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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2005, 02:15:28 AM »
Any,
Moira has not "assumed that ITexperiment did not research their information". In fact she said,

"have you done research- pardon me if you said you did,"

Maybe you should read a little more carefully yourself...

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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2005, 05:44:38 AM »
Wow! This genetics stuff sure became a flaming hot topic! :) Not my intention at all. Just stating the facts of my extensive research - something I love to do, research that is. :)

I found something interesting on a site, somewhere, on one of my many hunts for information of all kinds. It fit me perfectly. It was a test for which kind of work suits you best. My result was Research and Design. I don't like the limelight. Rather I prefer being in the background doing research and design. I love both. The particular web site was comparing body types and personalities. Very interesting. And the web site talked about how the man who discovered body types. He could spot a body type on anyone, any time and had 100% accuracy.

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2005, 11:20:54 AM »
Hello Any...now I'm wondering if you considered why these posts were written.  Again, I guess I am clueless but it sounds like you are teacher grading a paper.  Your information would be great if it weren't so disparaging of the post that generated your reply.  Take care.

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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2005, 12:56:53 PM »
Hi Any- Whoa Nelly!!!! I guess I get a detention and will return with a note from my parents!!! I am confused as to your hostility. I'm expressing my opinions which is, I thought- one of the points of this site as well as to offer support, tips etc. It would never occur to me to slam someone for theirs even if they run against the grain and I thought they were unhinged!!!! As for assumptions- yeah, we all make em, I like to think I know when I'm on that slippery slope. I won't bother commenting on any of your assumptions. I didn't just fall off a turnip truck and wasn't writing from my sofa glued to CSI!!! I don't feel any need to reiterate or justify anything from my post.You took obvoius offense- that's your problem, not mine and not any other readers. I have no problem with challenges but I remain confused as to why you feel the need to make personal attacks? Lucky for me I have a thick skin and healthy self esteem! I have no intention of engaging in a psissing match with anyone so if you feel the need to address this again with me, I will not respond. Sign me- Columbo scratching my head perplexed in my trench coat. Hee hee!!
I've just ended abusive relationship of 1 yr. with male narcissist. I cycle between stages of anger and grieving and have accepted it. Hope I've alienated him so he won't recontact me- is this possible?     Moira

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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2005, 01:26:58 PM »
The only comment I would like to make on this fascinating thread - and it does read like a detective novel (Don't mean that to sound negative - I love reading stuff like that, as long as it isn't too nasty) - is that in my case I have no doubt whatever that the man I call dad is actually my dad.  He and I are too similar in looks to leave any room for doubt.  We both have blue eyes, and both have unattached earlobes, and we both have relatively small build.  We have the same colour hair and similar shape faces.  Put us side by side, and you would immediately say, father daughter.  Just as put me beside my older brother and it would be clear we are brother and sister.  Younger brother is a little different, favouring mum's side instead, with darker hair, but similar enough to older brother to show the family resemblance.

But all of that is rather beside the point, to me.  In terms of emotional closeness, or what you might call appropriate parent:child bonding and relationship, dad in particular might as well be an alien from the Planet Zog.  He has no idea of who I am.  He wouldn't be able to tell you what I like or don't like, or what I read, or what tv I like watching. He would probably only say that I am arrogant, and think myself superior to him, and that I am a snob.  He would also say that he thinks the world of me and would do anything for me (one of his pet phrases) but this is part of his fantasy world, I am sorry to say. 

I commend your search for the truth, but even if in the end you are not able to reach any conclusive findings - or if you do - it doesn't really change the essential fact that you were not parented, any more than I was, or anyone else here was, in the way that we needed and deserved.  I used to fantasise about having been adopted, and thought that one day my 'real' parents would turn up and take me home.  But then I realised the terrible truth; that adopted children are wanted and chosen by their parents, and I was neither.  I had to belong, because I was not wanted.   :?


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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2005, 08:15:26 AM »
Sorry, but the besserwisser in me could not help but respond to this.

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5. Eyes. My mother has blue eyes. My father has brown. I have hazel, an impossibility! Brown is dominant and therefore I should have brown eyes. All three of my brothers have brown eyes.

You seem to have gotten this backwards. When it comes to genes we get one from each parent at birth. A dominant gene means that if you have two different genes, the dominant one will show. So if you have one blue-eyed gene from your mother and one brown-eyed gene from your father, yes, your eyes will be brown. But having brown eyes also means that you may have a blue or hazel gene as well, so your father might have one gene for brown and one for hazel, and if you inherited the hazel one, you could well turn out to have hazel eyes. Two browneyed people can have blue-eyed children, but two blue-eyed people can not have a browneyed child, since the gene is recessive they have two have both genes blue for them two have blue eyes, so there are no "hidden" genes for their children to inherit. I hope i don't come across as lecturing, that is not my intention, but I find this subject interesting. I am the blond, blue-eyed children of two dark-haired, browneyed parents, and although I got it from my maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather, stuff like this can be hidden much further back. Have you heard about those families in the US where a white couple might have a black child or vice versa, because of genes that have been hidden for generations and that nobody knew about? Imagine trying to explain that to your man!

Having said all that, I don't know anything about the other stuff you brought up, and I don't mean to say that you are wrong about your father being your father. I agree with October that it doesn't really matter, but I still think it would be great to find a parent you didn't know you had, and who might actually be sane and want to be around you! I'm guessing this is what drives you, and I wish you luck in your research, and hope you keep us posted!

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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2005, 05:30:46 AM »
Sorry, but the besserwisser in me could not help but respond to this.

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5. Eyes. My mother has blue eyes. My father has brown. I have hazel, an impossibility! Brown is dominant and therefore I should have brown eyes. All three of my brothers have brown eyes.

You seem to have gotten this backwards. When it comes to genes we get one from each parent at birth. A dominant gene means that if you have two different genes, the dominant one will show. So if you have one blue-eyed gene from your mother and one brown-eyed gene from your father, yes, your eyes will be brown. But having brown eyes also means that you may have a blue or hazel gene as well, so your father might have one gene for brown and one for hazel, and if you inherited the hazel one, you could well turn out to have hazel eyes. Two browneyed people can have blue-eyed children, but two blue-eyed people can not have a browneyed child, since the gene is recessive they have two have both genes blue for them two have blue eyes, so there are no "hidden" genes for their children to inherit. I hope i don't come across as lecturing, that is not my intention, but I find this subject interesting. I am the blond, blue-eyed children of two dark-haired, browneyed parents, and although I got it from my maternal grandmother and paternal grandfather, stuff like this can be hidden much further back.

Brown eyes are dominant and the father carries the genes. So everyone of the kids would have brown eyes.

My Nmother's side has blue eyes. My Nfather's side has brown eyes. Blue + brown does NOT = hazel eyes.

Blue eyes are considered the absence of color and therefore would not produce hazel eyes.

According to everything I have read, my eyes should be brown. In fact they look very much like my mother's eyes with a little bit of hazel coloring.

I trust my gut feeling which I have had since I was quite young. I always sensed my father was not my father. I never felt I was adopted but always knew something was amiss.  As my sig says, the truth is in me and the "the truth shall set me free." I'm only going to find freedom from my past through trusting myself and my gut feelings.

I remember some very strange conversations with my Nmother noticing things about me and then quickly changing the subject.

One incident in particular happened when I was a freshman in junior high. Being a girl I wanted to try lipstick, earrings, perfume, etc. I went into my parents' room to try out these items. My Nm came in and caught me in the act. Unusual for her, she decided to help me try things out. Normally she would have attacked my curiousity. She found some earings she didn't like because "they hung down too close to her face" and tried them out on my earlobes. My Nm said, "you have such nice earlobes. Not like mine I can't wear this type of earring." She started to put them on me and then her tone changed. Suddenly it was, "you need to hide your ears. They don't look nice. Your hair needs to be covering your ears."  She pulled the earrings off my earlobes and brought my hair down to cover my ears. Then quickly got me interested in some lipstick. It was like a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde switch.

Another time my Nm had roughly grabbed my wrist because she was angry about something. Suddenly in mid action she started to feel my wrist and then she compared that with her own. She said, "unlike me, you've got very small bones." My Nm then showed me the difference -- hers were large. And again as per usual the subject suddenly changed to something completely different.

There were many more incidents of sudden recognition that I was different than her or my father. And my Nm was the one who pointed out those differences. Then there was the quick coverup and subject change.

The covering of my ears with my hair by my Nm became a ritual after that. I would place my hair behind my ears and my mother would change my hair. I'd wear my hair straight and she would suggest curling it so it would cover my ears better. Her obsession with needing my ears covered continued well into my adult life.

In fact no one in my immediate and extended family has ears like mine.

Years ago while doing collages to work through memories I found a picture of someone I recognized. My therapist says face recognition is very common with memories where there may not be a corresponding memory of a name or even actual memory. I've saved that picture for years because the man looks familiar. I looked at it a couple of days ago and guess what type of earlobes this man has? Unattached. His eye color is hazel. Not only that I look like a cross between him and my Nmother.

Looking back I thought my Nm was dissociative because of these abrupt switches. However after thoroughly reading several books in the last couple of days, I've realized this is the typical N response for coverup or denyng feelings of their own or mine.

There are many more clues too numerous to list.

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Have you heard about those families in the US where a white couple might have a black child or vice versa, because of genes that have been hidden for generations and that nobody knew about? Imagine trying to explain that to your man!

You mean like the Strom Thurmond black daughter?
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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2005, 09:41:50 AM »
Hi Itex:

It is certainly interesting....all the differences you have noticed that don't quite fit with your "father".

Have you ever outright asked either of them about it/pointed out these differences?

I don't suppose the truth would be part of the equation.  It must be/have been tempting to ask though.

Do you find it..kind of a nice thing to fantasize about.....having a different father? 8)

I think I would.  Also I might feel a longing to find him and know him.

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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2005, 05:07:32 PM »
Hi ITexperiment!
I get the impression that my post upset you, and I'm truly sorry if it did. That was not my intention at all.This medium can be so difficult sometimes. :(  I in no way meant that you are wrong about your "father" not being your father. I don't doubt your experiences, and hey, who would know better than you? Well, maybe your parents, or at least your mother, but certainly not me, I've never even met anyone from your family (or not that I know of anyway...) I guess what I'm trying to say is that I validate you, and i do believe you. Even if you had no physical proof (but I'm not saying that you don't, that earlobe thing sounds pretty conclusive to me, and fascinating, especially the way your mother wanted them covered up...), I am a firm believer in so called "gut instinct". A professor once told me that instinct is not some anti-logical, out-there emotional response, but that it is knowledge that we are not aware of having... (Like noticing the earlobe-thing before you knew what it meant.) But I'm getting off track... I was just interested in a theorethical discussion of the eye-colour genetics. That a gene is dominant doesn't mean that you are more likely to inherit it (that is pretty random), but that that is the gene that will "show" in the physical person. Even if everyone in a family has brown eyes several generations back, they may also carry genes for blue, green or hazel eyes, but since the brown genes are dominant, they might not know! But one day, two brown-eyed people who both carry a recessive or "hidden" gene for another eye-colour might meet, and by chance their child inherits both of these genes and so will not have brown eyes. An example from real life: In my fiancé's family, both the mother and the father have brown eyes, one of the daughters has blue eyes, the other green eyes, and my f's eyes are sometimes hazel, sometimes green (depending on the light, but it would be cool if they changed colour depending on his mood... :)). Also, both my parents have brown eyes, but both my sister and me have blue eyes, and there is absolutely no doubt of them being my real parents, however much I wish they weren't... (my mother is N, and there is something very wrong with my dad too, although I don't know him well enough to say if he's N or not... Don't know wether to laugh or cry about that, maybe I should just thank my lucky star.... :?)

Anyhow, sorry we seemed to get off on the wrong foot, I've been gone for a while, but I think I remember you from when I was more active and you seem like a cool person. Take care and good luck in your research! :)
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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2005, 08:50:29 PM »
Hi Itex:

It is certainly interesting....all the differences you have noticed that don't quite fit with your "father".

Have you ever outright asked either of them about it/pointed out these differences?

I don't suppose the truth would be part of the equation.  It must be/have been tempting to ask though.

Do you find it..kind of a nice thing to fantasize about.....having a different father? 8)

I think I would.  Also I might feel a longing to find him and know him.

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Sela

Hello Sela,
Yes, I have outright asked numerous times both as a child and an adult, why I look different than anyone else. Of course my Nm's reply is always, "well you look like me." Then she does the famous N tactic - quickly changes the subject. Then again she has already noted the differences between she and I.

I've always felt I've been missing something in my life. This goes beyond all the N stuff. I always knew from an early age something was different about me, that I didn't fit.

The sad part is he was part of the abuse equation. :(  A long story there which is too disgusting to even talk about. :x  :(  So I don't long to meet him rather I long to find this man and "see" him for the first time as an adult. Not necessarily in person either. I don't know if that is possible. He may not even be alive.

Three of my books clearly describe him. I know his hair color, eye color, his body build, his likes and dislikes, what he did for a living, for hobbies and interests, his personality, etc. I know almost everything about him. It's creepy. Yes, very creepy.

In order to publish my books I'll have to change his name though. I have his first name, which two of my brothers have so cleverly repeated in their children's name. Imagine having two brothers name their children the same name. I believe it is a reminder, an echo. My therapist sees it a different way. That it is very likely that these two brothers also had contact with my biological father.

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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2005, 01:06:22 AM »
The only comment I would like to make on this fascinating thread - and it does read like a detective novel (Don't mean that to sound negative - I love reading stuff like that, as long as it isn't too nasty) - is that in my case I have no doubt whatever that the man I call dad is actually my dad.  He and I are too similar in looks to leave any room for doubt.  We both have blue eyes, and both have unattached earlobes, and we both have relatively small build.  We have the same colour hair and similar shape faces.  Put us side by side, and you would immediately say, father daughter.  Just as put me beside my older brother and it would be clear we are brother and sister.  Younger brother is a little different, favouring mum's side instead, with darker hair, but similar enough to older brother to show the family resemblance.

I show no family resemblance to anyone but my Nmother and then not totally like my my Nmother.

I found a web site for hair genetics and it was definite. It said when there is one person with curly hair and one with straight all children would have wavy hair. Everyone does except me.

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I commend your search for the truth, but even if in the end you are not able to reach any conclusive findings - or if you do - it doesn't really change the essential fact that you were not parented, any more than I was, or anyone else here was, in the way that we needed and deserved.  I used to fantasise about having been adopted, and thought that one day my 'real' parents would turn up and take me home.  But then I realised the terrible truth; that adopted children are wanted and chosen by their parents, and I was neither.  I had to belong, because I was not wanted.   :?

I totally agree October. I was not parented.

I never fantasized about being adopted. I know that is because of my abuse which involved staged kidnappings. Yet I always intuitively knew I looked different than the rest of my family. My Nmother validated that many times with her need to hide my traits which were different than hers, my Nfather's and my brothers.

There was also the odd (and I do mean odd) conversation between my Nmother, my Nfather and me where they would try to determine who I looked like on either side of their families. The conclusion was I looked like my Nmother but not much like anyone else.
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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2005, 01:23:07 AM »
Hi ITexperiment!
I get the impression that my post upset you, and I'm truly sorry if it did.

Anyhow, sorry we seemed to get off on the wrong foot, I've been gone for a while, but I think I remember you from when I was more active and you seem like a cool person. Take care and good luck in your research! :)

Hello Sleepyhead,
It kind of did.  And I accept your apologies.

My intuitive feelings have remained strong throughout all my years growing up and as an adult. Yet I never thought that anything could be genetic even though I saw actual differences with my brothers, father and mother.
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« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2005, 09:28:35 AM »
Hi ITex:

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Imagine having two brothers name their children the same name.

That is weird/strange/odd eh?  What a reminder!! :x :x

I suppose you could decide that they are just names and not let it have an effect on you???

Do you see your sibblings often or have you cut contact with them??

I'm so sorry that all this disgusting stuff happened to you, ITex and I'm glad you're writing your books.  (((((((ITex)))))).

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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2005, 09:45:14 AM »
My parents' eyes are brown and blue. They have five children: two brown, two hazel, and one blue. Who/what is dominant? just out of curiosity.

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Re: A Lefty in a Right-Handed World
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2005, 05:36:05 PM »
My son is left-handed.  Doesn't do anything with his right hand but work the computer mouse.  Both his father and I are right-handed, but have lefties on both sides.  My son is very bright, has ADHD, has been a singer and played piano for years and performed in all the musicals in high school, but is a pre-med in college and very strong in math and science.  His father has brown eyes, I have hazel which turn green, and my son has gray eyes like my xmil.

Interesting stuff.

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