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bunny

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2005, 07:15:47 PM »
Does your husband have any legal rights here? If not, isn't it just his hard luck at this point. You certainly don't have to let him into your home. Maybe he can talk to her only on the phone. I'm sorry but he has burned his bridges at your house, don't you think?

I'm really sorry about the therapy sessions. Very crappy system for the patient.

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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2005, 07:30:21 PM »
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Does your husband have any legal rights here? If not, isn't it just his hard luck at this point. You certainly don't have to let him into your home. Maybe he can talk to her only on the phone. I'm sorry but he has burned his bridges at your house, don't you think?

I'm really sorry about the therapy sessions. Very crappy system for the patient.

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Yes.  He is not coming here again.  I am certain of that.  I am never having another weekend like the last one.  Never ever ever.  

He has no formal legal rights, because it is all done by agreement so far.  He often threatens to take me to court, and I just say, if you think that will get you anywhere then go ahead.  Then he doesn't bother.

Bad timing by therapist.  I am going to ask her to change this.  I can't stop being helped now, when I am not well enough to cope on my own.  I know I am unwell.  I can feel myself on the edge of the abyss.  Not safe.

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2005, 07:34:56 PM »
Yes I think this was absolutely bad timing on the part of your therapist.  Are you happy with your therapist otherwise?
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2005, 07:32:59 AM »
October:

I hope my post did not make you sad or offend you.  You are handling this situation as best as possible.  My cousin has this same liver disease.  His was from using dirty needles as a drug addict.  He is in a very bad way.

I am not surprise he has not quit drinking.  He has a true death wish and it is coming true at the expense of your daughter.  I am very sorry for this.  Every daughter deserves a father and every son a mother.  You are doing a great job.  Taking your daugher and yourself to a therapist and Alanon will help.  I can see why you are suffering from ptsd.

My mother died from heart disease at age 57 which is very young.  She had a very bad tobacco habit.  Smoked 3 packs a day.  You would go in the house and the walls would be yellow with nicotine.  After she was diagnosed with heart failure, she did not quit smoking either.  She was very addicted to nictotine.  No amount of begging or pleading, seeking help etc. would convince her that she had to do something.  My younger brother had a major  heart attack by the time he was 43 from the same thing.  He would not stop smoking either.  He tells everyone  he has quit but people who know him, and see him in public, see him smoking.  I suspect he will die an early death as well.   If narcs would only realize the collateral damage they cause........it is very tragic.  Patz

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2005, 09:36:19 AM »
Hiya October:

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Social services refused supervised access because she was not on the at risk register, and when I asked for her to be put on the register they said they couldn't do that because her dad did not live with us any longer.


Stupid, stupid, flippin' system!!!   :x  Oh well.  OK.  When you feel strong enough, and it suits you, you can supervise visits yourself.  You can take her to the mall and he can buy her a milkshake there.  You can all go to a movie.  You can visit in the park, on a nice day and you can bring a good book to read, while he connects with his daughter, if he chooses to do that.  He has no business in your home, you have been overly generous, and he has ruined that opportunity.  Now...opportunities will have to come from other sources and he will decide whether or not to embrace them, or not.  The telephone is always there, as suggested, ready to ring and I'm sure your daughter would be glad to hear from him.  He can decide which new avenue he wishes to take in keeping in touch with his daughter, as long as you are there to see that he doesn't get pissed and fall down again, during a visit.  He did that and you have a right and an obligation to prevent him from having an opportunity to do that again.  This needs to be made clear.

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He has no formal legal rights.


Good!!  Then you can decide when and where he will see his daughter, if at all.

My vent for you. :!:  :!:

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This has left me feeling very alone and unsupported. Nobody wants to know. Nobody wants to help.


This is a very sad fact about the world.  It is such a hectic world, isn't it?  And people rush around, do their own thing, barely notice those who are not in sink with all of that because they are too busy.    We've all done it.
The "system" is just as bad or worse than the rest of society in this respect.  I'm sorry it has failed you, October.  It's not right or fair. :(

Alanon is interested in supporting you and helping you to feel not so alone.  :D   There is no fee to join or cost to go.  You might even meet a new friend or two there.  It's an hour or so away from the hum drum and a time to focus on helping you.  Maybe you will decide to check it out?  What's to lose? :?:

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Bad timing by therapist. I am going to ask her to change this. I can't stop being helped now, when I am not well enough to cope on my own. I know I am unwell. I can feel myself on the edge of the abyss. Not safe.


Yes......and good for you for asking her to change it!  Maybe she will be able to!!  If not........you must seek help for yourself and for your daughter's sake.  Go to your doc.  Call the distress centre and see if there are any other means of therapy.  If all fails......find a clergy member to speak with.  You don't have to be a church member to speak with a minister or priest and they will....want to help you....not want you to feel so alone.....and want to understand, help and support you.  I don't like to think of a mom who is so upset and feeling so unwell.  You must do your best to get better so that you can be the best you can be for your daughter.

Nag. Nag.  Nag. :D

Have you heard of the John Howard Society?  They have locations all over the world.  They offer free counselling (often for those being released from prison) and other services.  They often offer counselling to the people in an area, for very low cost or free of charge.....depending on the needs of the community.  Look them up and see if they are anywhere nearby.  They will help you, if you ask.

October......life sucks sometimes.  We all know it.  Please don't despair.  As hard as that is and as tempting.   It's not easy where you are but your daughter needs you to be strong.  You can do it too!  Forget the stupid system and take the reigns yourself.  Find what you need, it's gotta be out there.

I'm sorry that this is so tough.  I wish I could offer more to help you feel a little bit better.  Much is up to you......to reach out and grab onto whatever line becomes available.  I'm so glad that you are posting here for support and I hope you will continue to do so.

((((((((October)))))))

GFN

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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2005, 06:04:04 PM »
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Yes I think this was absolutely bad timing on the part of your therapist.  Are you happy with your therapist otherwise?
LM


Yes.  I thought I was making really good progress and learning a lot.  I think it is too soon to stop this, because I am not competent at the skills she is teaching me, and I need longer to consolidate.

I don't want her around forever, but I want her for as long as it takes.  If it stops now, I know I cannot sustain what I have learned, and I will regress seriously.  Especially with retraumatisation happening like this.

I must try to communicate this to her.  If she is good, then she will listen.

<crosses fingers>

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2005, 06:06:39 PM »
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October:

I hope my post did not make you sad or offend you.    Patz


Not at all, Patz.  I appreciate very much the support I have been given here - it is helping me a lot, at a time when I have no real 3D support.

There are friends, but they are some distance away.   :(

I am sorry about your cousin, and your mother, and brother.  It is devastating to watch someone we love destroy themself.

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2005, 06:19:25 PM »
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Hiya October:

Good!!  Then you can decide when and where he will see his daughter, if at all.

The "system" is just as bad or worse than the rest of society in this respect.  I'm sorry it has failed you, October.  It's not right or fair. :(


GFN



Thanks for your very kind post, GFN.  It is all very helpful, and in particular I think the Alanon idea is a good one, and will help both me and my daughter.  I will investigate the John Howard Society too.  

It helps to have new options to try.  I know that if I am discharged by my current t with nowhere to go, that will feel so very unsafe.  I am not sure I can cope with that.  If I have new ideas, new options to try, that will be easier.

I have a friend who is a minister.  I rang him at 1am on Sunday morning, just after ringing the ambulance, but he didn't answer the phone.  He was collecting someone from a railway station.  I rang him the following afternoon, at around 5, and said, did you get my message, and he said no.  Not his fault, but he wasn't there.   :cry:   That seems to be my problem.  At the worst moments, the really terrible times, I am left alone to cope.  And I do cope, but I am left afterwards in pain, and still feeling alone in the whole world.  Like there is nobody else who cares enough to see, and to come to me and give me a hug.

Sorry, feeling rather sorry for myself.  Took daughter to the doctors today, and I am doing all the right things, and she seems a little better today, so that is good.  Also, I have discussed access with her.  I have said that her dad needs to understand that his actions were his choice, and that there will be results of those choices.  

One result I am considering is no contact for either one or two years, and proof of alcoholic rehabilitation of some kind at the end of that time, before he sees her again.  She has agreed that this sounds like a very good idea, but we are both going to think about it for 2 weeks, and then discuss it again before making any decisions.  She is pleased that I am taking the initiative and deciding what should happen next.  She says she does not ever want to see her dad again as she saw him on Sunday.

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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2005, 07:14:01 PM »
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That seems to be my problem.  At the worst moments, the really terrible times, I am left alone to cope.  And I do cope, but I am left afterwards in pain, and still feeling alone in the whole world.  Like there is nobody else who cares enough to see, and to come to me and give me a hug.


I hope your therapist can still see you, to help you develop a bigger "bag of tricks" in case no one is there when you call them. That seems to lead to a feeling of endless loneliness and hopelessness (I assume from childhood). I guess the problem is NHS and you only have X number of sessions? (I'm in the US so this is a total guess on my part.)


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One result I am considering is no contact for either one or two years, and proof of alcoholic rehabilitation of some kind at the end of that time, before he sees her again.


Why one or two years? Just wondering. He may not live that long. Maybe that's a good thing.

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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2005, 08:42:54 PM »
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I hope your therapist can still see you, to help you develop a bigger "bag of tricks" in case no one is there when you call them. That seems to lead to a feeling of endless loneliness and hopelessness (I assume from childhood). I guess the problem is NHS and you only have X number of sessions? (I'm in the US so this is a total guess on my part.)



Yes.  Emotional abuse and neglect.  Still don't know how to achieve emotional support at times of crisis.  Tend to turn into a zombie and just keep on going for as long as it takes.

The NHS is supposed to be giving me as many sessions as I need.  The problem comes with defining what is enough.  I think I have had about 24 with my current t, which is a lot by NHS standards, but not a lot to deal with 44 years of abuse of one kind or another, leading to 10 years of ptsd at the end of it.


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Why one or two years? Just wondering. He may not live that long. Maybe that's a good thing.


No idea really.  I suppose because one or two years is a very long time to a 12 year old.  Long enough for her to be able to recover, but not so long that she cannot see beyond it.  And yes, he may die in the meantime.  But if he does that without her being enmeshed in the dying process, then good.

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2005, 09:19:23 AM »
Hi again October:

You are very welcome for my post.  I am glad you found my suggestions helpful.  That's what we're here to do.....support eachother and offer any helpful ideas we can think of, right?

Maybe even ...challenge eachother's ideas a little sometimes???

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That seems to be my problem. At the worst moments, the really terrible times, I am left alone to cope. And I do cope, but I am left afterwards in pain, and still feeling alone in the whole world. Like there is nobody else who cares enough to see, and to come to me and give me a hug.


Sorry to keep quoting this part of your post but it just jumps out at me screaming.....help!!!!

At the worst moments in life, the really terrible times, I have been left alone to cope too, so in a way, I think I might understand somewhat how you might feel.

I've had those sort of feeling sorry for myself thoughts too......"I'm all alone in the world"...."I am left in pain"....."There is nobody else who cares"......etc...

Coping with crisis and/or trauma is hard stuff and takes a lot out of us, doesn't it?  For me......I feel like a plant that's been without water for too long afterward.  All droopy and wobbly and pale and weak and dried up.

There is no doctor or person on earth that can guarantee us that they will be there to give you or I a hug, the next time calamity hits.  No one can do that because circumstances happen......people might be unavailable....timing is really off......all of that.

So........the good thing is......you do survive those times...you might feel like a zombie but you acted appropriately (in this last crisis you did....calling ambulance, getting daughter to safe place, going to hospital, calling fil, etc...).  So....really.....you can get through the crisis and what you think you really need.....you can do without....because you've done it before and therefore...you can do it again.  Right?

What I need after such a time.....is a big, cool, drink of water for my droopy plant.  I have an idea that maybe you might need the same thing.

Support from others is like a nice drink of water to a plant, isn't it?  Maybe it would be nice to have someone to stand with us throughout every difficult time in our lives, and I agree I would love it...if that could happen and if I could get lot's of hugs all through that period....but my thinking is......it isn't a realistic thing to want, it isn't going to happen.  No one can always be there.  That's just the way it is.

Afterward though.....I can get out there and get a good drink of water.  So can you, October.  Getting support from your friends, the minister you know, posting here, joining a new support group like Alanon, --to talk about what happened and your feelings etc......all of those things plus ..have a nice bubble bath, light a candle, put on some of your favorite music, go to the library and find a good book ...and whatever else it takes to help yourself replenish your plant......is available.  But you and I must actively go get that drink of fresh, clean, cool water.  We must hug ourselves.

In the end, we are not alone.  There are people in the world who are interested and willing and do care to help us.  We are in pain but there are things we can do to help ourselves out of that pain.  It's just that we have to actively seek those things and it's hard when we're feeling so depleted.

So October....take sips, ok.  Little sips, one day at a time and before you know it....you won't feel so dehydrated, if that's how it feels to you.  I can only imagine because I'm not you.  That's how I feel after such events and taking charge of my own rehydration is what helps me most.  It's like hugging myself.

I hope you are having a better day already and things go much better for you from now on.  Please remember to hug yourself too because you can always count on you being there when the going gets rough.

But here's another one from me to you anyway....((((((October))))))

GFN

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2005, 01:46:32 PM »
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I hope you are having a better day already and things go much better for you from now on.  Please remember to hug yourself too because you can always count on you being there when the going gets rough.

But here's another one from me to you anyway....((((((October))))))

GFN



Thank you.  My minister friend is too busy to talk to me.  I have phoned a few times, the last time asking to speak to him about my counsellor, and he said he would call back.  He hasn't found the time yet.

I arranged with another friend for her to come and see me tomorrow.  She has cancelled because she has broken  her toe.  Another friend helped with bringing me some diaralyte for my daughter this morning, but could only stay a minute, so that was better than nothing, but not what I need.  My family has not been near, nor phoned, nor emails. Nothing.  I am visiting a cousin on Monday, assuming my daughter is better, so maybe that will help.

I am trying to get that drink of water, but it is not easy.   :?

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2005, 02:02:18 PM »
Hi October,

Gee, I'm sorry the minister hasn't called you back. I hope he will do it very soon. Can you call the counselor herself?

This may be lame, but I find that watching TV makes me feel less alone when I feel abandoned. Or going to the grocery store or a place where people are. I feel less wierd, abnormal, and isolated.

And we're here!

bunny

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2005, 02:14:03 PM »
October:  Do you have a dog?  I know they are a lot of work, but I can sob in front of my dogs, not my children.  Dogs are great therapy, kids never should be.  Honestly, my dogs live for my attention and give so much unconditional affection and amusement, it makes the vet bills totally worth it.
They force me to live in the moment, just as they do.
Maybe not a practical idea for you, just a thought.  
And although you can't get a physical shoulder to cry on here, you've still got  lots of them.  Hang in there.

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2005, 02:35:58 PM »
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Hi October,

Gee, I'm sorry the minister hasn't called you back. I hope he will do it very soon. Can you call the counselor herself?



He will get round to it eventually.  This may sound strange, but he is gay, and women are rather invisible to him.  If I was one of his gay friends he would have called already.  It is nothing personal.   :(

I don't have a number for my counsellor.  I tried writing a letter, but I can't find the right words.  I don't see her until a week on Monday.  Normally it is every week, but she is away next week.


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This may be lame, but I find that watching TV makes me feel less alone when I feel abandoned. Or going to the grocery store or a place where people are. I feel less wierd, abnormal, and isolated.
 


Telly helps, yes.  Also, looking after my daughter and doing the routine stuff.  Changed the beds today and did lots of washing, which means ironing tomorrow.  Also, I need to hoover everywhere.  But I am still very weird, and not finding a way out yet.  Can't go where people are because of the agoraphobia.  Will tend to be worse when I feel this way.

Thanks for being there.  It really helps a lot.