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seadog

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First time posting: my story
« on: September 18, 2004, 07:41:13 PM »
A lot of what I have read on this board and what I’ve seen in the articles on the main website resonate with me.  I can really empathize with many of the posters here.  I think my mother has many N qualities too.

To my mother, I did not exist as a person, but was only an extension of her.  Growing up, I mostly fit the “nerd” mold.  I was small of stature, and also fairly introverted and shy.  Needless to say, this made middle school a hellacious time.  As if that wasn’t enough, my mother detested me for the very same reasons.  She had no interest in me as a person.  Instead, it was my duty to be what she wanted me to be:  the stereotypical macho, extroverted jock, which was pretty much, the antithesis of who I truly was.  

I was confused by her constantly shifting mood as well.  She would ask me a question, and if I answered “incorrectly” (didn’t tell her what she wanted to hear), she would go ballistic.  This led me to attempt to guess what she wanted to hear from me and echo it.  For most of my life, I have felt that there is something “wrong” with me and that I am “weird” because I was labeled as such for not fitting my mother’s mold of what her son should be.  

Lying was another common theme permeating the relationship.  There was a particular sport I loathed playing.  I had lost interest and the team was full of bullies with no one I would consider a friend.  Prior to tryouts, my parents told me that I was expected to play on the team and they trusted that “I would never disobey them”.  Later when I made the team (this was a relatively small school where only a modicum of talent is required to play on middle school sports teams), they told me that it was 100% my choice to try out for the team, they merely “encouraged” me, and they did not want to listen to any of my crap about not wanting to play.  The majority of sports teams I participated on in middle school through high school, I did solely for my parents (mostly my mother’s) sake and were teams I would rather have not been on.  

I think I was depressed as an adolescent and I might be still today (I am in my mid 20’s), but anytime I brought up my feelings of unhappiness and worthlessness to my mother, I go the same tired speech that we are “white, upper-middle class, two parent family and you don’t have physical disabilities, are not mentally retarded and we do not beat you”, (which is true), “so there’s nothing you could possibly be upset about, and if you are upset, it’s only because you are too selfish, arrogant, etc., and think about all the people less fortunate than you!”  

I really looked forward to college because I would be out from under my parents thumb, but I really struggled mightily to form relationships and friendships.  It was very difficult and is something that does not come easily to me today.  I often have found myself just doing stuff for other people and not even thinking about what I want.  I work on this, but the concept of reciprocation in friendships and setting appropriate boundaries is difficult.  I also fell very guilty when I stand up for myself.  

As far as my relationship with my parents goes, it has become manageable.  I have brought up some of my sentiments expressed here with my dad (not my mom, though) and he and I get along great now.  Whenever I talk with my mother on the phone, I just start playing a computer game or doing something else so I can go “yep, uh-uh, etc.” until the conversation is over.  She has slowly stopped trying to guilt trip me every time I go away for a weekend with friends (I don’t live close to home, but my parents have called my home number frequently and given me the third degree when I was gone for most of a day).  My mother still sits and gloats about how she was the best possible mother in the world because she was so involved in my life, while neglecting the fact that she smothered me to the point where I struggled to answer a simple question like “What do you enjoy doing?”  I see her rarely enough that I can just ignore her at these times.  

My mother did grow up in a pretty dysfunctional family.  Her sister was an introvert and a bookworm of sorts.  My mother and her sister hated each other growing up and hate each other now.  They do not talk, not even at their father’s funeral.  I don’t know, maybe my mother’s upbringing and relationship with her sister had something to do with her aversion to who I was/am as a person.

I apologize for the length, but there’s even more I could write.  It feels great to at least get this off of my chest.  I welcome any reactions or responses anyone has.

- seadog

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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2004, 08:11:42 PM »
Welcome seadog!  :)

I really felt for you, reading your story. My mother also "decided" what we should be involved in, whether or not it fit our personalities. I lived in dread of what she'd decide I "should like" to do. I'm now in my late 40s and I STILL feel guilty about doing things I like, not what she likes. But I trained myself to overcome that and do what I want. I wish I'd started earlier. You have a lot of time ahead of you.

And hey, it's great that you have a nice relationship with your father. My father is still the mouthpiece of my mom.

keep posting.

bunny

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2004, 08:30:10 PM »
Welcome, seadog,
So sorry to read of all your pain, caused by your Nmother.  Hope you find strength and comfort here with us.  I only recently discovered this group, and am able to tell you that I am much stronger, now, thanks to the words and support of the other voiceless ones here.  There is a strength that comes from knowing that we are not alone.  Hope you will feel that strength, comfort and support, too.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2004, 11:09:50 AM »
Hi Seadog,

I also grew up in this sort of environment.  Mine was a little different in that every time I tried something new my mother would say "You won't be any good at that because you are just like me and I am not any good at that."  So, after one try (at a sport or hobby, etc) I would give up and decide that she was right....I was no good at it.  

The only time I was encouraged at something that she personally was not good at was when it benefited her.  For instance, I had a talent for crafts and needlework...that was encouraged because I gave her all the fruits of my labor.  I realized last year that while I have been producing beautiful needleworks since I was a teenager, I have not one example in my own home while my mother has hundreds of them.  

Just recently, I decided to take up tennis.  And to my surprise, I found that I was actually pretty good at it.  You have no idea.....I had always thought that I was hopelessly uncoordinated and unathletic.  I would have done anything to stay out of PE class, etc.  I almost didn't graduate from high school on time because I was lacking a 1/2 PE credit.   When I told my mother that I had taken up tennis and was really enjoying it and feeling better for the exercise, she said "You need to stop that immediately.  You need to come to Curves with me.  That is the right exercise for you, not tennis!"  

All I can say is, once I decided to try to be true to my wants and desires, my increasing cycles of depression began to lessen and I began to feel a happiness that had been lacking in my life in a long time. There is the price to pay in disapproval from my mother.   I am willing to pay that price though because the other price was simply to high.  

Good luck to you.

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2004, 05:20:48 PM »
Hi Seadog,
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I often have found myself just doing stuff for other people and not even thinking about what I want. I work on this, but the concept of reciprocation in friendships and setting appropriate boundaries is difficult. I also fell very guilty when I stand up for myself.

I can so much relate to you!!! I had (and still am sometimes) fallen into the codependent trap in these past 5 years or so. When I had finished college, I became financially independent and I thought the relationships with my both N parents would improve... It did with my Dad but went even worst w/ my Mom. Guilt trips were (and still are) her favorite thing, she is so subbtle that I do not catch them all the time, but I try, like you do, to improve my boundaries, and not feel guilt about it.
I managed to set a greater distance between me and her (I had not seen for one year, ie.e until last september). It did a lot of good to me... I manage now sometimes to "observe" her from a distance and feed her N as she wants. But I am very careful about getting caught into her trap again. This is why I decided to see/call her every month or couple of months only. She knows that if she breaks too many boundaries, well, she will have to wait longer before she can see me.. It seems to work, for now..
The biggest thing for me now is to do away with the guilt thing...

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2004, 10:30:37 PM »
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To my mother, I did not exist as a person, but was only an extension of her.  Growing up, I mostly fit the “nerd” mold.  I was small of stature, and also fairly introverted and shy.  


Me too

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I was confused by her constantly shifting mood as well.

My mother too was very moody.

 
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Lying was another common theme permeating the relationship.  


My mother was a pathological liar.


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I really looked forward to college because I would be out from under my parents thumb, but I really struggled mightily to form relationships and friendships.  It was very difficult and is something that does not come easily to me today.  I often have found myself just doing stuff for other people and not even thinking about what I want.  I work on this, but the concept of reciprocation in friendships and setting appropriate boundaries is difficult.  I also fell very guilty when I stand up for myself.  


Me too, to this day (early 30's) I don't know who I am, what I truly like to do or whatever because I have been too busy "people pleasing."  I too have a difficult time maintaining friendships.



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My mother did grow up in a pretty dysfunctional family.  Her sister was an introvert and a bookworm of sorts.  My mother and her sister hated each other growing up and hate each other now.  They do not talk, not even at their father’s funeral.  I don’t know, maybe my mother’s upbringing and relationship with her sister had something to do with her aversion to who I was/am as a person.


Same here--my mother's family did not come to her funeral.  I sincerely believed she felt unloved growing up and, as a result, could not properly raise a child.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2005, 08:36:54 PM »
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but anytime I brought up my feelings of unhappiness and worthlessness to my mother, I go the same tired speech that we are “white, upper-middle class, two parent family and you don’t have physical disabilities, are not mentally retarded and we do not beat you”, (which is true), “so there’s nothing you could possibly be upset about, and if you are upset, it’s only because you are too selfish, arrogant, etc., and think about all the people less fortunate than you!”


I can relate myself to u!  Whenever I express my feelings, everyone would just tell me there's not reason for me to be depressed because I live in a first world country, blah blah blah.  They'll never understand how we feel because they do not have any depressing expriences.

My other issue:  I seem to be changing my personality because my father wants such a change.  He likes me to be talkative and sociallable, But I am just not that kind of person! I know it's good for me, but I just don;t wnat to do it!  Everytime I told him how people are ignoring me, he just told me that I was not sociallable enough.  I do have a certain degree of anger about this issue.

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2005, 10:17:54 PM »
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I do have a certain degree of anger about this issue.


Well, you should!  Who is this change your father wants good for, you or him?  Did he ask you what you want?  

I guess living in anger all the time isn't the answer (!), but I think getting angry in the first place is a necessary first step!  Maybe it's the best first step for all of us survivors because for the longest time we tailored our reactions to everyone else.  Getting mad pisses them off (or the "them" in our minds) which is part of why it is freeing (and fun!).

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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2005, 10:25:01 PM »
Hello Seadog,

Your childhood was very difficult, Seadog.  I am happy that you have a good relationship with your dad.  I'm sure that helps alot.  I remember how difficult my 20's were for me. I am glad to hear that you are on your own. It is important to have your own space. You have great insight into your situation.

I don't know if you or any of us will ever fully understand the why of our parents.  I think it is more important to learn to care about yourself, to accept yourself and to have a good life.

We can't change them.  We can only find a place for them, or not, in our lives that is comfortable for us.

Take care, Jo

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2005, 10:26:17 PM »
Seadog:
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My mother did grow up in a pretty dysfunctional family. Her sister was an introvert and a bookworm of sorts. My mother and her sister hated each other growing up and hate each other now. They do not talk, not even at their father’s funeral. I don’t know, maybe my mother’s upbringing and relationship with her sister had something to do with her aversion to who I was/am as a person.



You're probably right, Seadog, and it is very insightful of you to figure that out.  Like you, I grew up with parents who were inconsistent and not nurturing and dishonest and arrogant.  And they also had fairly inadequate parenting themselves.

It's so tough to resolve all of the feelings of emphathy I have for my parents with my anger with them.  I didn't know what to do with all of those conflicting feelings ("I'm mad at them!" "Wait, it isn't really their fault, I'm bad to be mad at them!" etc.).  But it helped to start reading.  I like the book The Narcissistic Family but there are others, too.   The books I've read acknowledge these mixed emotions and help tease out what to do with them.  

Which is not to say I don't still bounce back and forth between those two emotions!  I guess guilt is something I'll never fully irradicate.  There is always this voice suggesting to me that whatever the situation is, it is secretly my fault.

Anyway, welcome to this list.  There is a lot of help to be gotten here, and it definitely seems you are in the right place.

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2005, 10:08:38 AM »
Welcome Seadog:

Where is is true you are not disabled and are a perfectly intact person, it is equally true that the boundries and your desires as a person were not respected.  Consequently when someone asks you to do something, no matter if it is at your expense, you just say ok.  You have been trained to be that way and to expect nothing less.  Please continue to post here and work through the Nness of your mother.  She is clearly a N.  What she does not realize that the very relationship she so desperately needs and wants, she is busily pushing it away.  I am glad you have a good understanding with your father.  At least this can provide a "touchstone" as home for  you.  Patz