terms of my sexual life and I have a wonderful husband.

I think trust is fundamental...  Romance is terribly important and I don't mean it always has to turn into sex.

Sharing a bubble bath together with a bottle of wine is a really nice thing to do!!!!!