mum's not the word story... ah redundancy

[mum's not the word story]

she...having employed adroitly enuf narcissitic personality disorder tools of the trade
that were at times earlier more readily possibly exposible as to their viciousness and underhandedness
such tools of the stock and standard narcissistic trade of
fornicating with others hopes, doubts, and weakness
building up to tear down when deemed needed
not to expose her own self deception of her own grand image
and to hide her own real doubts from self and others
to build a power base to twist and turn others asunder
if they come to question what they should provide her as her due...
not saying that she was very helpful at times to the needs of others
but how she could coldly drop them
sometimes the other not realizing they were marked for ultimate destruction
with cleverly implanted self-destructive traits
that she could claim innocence as that is not necessarily viewed consciously what she was doing..
but one might suspect such self glory seeking that one wanted to hide from self
might well invite negative spirits to perform her work so as she can feel innocent
..the spirits sensing the feast of soul blood that could come
that they might gorge themselves on... including the initiating narcissist ...

damaging the spirit of those who might recognize her ways
and might expose or oppose her own desired self deceiving self-image...
by means of more obvious underhanded and vicious means
that of course she felt justified
and might even come to forget their use...
now later she can turn to appearing more noble caring helpful
in all her ways to enlist better those she thinks she might have broken their spirit
as if she is giving them tho a wonderful spirit if they would only accept perhaps...

one of teh ploys was about she did the best she could
which involved tho she might forget or deny it
neurotic rages that probably only her husband fully knew
as he was to embarrassed to let others know how he had let himself be made to feel helpless
before he was broken
he hoped that if they went to counseling things could be helped
but not really knowing how good narcissists can be at avoiding or twisting therapy

there are hints that one of his concerns was the syndrome
where an apparently hypersexual woman
thru some aspects of marriage not providing her all the glory she feels she deserves
can for all intents and purposes turn frigid
but that might not be how she would describe it


oh she is quite willing to suggest counseling and therapies for her victims
sensing probably how most counselors
are not able
or not willing to dare
pick out how the most malignant asepcts of a parent's benign narcissism
that might be driving people nuts
behind a screen of hunky dory vibrancy and normalcy

but if the family does break down
she maintains the image
that itwas she who most provided the real hope for improvement
while the spouse was the real culprit for putting things at risk
plus such elements as handy
such as alcohol, drugs, or say bob dylan

and no one should certainly say that she did not do her best
and maybe her husband too as if he did his best,
still it was his flaws that are more responsible of course
for the problems
seems oddly like and not like
THE ANIMAL FARM
where all do their best
and all are equal
but some are more equal than others

while one sister still quests as the explanation for the possible root of the troubles
are genetic flaws in dad's line

oh come on now
give me a break
but that's not likely considering the thoroughness often of the narcisstic agenda

just so you know tho...
taking from a dylan song
IT'S ALLRIGHT MA
I'M ONLY BLEEDING
hmmmm tho just so u know
i suspect dylan
has aspects quite in line with some narcissists
but maybe more on the psychopathic level..
which raises the question
which is more likely to be cured the narcissist or the psychopath..
maybe it is like a cold or pneumonia cures

no THE CURE is not a fav band of mine
my guess is that they more encourage psychopathy than a real cure...
but nevertheless thanks
mr dylan
for better exposing narcissistic mom
but this is not to deny that mom might pall?
next to the power games dylan might play..
but sometimes the more extreme the abuse
the more likely one is to see it and break free...
sometimes what best exposes narcissists
are others who are narcissists or employ
common narcissistic ploys

yep u can fool all of the people some of the time etc etc

[tis moi]

she...having employed adroitly enuf narcissitic personality disorder tools of the trade
that were at times earlier more readily possibly exposible as to their viciousness and underhandedness
such tools of the stock and standard narcissistic trade of
fornicating with others hopes, doubts, and weakness
building up to tear down when deemed needed
not to expose her own self deception of her own grand image
and to hide her own real doubts from self and others
to build a power base to twist and turn others asunder
if they come to question what they should provide her as her due...
not saying that she wasN'T very helpful at times to the needs of others

[Portia]

Hi guest, of various names? - I would hazard a guess.

How are you?

I’ve read your post above. It’s all about them? What about you. Or are you one of them? The Dad, the offspring? The other offspring.

sometimes the other not realizing they were marked for ultimate destruction
with cleverly implanted self-destructive traits

Your style sounds poetic to me. But so, so bitter. Bitter fruit.

Cleverly implanted? I disagree. Whatever manipulation is visited upon us, no-one can determine exactly what the outcome will be. We perceive as we perceive, not how others would wish us to. Isn’t that so? So those self-destructive traits were not cleverly implanted. Those self-destructive traits are ultimately the responsibility of the one who experiences them. Self-destruction is done by one person. Agree or no?

Do you feel self-destructive? Or would you instead wish to destroy she whom you blame? Ah blame.

but some are more equal than others

I think this is bollocks. I think we’re all different. I don’t think A is better than Z. I think A is different to Z. Do you disagree? Do you think there are qualities that are ‘better than’? Good is better than bad? It depends, surely.

no THE CURE is not a fav band of mine

The Cure, not mine either, just a bit too fluffy, insubstantial. And as for Dylan, Lennon et al. Well, it amazes me how often people like these can create such insightful art which speaks to many, and yet they still behave like idiots. I tend not to idolise anyone, they’re all human and fallible, even the most annoying or harmful amongst us. They’re only people: narcissists, psychopaths, presidents and neighbours. What is there to be afraid of, apart from sadness, insanity, injury and death?

sometimes what best exposes narcissists

If this is your objective - it’s time to change tracks. Exposing serves no good purpose. It doesn’t help them, it doesn’t help you.

Time to find you?

[mum's not the word]

THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS
WHEN I HAVE MORE TIME FOR SUCH
I MIGHT RESPOND MORE FULLY
AND NOT SO INTENSELY ANALYTICALLY
Portia



Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Posts: 1047

 Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject:    

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Hi guest, of various names? - I would hazard a guess.

How are you? WELL LET ME SEE WHAT CONDITION MY CONDITION
MIGHT BE IN... HMMM... SINCE WITHIN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS
FINDING SEVERAL NEW SOURCES AND STUDIES ABOUT
NARCISSISM ... ENCOURAGED THAT SUCH CAN ME CLARIFY
TO OTHERS BY WAY OF  MORE BACK UP ..WHAT I HAVE
ESSENTIALLY LONG KNOWN

I’ve read your post above. It’s all about them? What about you. Or are you one of them? The Dad, the offspring? The other offspring. I AM
AN OFFSPRING BUT NOT THE ONE WHO SEEKS SO MUCH
THE ESSENCE OF THE ISSUES AS FROM DAD OR HIS GENETIC LINE
AND HAS NOT AS THAT ONE WHO SEES MOM AS THE SUFFERING HERO
AH..ABOUT ME FOR NOT THAT IS OFT MOSTLY FOR THOSE WITH GOOD DISCERNMENT
TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES... HOPEFULLY CORRECTLY
WHICH METHINKS MUDPUPPY HAS SOMEWHAT MISSED THE MARK
IN RESPONSE TO ONE OF MY OTHER POSTS

Quote:
sometimes the other not realizing they were marked for ultimate destruction
with cleverly implanted self-destructive traits


Your style sounds poetic to me. But so, so bitter. Bitter fruit.
AH YES BITTER BUT PERHAPS NOT SO BITTER
MORE I PROJECTED BACK TO SOME OF THE OLD DRAMA
TO UH DRAMATIZE IT FOR THE SAKE OF PUTTING
FLESH TO ITS BONES ...

Cleverly implanted? I disagree. Whatever manipulation is visited upon us, no-one can determine exactly what the outcome will be. We perceive as we perceive, not how others would wish us to. Isn’t that so? So those self-destructive traits were not cleverly implanted. Those self-destructive traits are ultimately the responsibility of the one who experiences them. Self-destruction is done by one person. Agree or no?
I AGREE IN THAT I DID NOT MEAN THAT IT WAS SURE FIRE
THAT IT WOULD SUCCEED BUT THAT NEVERTHELESS THERE ARE
THOSE WHO FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR OWN AVOIDING THEIR OWN
DOUBTS ARTIFICIALLY AND THINK OF THEMSELVES AS MORE
HELPFUL AND POSTIVE THAN THEY ARE WHEN THAT IS IN
VARIOUS WAYS CALLED INTO QUESTION , DO HAVE A KIND OF
CLEVER WAY OF STRENGTHENING THEIR WORLDY POWER
TO ACTUALLY OFTEN ACHIEVE THINGS THAT ARE TO SOME
DEGREE IMPRESSIVE SOMETIMES AND READING OTHERS DOUBTS
AND MAKING OTHERS DOUBT WHAT MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY
A RATHER POWERFUL GOOD...AND AS SUGGESTED OFTEN
THIS IS DONE SUBCONSCIOUSLY AND ENABLED BY
THE NEGATIVE SPIRITS THAT SUCH EGOTISM MIGHT DRAW..
AND NOT THAT ONE HAS TO BE TRAPPED BUT THAT IT IS CLEVER
AND DOES TEND TO TRAP OTHERS IN DOUBT OR IN SAME ARTIFCIAL
SUCCESS IMAGE THAT IS OF THIS WORLD THO IT MIGHT
CLAIM THAT IT'S SOURCE IS NOT OF THIS WORLD OR THAT
THE WAY TO SUCCESS IS THRU DENYING THAT THERE IS NOT
A NOT OF THIS WORLD SOURCE FOR PERFECTION AND THAT
ONE TO BE TRULY SUCCESSFUL PLAY BY THE RULES OF THIS WORLD..
BIBLICALLY AKA SYMBOLICALLY BABYLON AT ITS WORST..
Do you feel self-destructive? Or would you instead wish to destroy she whom you blame? Ah blame.

Quote:
but some are more equal than others  
I think this is bollocks. I think we’re all different. I don’t think A is better than Z. I think A is different to Z. Do you disagree? Do you think there are qualities that are ‘better than’? Good is better than bad? It depends, surely.
OH YES IT IS BOLLOCKS ..THAT WAS MY POINT AS I WAS
MAKING ONE OF THOSE WHICHAMCALLIT UH LITERARY REFERENCES
OR WHATEVER ABOUT A POINT THAT WAS A POINT IN THE
NOVEL..THE ANIMAL FARM:)
Quote:
no THE CURE is not a fav band of mine

The Cure, not mine either, just a bit too fluffy, insubstantial. And as for Dylan, Lennon et al. Well, it amazes me how often people like these can create such insightful art which speaks to many, and yet they still behave like idiots. I tend not to idolise anyone, they’re all human and fallible, even the most annoying or harmful amongst us. They’re only people: narcissists, psychopaths, presidents and neighbours. What is there to be afraid of, apart from sadness, insanity, injury and death?
THERE IS A CULT THAT I THINK IS LEGITIMATE  IN TERMS
OF A PERSON AS THE CENTER WHO SERVES AS A PERFECT
EXAMPLE FOR ALL OTHER MOSTLY FALLEN HUMANS...
JESUS .... NOT THAT HE HADNT SINNED THO ..IN THAT I THINK
INFORMATION FROM EDGAR CAYCE AND OTHERS IS CORRECT
IN THAT JESUS HAD BOUT 30 OR MORE INCARNATIONS BEFORE
HE CAME AS JESUS AND THAT HE WOULD COME OF SAVIOUR
I THINK IS SPOKEN OF IN THE OLD T IN ZECHARIAH...

I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH ARTISTIST IS THAT THEY
IDENTIFY IN SOME WAY WITH THEIR NEUROSIS AS THE NEEDED
SOURCE FOR THEIR UNDERSTANDING AND CREATIVITY AND
UNIQUENESS AND THUS AVOID FULLY FACING IT IN THE BELIEF
THAT IT CAN ME FULLY OVERCOME...
Quote:
sometimes what best exposes narcissists

If this is your objective - it’s time to change tracks. Exposing serves no good purpose. It doesn’t help them, it doesn’t help you.
IFN U REFER BACK TO WHERE IS AID THE ABOVE BOUT EXPOSIN
NARCISSIST HOPEFULLY IT MIGHT CLARIFY THAT I WAS
SAYIN HOW NARCISSISTS ARE OFT EXPOSED BEST
BY PICKING UP ON THE COMMON MALIGNANT DECEPTIVE
THREAD OF NARCISSISTS THAT THEY THEMSELVES
EVENTUALLY MIGHT REVEAL...I THINK NARCISSIM IN TERM
OF ENNEAGRAM PERSONALITY TYPES HAS ITS MAIN BASE
IN TYPE 3 OF WHICH A KEY ASPECT IS SAID TO BE THE
INTENSITY OF A TYPE OF DECEPTION FOR THE SAKE OF
NOT DOUBTING A SURE SELF IMAGE AND SUCCESS..
THIS TYPE AND ITS ENERGY I THINK CAN ALSO CARRY
OVER TO SOME OF THE OTHER 8 TYPES..

Time to find you?