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miaxo

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2005, 08:10:54 PM »
:D  :D  :D
Yipee!!!  The judge ruled in my favor!  No overnights during the school week and she ordered that x N has to pay 75% of the children's therapy.

I am so relieved and happy. My lawyer was awesome.


Thanks to everyone here.  All your thoughts and prayers helped.  I was nervous during it but kept reminding myself to follow the advice I received on here.

Thanks again!  I think I'm going to go and do the HAPPY DANCE now!

Best to all of you!

Mia

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2005, 09:54:54 PM »
Mia,

Congratulatons!!   :lol:

I'm sorry about the the site that I told you about. There are many articles on there that could be used by BOTH parents. But it is slanted toward fathers. Don't let that stop you from using the info on there. Not that you need it anymore.

bunny

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2005, 01:35:27 AM »
Miaxo,

Im doing the Happy dance with you. Can you give some details about how the Judge decided in your favor.

1. Was it brought up about your husband being an N?

2. Did your kids get to say anything or have part somehow?

3. Were you paying the therapy before and something changed so he can pay now the 75%

4. Im so happy for your family and the kids, But can he still come back and try to take your rulings away. Did his lawyer try and fight this?

Give some details when you catch your breath.

Im about to venture into life without my N of 26yrs and I have a 12yr old.

please share   onlyrenting

miaxo

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2005, 07:35:35 AM »
onlyrelenting

Thank you.

To answer your questions:
 1.  No, it wasn't brought up that he was a N.  I just recently came to the realization that there was a diagnosis for his personality.  However, a report was written by a therapist who conducted a CNA (custody neutral assessment) and it was not favorable to him.  His narcissistic traits came shining through in so many ways. A couple of examples are...he claimed that he never took advantage of avaiable time in the past with kids during the summers b/c he was so poorly paid (had just been proven in court that he makes at least $100,000 a year), he also went on to accuse me of everything in the book from being physicallly abusive to being a substance abuser.  Totally untrue and of course he had nothing to back his allegations.  **Keep in mind if you ever have to go to an asssessment like that NEVER slam the other parent to the mediator.  IT will always make you look bad no matter how justified you are in saying the things.
I always tried to appear cooperative and if I had a negative to say about N I would always buffer it with a positive.  For instance, I know how important it is for the kids to have a relationship with their Dad....and then I would say something like I would like to see this or that worked on so the kids can better  bond with him.  Basically, be diplomatic when dealing with the mediators.  In my case, it became very transparent that his motive was to get an additional easy overnight (pick-up at 6 pm and drop-off at 7:00 AM next day) to reduce his child support by 28%.

2 and 3 My children were interviewed at the CNA evaluation back in November. They didn't go to court yesterday.  Thankfully. My daughter was very anxious during her interview but was able to tell the evaluator that she didn't like going to Dad's and that she didn't sleep well over there.   Believe me, my daughter had a lot of backlash from her Dad over this and he continues to tell her that she is a liar and continues to be verbally abusive...I had proof of him admitting such in an email...hence....the court ordered therapy for the children and he was ordered in our orignial divorce decree to pay 75%.

4. Yes, his lawyer tried to fight it.  Judge said no.  I'm sure he could try to appeal it but I don't think he would have a chance.  I had a lot of proof against him.  All I can advise you to do is to  always document everything, save all emails, and save any other coorespondence from N. All that came back to bite him in the a$$.  It takes patience but do it and be organized about it.  It was well worth all the time doing it.

Oh, yeah I also had a conservative judge.  She wasn't liberal and wasn't willing to disrupt the children's weekday routine during the school week. The more conservative the judge, the better results for the Mother and the children.

In my N's case, he thinks he is smarter than everyone but proves time and time again that he is not.  He always ends up sabotaging himself.  Knock on wood..every motion he has ever brought against me he has lost.   Nevertheless, it is always very upsetting especially since the kids were pulled in this last time.

Good luck to you.  Feel free to PM me if you wish.  

Hope I answered your questions.

Mia

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2005, 09:57:53 AM »
Great news Mia!  Especially for your kids.  Thanks for the tidbits of info that most certainly will be helpful in dealing with other ex-N spouses.  I've dealt with a mediator before and as a result, have a good relationship with my 13 year old daughter today.  
The mediator are much more objective than the parties involved and are often able to look through the smoke screens that are often put out.  Glad yours could see through the smoke.
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2005, 06:14:42 PM »
Mia,
I am very happy for you and your children. Can you spell RELIEF?! Thanks for sharing your saga with us and for providing onlyrenting1 with some good first-hand insight.

Best,

bludie

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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2005, 09:49:55 PM »
Mia!  Fantastic!!!  So incredibly happy to hear your news. Thanks for the insights....as we are headed that way (visitation/evaluation).

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2005, 10:37:17 AM »
Mia:

I have been reading for a while your on going epic with the N and your children.  I am very thankful it turned at well for you, but most of all for your children.  Happy feet indeed!  Hugs, Patz

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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2005, 03:24:46 PM »
I am new to this site, but finally needed to have a better understanding of the n personality that my therapist kept referring to.  I was married for 22 years to a man that I believed was kind, good-hearted, a good father and husband, took his vows to the core of his soul and loved me.  18 months ago I found out that he completely had me and virtually everyone else in his life fooled.  I found out he was having an affair with a married woman (although he lied to the therapist and I and said she was already out of her marriage.  He also lied and said they had not been sexual), had been lying to me for at least 15 years about his disinterest in intimacy, saying he had a low sex drive, meds affected it, he was too tired, etc., etc.  When he broke the news that he was leaving the marriage, he also admitted to having a very strong interest in pornography and would masturbate rather than be intimate with me.  He reluctantly agreed to counselling for six weeks, but ultimately walked out of a joint session, drove home and put clothes in the car, said good-bye to his daughter and left.  That was 16 months ago and we are still working through the divorce with no real end in site.  We have virtually no contact with each other at all.

I have continued in therapy weekly with the man we saw as a couple.  Thank God for Scott as he has saved my life.  He spent 13 hours counseling my husband--6 alone and 7 together.  Scott was the one to explain that my husband is an n and one of the worst cases he has ever encountered, and therefore is incapable of feeling badly about anything he has done, either in the past or present.  It has taken me so long to come to terms with realizing that he was so not the man I thought he was.  I have had so much anger bubbling inside of me that I cannot release because he will not have any contact with me.  I know it is wasted energy to get angry with him anyway, but I keep thinking it will make me feel better.

We have two children, a son who is 20 and a sophomore in college and a 16-year-old daughter who is a junior in high school.  Fortunately they are old enough to make their own decisions about how they feel about their father, what he has done and how much time they want to spend with him.  Unfortunately, he went through a major cleansing process when he first decided to break the news to us and told his son all about his interest in pornography and masturbation.  He left out the part where he denied me intimacy, leaving my son with the impression that I was the one denying his father.  I had to correct his impression so he could truly understand what I was dealing with.  He would have told his daughter too, but I stepped in and stopped him.  Someday I will tell her the truth, but she is not ready yet.  He sees her for an hour or so on Tuesday evenings and she is suppose to spend every other Saturday night with him.  Lately, she is choosing to go over there later and later and come home earlier on Sunday.  I worry about what he could expose her to since he has lost all sense of decency or morality (or the impression that he had that), but at least she has her own car and the ability to leave there if she is uncomfortable.

I think that reading many of the entries on this website has helped me to see the futility of my continued anger and need to get back at him in some fashion.  I like to think that someday he will regret the way he has checked out of his children's lives and the way he treated me, but I know that will never happen and there really is no way for me to hurt him back.

I am having to learn about a whole new world of sex addiction, n behavior, lack of empathy, and what it feels like to hit bottom and try to crawl back up.  My children are my light and my therapist is my strength and hope.  I really have no family and just had to deal with the death of my mother on top of the divorce.  I think that has been a major setback in my healing process, in large part because of the way my husband chose to handle it.  Instead of calling or even sending a card, he sent a typed letter which mainly dealt with how hard it was for him to have to write the letter, but he felt he must, yadda, yadda.  I once again allowed this to hurt me since I thought he could at least show some sympathy at the loss of my mother. My therapist has to remind me that he CAN'T do anything else and I must stop allowing these events to get to me.

I look forward to the divorce being complete, but my n husband and his n father are in business together and hiding and lying about assets and income.  Fortunately, I have hired one of the best divorce attorneys in town, who has hired a forensic accountant to try to stay on top of it all.

For those of you who are further along in the process, can you ever develop trust again?  I was always a very trusting person and now feel like that innocence has been taken away and I question everyone and everything.

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2005, 11:02:25 AM »
Brigid

I have been divorced for five years now and I feel it's in my best interests as well as my children's best interests to never trust x N. Believe me, he has more than earned my lack of trust.  Shame or regret will never be felt by him.  It has been difficult for me to come to terms with this but the overwhelming evidence is there.  

At least where my x N is concerned he really doesn't seem to have a conscience.  He will do just about anything as long as he feels he can get away with it...as long as he can still keep up appearances.

Since he lost in court I haven't heard a peep from him.  I'm enjoying the peace and quiet but at the same time wonder what else he is plotting b/c he doesn't take well to losing.  I have remained quiet on my end and as hard as it was I refrained from doing any "victory" dances in his view.  

The less I have to do with him and the less I feed into him (his emails, phone calls) the better off I am.  My husband has been very helpful and will weed through his emails in case there is anything of importance.  My poor husband also gets *stressed* from all of this and he just can't comprehend how a man can act the ways in which N does...especially regarding his treatment of the children.  

The eyes of your children will be opened to what their Dad is and I'm sure that will happen without you saying a word.  My 7 yo doesn't know the term N but she knows something is "not right" with Dad.  He isn't genuine with her and never bonded with her.  She feels its.

Best of luck to you in your situation.  I can't imagine how difficult it is for you after all the years you invested in your marriage.  But now you have a new beginning.  If you haven't begun to feel it already...you will....the feeling of being released from a prison that you weren't even aware  you were in.  At least that was my situation.  X N was also very rageful and physically destructive.  I was always walking on egg shells b/c there was never any rhyme or reason to his outbursts.  Right after the divorce he went to anger management on his own accord only to report to me that he was "cured" after two sessions.  I have a strong suspiscion that he had a falling out with the therapist.  During his employment as a VP he was instructed to attend "workshops" regarding his temper and lack of controlling it in the presence of clients. He did well as long as he was never challenged.

Well, that's enough as I'm going off on a tangent now.

take care.
mia