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Inquiring Mind

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Self-Identity
« on: August 03, 2005, 07:37:16 PM »
Inquiring mind wants to know how do you define who you are as an individual.  In other words, who do you identify yourself as?  How would you describe yourself to a blind person in order for him to create an accurate mental image of who you?

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2005, 08:01:09 PM »
The best way to get people to share, is to start by sharing.  That way, people can gauge the emotional safety of sharing, and decide how (with your sharing as a model) what your mean, exactly.  How about it?

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2005, 07:37:51 AM »
Inquiring mind wants to know how do you define who you are as an individual.  In other words, who do you identify yourself as?  How would you describe yourself to a blind person in order for him to create an accurate mental image of who you?

There is no point trying to describe who you are (in your own perception) to anyone, blind or not.  They will not believe what you say, only what they see for themselves.

When defining yourself, the places to start are who you are in relation to others, and who you are when you are spending time with yourself, doing what you love best.  What you look like is pretty immaterial in relation to these things.


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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2005, 04:31:31 PM »
Inquiring mind wants to know how do you define who you are as an individual.  In other words, who do you identify yourself as?  How would you describe yourself to a blind person in order for him to create an accurate mental image of who you?
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So I am assuming that when said “inquiring mind wants to know” that  inquiring mind would be uh you…

Perhaps inquiring mind im might best say why im wants to know … or might it be more something else…such as revealing self and the process of self or something else?

If there were other desires than stated as to why im makes such a request, might it be helpful to be more precise about what is desired in the request….

Might there then be a better defintion of what your are desiring in your request  :wink:

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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2005, 04:34:46 PM »
Inquiring mind wants to know how do you define who you are as an individual.  In other words, who do you identify yourself as?  How would you describe yourself to a blind person in order for him to create an accurate mental image of who you?

So I am assuming that when said “inquiring mind wants to know” that  inquiring mind would be uh you…

Perhaps inquiring mind im might best say why im wants to know … or might it be more something else…such as revealing self and the process of self or something else?

If there were other desires than stated as to why im makes such a request, might it be helpful to be more precise about what is desired in the request….

Might there then be a better defintion of what your are desiring in your request 

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2005, 07:37:48 PM »
who do you identify yourself as?  
Human, alive. (This is serious. I don't even like male/female distinctions really.)

How would you describe yourself to a blind person in order for him to create an accurate mental image of who you?
I wouldn't because I don't know his frame of reference (what do people who are blind from birth dream of? What 'images' fill their dreams??? Anyone know?).

Okay I'd say: "Feel me and tell me what you 'see'." Then I'd try to see if I get any understanding of what they see. Or feel. Maybe we could compare our perceptions of each others bits. Could I talk in colour?

Inquiring mind, what defines who you are as an individual?

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2005, 12:20:51 AM »
A blind person? You mean someone who is physically blind or emotionally blind?
The former is irrelevant, the latter more telling.

Self-definition to me is three-fold: who I experience myself as being; then how other people see me...but the most important one: how I go on to meet up and form relationships.

Each is equally essential, but the last is where we reach out and experience the universe through each other.

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2005, 09:54:41 AM »
Marta,

You've beautifully described a process that I've never broken down into steps before. I totally relate to what you wrote. Thanks very much.

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2005, 10:37:37 AM »
If I was blind and I wanted you to know how I am, would I look scary because I look different
my eyes closed shut or they are moving around looking blind.
Sometimes I wear sunglasses that may not be the most current style.
I walk funny, without a cane I need guidance to travel, I may have a dog with me or a friend to help me.

I would wonder what you thought of me because I have never seen myself, I would be glad if you sat down
with me so I could get to know you.

You may be a kind person and wonder about the amazing clay animal with beautiful colors I created, being blind you would find me amazing.

You might like books and want to read the book I wrote, my book is  in braile the funny bumps
I can understand so I would need to translate this for you.

I may wonder what you look like and want to touch your face.

Ok....Tell the greatest truth about you ...........
Because you are blind I can count the seeds in an apple for you, but could not tell you how  many apples one of those seeds will produce.

I'm an apple seed and plan to have many apples to share, my fruit would be sweet, I like the green apples but I'm the not always my favorite kind of apple. I share my apples with the birds, the worms and when they fall to the ground they may rot and do nothing but waste away.

I would be angry sometimes when I don't get watered with love, because I want my fruit to be eaten.
my shape would be round with no sharp edges to hurt you and firm to let you know I could take the big bite of love, I would want you to have.  When you are done my core would have more seeds to give more fruit.

I think I will stop here ............ I would want the blind person to know, I respect them to have a deeper
meaning about people not supperficial, looking at what my heart would show.

I guess I would be intrested, be giving, I too have needs if I want to share who I am and want some understanding when I fall.

.............OR  

 




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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2005, 04:35:45 PM »
In my haste, I didn't go into detail with my inquiry. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, even though, it would have been more reasonable for me to answer my own question before requesting for yours.

I used to think that others are better than me.  But now, I realized that the only difference between me and those I know is the level of self-love they have for themselves.  Because of that, it sets them apart from me to a large degree.  Honestly, I'm at a lost to begin the process of self-love.  In many ways, its my identity crisis.  Would it make sense to you if I say I identify with my mistakes and failures, as oppose to having no need to identify my self-worth with my performance?  I think if I truly love myself, I wouldn't worry about getting the approvals from others.

Marta wrote:
To really understand the concept of boundaries is to understand that no one has the right to violate you. Then, you learn the process of setting boundaries. What works and what does not work, for you as well as for others. Anybody read Kafka? I bet most of us here have felt like that at sometime or another -- explaining explaining explaining away to defend ourselves to our invisible executioners against unidentified crimes. 

Finally you learn to stop manipulating others yourself.  That is such a beautiful breakthrough; it transports you into another world of sunshine and waterlilies. You just take in the world and learn to love it. You fall in love. Truly. For the first time really 

Marta, what you said about the process of setting boundaries makes a lot of sense to me. Learning to fall in love with self would change the world for me.  I think only then can I be "transported into another world of sunshine and waterlilies", having clarity and energy in living, even in the rain.

I could go on and on.

Please do!

But this is how I have experienced my process of unfolding.

Do you feel your experience of the process of unfolding is universal?

OR, your posting captures the beauty of one of my favorite children's books, called, "The Giving Tree".  I can't think of the author at the moment, perhaps you know which book I'm talking about.  It is such a beautiful apple tree.



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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2005, 05:47:42 PM »
Inquiring Mind,

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Would it make sense to you if I say I identify with my mistakes and failures, as oppose to having no need to identify my self-worth with my performance?

Yes, indeed.  Being raised by n parents can certainly do that to you.  I don't know that I would describe it as having no need to identify my self-worth with my performance, but more that I had no ability to do so.  Finding my self is the journey I am on currently and it is going to be a long and interesting one.

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one of my favorite children's books, called, "The Giving Tree".  I can't think of the author at the moment,

One of my favorites too--Shel Silverstein is the author.

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2005, 08:30:01 PM »
Shel Silverstein is the author.

That's it!  Thanks Brigid. :)

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2005, 10:41:51 AM »
I will look up that book "The Giving tree" I have never read it, I don't know why I even wrote what I did.
I may have been confused about what the poster was looking for with the blind person and all.
I guess compared to Marta my writing belongs in the children's section. Oh well!

Marta, you should go on and on, please!


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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2005, 11:41:37 AM »
I used to think that others are better than me.  But now, I realized that the only difference between me and those I know is the level of self-love they have for themselves.  Because of that, it sets them apart from me to a large degree.  Honestly, I'm at a lost to begin the process of self-love.  In many ways, its my identity crisis.  Would it make sense to you if I say I identify with my mistakes and failures, as oppose to having no need to identify my self-worth with my performance?  I think if I truly love myself, I wouldn't worry about getting the approvals from others.


Self love is a bit overwhelming. I started by learning about myself. What do I like? What do I dislike? What are my passions? What are my talents? What is so interesting to me that I totally lose track of time doing it?

When I get to know myself, I get more confident about what I will/won't tolerate. Confidence leads me to demand respect and not put up with crap. Then I like myself better. I'm not always getting angry with myself for catering to others. It's a positive feedback loop. And it all starts with knowing myself as a person.

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Re: Self-Identity
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2005, 01:00:46 PM »
MARTA WROTE:
They would generally protect themselves or walk away when they sensed bad intentions; we would plead, cajole, argue with our perpetrator, even trust him. 

The latter is so true of me, especially the trusting part.  I find it so easy to trust someone who gives me approval.  But, at some point I always end up getting burn.  I guess I continue this viscioius cycle b/c it feels good to recieve acceptance and approval from anyone.

I think you will find a lot of comfort and comraderie by talking to us, perhaps even some food for thought, but not much help in way of finding a direction, an opening, if you will.

I believe I know what you are driving at, and I see a lot of truth in what you said.  You are right, there is no one in the world who can play the role of the healer or take on our process of "unfolding".  It is a process each of us must own and discover for ourselves.  One thing I learn is the process of unfolding begins with learning to trust oneself.  Yes, I agree, this is a journey that doesn't need to be travelled alone.  But, it is the door that needs to be opened and stepped into on my own initiative and will.

Both connected me to my body, and there is so much wisdom in our bodies.

I totally agree that there is so much wisdom in our bodies.  Now, begins the process of trusting and being honest with myself, learning to listen to my body, so I can begin to hear its faint small voice.

Of course, since our personality is so moulded that we are constantly worried about pleasing others, then you cannot build a genuine relationship with them, so it is a vicious circle. 

So very true.

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I will look up that book "The Giving tree" I have never read it, I don't know why I even wrote what I did.

I think you will find the book to be a delight to read.  I'm glad you wrote what you did.  Your post gave us a glimpse of your values in life.  You have a beautiful heart.  And it was a blessing to read about it.  I thought what you wrote was poetic and beautiful.

I may have been confused about what the poster was looking for with the blind person and all.
Sorry for not being clearer with my inquiry.

I guess compared to Marta my writing belongs in the children's section.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.  But if you said what I think you mean, then I think I know what you mean.  Geesh!  Now, I'm confusing myself.  Anyway, I think each of us who contribute to this board as being the individual keys on a keyboard.  Some of us may see other members as being the "T" or the "E" key.  They are significant keys, used very frequent in forming sentences.  And some of us may feel we are the "Q" or the "X" key.  They don't appear to be as significant as the more common letters b/c they are infrequently used.  But try typing a paper without all the letters in the alphabet.  Did you ever have the experience of typing a letter with a few keys missing on a keyboard?    I guess for me, it helps to think that my thoughts are significant and valuable, no matter how insignificant they appear to be.  I'm just rambling and reminding myself of my important place on this "keyboard".  I wonder what key you identify yourself on a keyboard. :roll:

Sorry, OR.  If my rambling has nothing to do with your statement.  Probably, it doesn't.  What you said made me think of something else.

BUNNY WROTE:
Self love is a bit overwhelming. I started by learning about myself. What do I like? What do I dislike? What are my passions? What are my talents? What is so interesting to me that I totally lose track of time doing it?

I agree.  One of the places to start is with self-understanding.