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Abandonment - I made my N-husband leave
« on: August 13, 2005, 01:17:19 PM »
Hello,

My therapist is on vacation for 3 weeks!  I've got one more week to go until my next appt.  He was concerned about checking out on me and I said that I'd join some chat groups.  I feel so alone in dealing with my N-husband.  If you haven't dealt with one or know what it means, specifically NPD or cerebral narcissism, family and friends cannot relate to your agony.  NPD is sick and abusive.  I've been in so much denial.   It took me months of research and reading for it to finally sink in and accept that my husband truly suffers from the narcissistic personality disorder, not just traits and unhealthy actions.   Some of the criteria fits him like a glove:

Grandiose fantasies
Uniquness
Self-absorbed
Superior/smart/hauty/know it all
Seeks constant adulation/attention
Envious of others
Interpersonally exploitative
Devoid of empathy
Rages when frustrated, confronted or contradicted

We've been married for 2 years and dated (engaged) for 1.5 years prior.  Yes, there were warning signals and I thought I was so mature and could deal with his tactics.  He is the classic Dr. Jekel and Mr. Hyde.  I used to feel sorry for him and think I could help him heal, after all, it's not his fault his parents were total narcissists (father sexually abused his sister for 12 yrs. and mother is the overbearing, nagging, judgment, critical, emotional roller coaster, unpredictable, immature, little girl that never grew up).

My husband is highly regarded, and adored by his friends.  He's successful (weathly) and very smart.  He puts on a grand facade, but only I get to see the weakness and vulnerability in him.   He's a master at projection.

Long story short:  There is always constant pressure from him in our lives.  I cannot do enough, say the right thing, behave properly.   I'm constant judged - on trial, criticized and raged at over simple miscontrued remarks or actions.  Walking on eggshells - he's a loaded gun.  He lies, distorts the truth, hides, evades, unclear, confusion and uncertainty are his tactics to keep me under his control.  There is no stability or foundation, no support or empathy.  I was idealized, devalued and discarded.

At 42, we were trying to have a baby, in addition to the other stress in our lives and all of the above behaviours mixed in.   Just trying to get pregnant was a control issue for him because he never trusted me to be competent about anything.  Like knowing my own body and what is healthy.  I can honestly say he was never supportive or gave me any credit for being a smart, intelligent person able to make sound choices and use good judgment.  He claims he took a big risk marrying me at 42 and trying to start a family - gee thanks. 

When it came time to go to the fertility clinic and "produce" a child, that his when he freaked out and backed out on me.   Said he didn't want a baby with me after 1.5 years of trying, with the thermometer in the mouth every day at 6AM, charting, we actually conceived and I had a miscarriage at 8 weeks.  He said our marriage is too rocky and we fight to much.  He controlled this situation and chose to really hurt me. The timing isn't right and he needs to think about his future.   I was shocked and devastated.  He surprised me with a proposal of marriage and wanted to have kids.   I was flattered and in love with him in the beginning and rejoyced at the opportunity to have a child.

Well, after your husband tells you he doesn't want your children how could I look him in the face again?  How can you sit in public and watch the world spin by you with families, babies, human existence and know that your husband is using his fears to control your chances of bringing a child into the world?   I knew he would get rid of me after that.  It was inevitable that divorce was his next step.

What is very strange is that he actually did act empathetic that he took this away from me.  I was suffering - close to a total breakdown.  I was ready to leave him and thought, no way.   In the past 3.5 years that we've been together, we have moved 4 times before we settled into a home of our own.   We've been in our house for 6 months and the thought of leaving/moving to apt. w/commitments/leases and uncertainty just made me more depressed.

For 6 weeks we danced around the "process" of dealing with his decision, along with the rejection and abandonment that I felt emotionally and physically.  I actually thought maybe I could live with a decision to not have kids, but he said he really wanted them  (just not with me). He needs to look out for his future.

I made him sleep downstairs and a week later he said he wanted a divorce.  I said fine.  How can I live with this man after all his abuse.  My condition was that he move out.  If he wants out of the marriage, he needs to leave and I'm not leaving the house until the divorce is over, done, final and I have a check in my hand.   There could be a lot of money involved.   It was a short marriage, but my husband has no debt and $$$$$. 

In all my readings is says to leave the narcissist and don't look back.  To cut ties, communication and walk way.   Instead, I made him leave me and this was powerful in that it forces him to be alone with his "self".  I took his facade way.  We live in a beautiful home on the water worth millions.  I'll be !@@#&* if I am giving this up after all I've been through so he can enjoy it while I suffer in a crummy apt.   He is very miserable.    After 4 weeks of staying in the guest house on our property, he finally got an apt. and moved in a mattress and his clothes. 

The last 2 years have been intolerable, but this summer has been hell.   Funny, that the narcissist will truly kick you when you are down.   While all of this was going on, I sprained my ankle badly and was in a lot of pain and discomfort.   It took 6 weeks before I could walk without pain.   He has no empathy.  Instead of trying to help me out and be supportive, he went out to dinner with his friends, went on bike riding trips, and worked.

My husband emotionally abandoned me 1.5 years ago when he started his own start up company.  That is his supply (drug) now.  He gets his attention/adoration from his growing company.  He's a god to them and it promotes his grandiose fantasies of making millions of dollars in the internet world.  Yes, he's a cerebral narcissist.  A computer guru, data addict and works (inefficiently by the way) 7 days a week until 10PM at night, sometimes later.    He's neglected our marriage, time spent together and basically abandoned me.  I've been so lonely and very much alone.

All the money, beautiful home, and a second home to boot in the mountains, a beautiful wife, adoring, entertaining, athletic, what more could he want?    Nothing makes him happy because he is so miserable inside.  He's walked away from it all.

He's going to counseling, but I don't think that will last long.   I'm convinced that his narcissism will control his life forever and he'll never change or modify his behavior.

I've learned that part of the healing process is going over the trauma in your head to understand it all and accept what actually happened.   I was in denial for 3.5 years.  I'm so tired of talking about it and my family and friends are tired of listening to it, but it's part of my healing process.  I figured I'd talk with people like you who have experienced it and validate my pain and agony.

I feel so much stronger now.  I lost myself and all my self-esteem and strength.  It's time to grow again and mature in healthy ways.  Being with my N has been a spiral dive to hell.

I've noticed that a lot of people here are dealing with N-parents.  That must be awful to have your authority figure as an N.  I just wanted a mutual partner, friend, lover, husband, father to my kids.  I never in my life thought I'd be in this situation.  I never thought that he'd actually leave this house and want a divorce.   Whoops - there's the denial again.

It's been tough but I do feel stronger and know that I need to let him go.  Several days ago, was our 2 year wedding anniversary.   He actually wanted to see me and acknowledge the special day.  I put on a happy face, smiled and greeted him with open arms.  It all backfired.  He didn't like that.  My behavior did not suit him and I was judged, criticised, condemed for putting on a smile and not acting miserable, sad, depressed over our problems like him.  He raged and he left in the middle of dinner.   I was so stupid to be set up again.  It's the same old drama.  He doesn't accept my behavior, tries to control it by judging and criticizing me, rages when I explain myself, then floods with blame, it's all my fault, fight and flight, gets in the last word - screaming at me, and then leaves - abandonment.    I can't tell you how many times I've experienced this scenario.  He has to destroy, destruct and negate everything.  It was our anniversary.  Yes, a little denial on my part, but I honestly had no plans to reconcile.  I thought we could start acting like friends, adults.  I didn't rage back.  I didn't fight back.  I just sat and stared at the lake without looking at him while he raged at me.  He actually left twice, like raging at me once and threatening to leave wasn't enough.  I ignored him, did not engage and he came back the second time.   He actually said he was sorry that he could not make me happy.  I stared off and said nothing.

I guess he's always going to react this way.  I don't see it changing.  He's a child.  His N is pathological.  It's in his genes.  Thank god, we didn't bring a child into the world with him as a N father.

What I don't look forward to is divorcing the narcissist. He puts on an act like he can be reasonable and we can do this without lawyers and courts, but he's very stingy about his wealth (financial control) and I don't think we'll ever be on the same page with a settlement.

I'm not going to worry about that for now.  The divorce will come much later no doubt.  I'm just going to focus on healing, getting stronger and learning to deal with his N behavior so I don't feel like a mack truck just hit me. 


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Re: Abandonment - I made my N-husband leave
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2005, 02:42:29 PM »
Marta,

Thanks, for the warning.  You are right.   This is just the beginning of discovering what he is really is and what he is capable of.  This is his first marriage and will be his first divorce.  I'm worried he might start stalking me now that I drove him out of his own home, which he owned prior to me.

He's a sneaky one.  Almost like stealth abuse.  He tries to control his actions so he doesn't appear to be such a nutcase and do the right thing.

I think he's actually worried that I might be spending time/seeing someone else.  He cares but acts like he doesn't.   The same old guessing game.

I can't fool myself into thinking this is just a "separation".   I don't see any reconciliation with a full fledge NPD.

I am afraid that me filing for divorce will enrage him.  I could go after his business and really put him through the grinder.  I want what is fair by law and not to destroy him.   I think I'll let the dust settle. We still have a joint bank account and I've become dependent on that income to pay for the house expenses.

Yes, I know, I'm playing a risky game here.   What's driving me crazy is waiting to see what's going to happen next.   I should expect more of the ignore/silent treatment.

It's been so hard to be around friends.  To admit the failure and that my husband does not want a baby with me.   I feel like a heavy burden to my friends.  I don't want to be around anybody, yet I feel so alone. I don't want to start another relationship because I feel too vulnerable and confused.  I still wear my wedding ring to work because I don't want to deal with the embarassment of failure.  Only 2 years into our marriage.   Everyone knew I was trying to have a baby.  It's obvious I'm not pregnant - I'm sure people are figuring this out.   I don't exactly look happy.

Some of my friends have disappeared on me.   Having to experience my pain is too much for them, let alone deal with their problems.    My Mom and sister have been my strength.  And now, my counselor will help me deal with this. 

It's like a slow death.  A terminal illness with so much idleness and time to pass by.

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Re: Abandonment - I made my N-husband leave
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2005, 05:27:09 PM »
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If he wants out of the marriage, he needs to leave and I'm not leaving the house until the divorce is over, done, final and I have a check in my hand.   There could be a lot of money involved.   It was a short marriage, but my husband has no debt and $$$$$. 

In all my readings is says to leave the narcissist and don't look back.  To cut ties, communication and walk way.   Instead, I made him leave me and this was powerful in that it forces him to be alone with his "self".  I took his facade way.  We live in a beautiful home on the water worth millions.  I'll be !@@#&* if I am giving this up after all I've been through so he can enjoy it while I suffer in a crummy apt.

I am very sorry for your pain, particularly regarding conception and having children.  But I am going to say something that you will not like.  You may wish to stop reading now, but at the very least, consider yourself warned.

What makes you think this man owes you a great deal of money?  You do not have children, so he does not need to support them.  You have only been married two years, so it seems unlikely that either he seriously damaged your career or that you contributed substantial support while he built his.  At most, I would think you are legally entitled to half of the proceeds from the sale of your house.  Otherwise, it seems to me that you would have a very good lawyer indeed.

Here's my point:  You need to disengage from both the man and the lifestyle connected with the man.  If he's really that harmful to you, then you need to put more distance between you and him than the path between the main house and the guest house.  I don't know whether you work or whether you have any money at your disposal if you don't.  But it seems to me that the only way you can really help yourself is to take the emotional high road--that is, to say that you no longer need him, his house, or his money.  And live by those words.  If you don't, aren't you valuing the house higher than you value yourself?

I am not trying to be mean here.  I'm saying that if you work, support yourself on your salary while this ugliness gets sorted out.  If you don't, perhaps there are assets in your name that you can realize or borrow against.  The worst case might be that you move in with friends or family for a while.  But I can't believe that anything--even, as you say, a crummy apartment--wouldn't be better than sitting in that house nursing your bitterness.

I am not picking on you because there's money involved.  I am saying that your mental and physical health, your sense of control over your destiny, and other, healthier relationships are more important than this dance you are doing with a man who no longer wishes to be your husband.  Be glad this divorce can be relatively simple and that you haven't wasted more years on the relationship.  And resolve to move on without looking back.

I wish you well.

daylily

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Re: Abandonment - I made my N-husband leave
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2005, 05:45:12 PM »
Thanks, Daylily.

I needed that dose of reality.  No harm done.  I appreciate the advice.

I was following my mother's advice.   Don't the leave the home.  If they want out, make him go.

I have a job and my own money and I'm not dependent on his income.

You are right about "his" lifestyle, but it's also been mine for the pastd 3.5 years and you start to enjoy it.   How can you not?  I can still enjoy it while I can.

This is all part of the process and I'll take your words to heart.

I've moved over 25 times in my life.  Does that say something?   All in my adult years.  Talk about instability!   The though tof moving again for the 5th time in 3.5 years, is like a prison sentence for me.

I'm not worried about the money.  I can manage this lifestyle.  I would just rather he pay for it.  Or continue to split 50/50 like we are doing now. 

I hate this process.  What a test.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2005, 05:58:12 PM »
Beautiful,
If I were you, I would not make any assumptions about what you will receive from the marriage without consulting a very good attorney.  It is unlikely that you will walk away with much from a 2-year marriage and no children.  From the description you give of your h, he is not likely to be generous, honest, or reasonable during the divorce process.  I would definitely NOT allow him a mediation or collaborative divorce option.  You will absolutely be screwed in the process--especially if he is self-employed.  You need your own attorney who will do some good negotiating for you.  I recently (May 17th) finished a 17-month divorce process from a 23-year marriage and 2 children.  Thankfully, I hired the best divorce attorney in town and got a good settlement, but I earned it with having put in so many years. 

I'm sure it is hard to walk away from such a lifestyle, but it is your best hope of having a happy future.  There is no hope of that with him.  Be very grateful that you do not share children with this man and you can break away cleanly.  Best of luck.

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Re: Abandonment - I made my N-husband leave
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2005, 10:32:11 PM »
Marta,

Thanks, for the rescue.

I don't agree with nursing my bittnerness, as being beautifully put.

In two years married, and 3.5 years with my N, I had hopes and dreams and put my heart and sole into this marriage while trying to have a child in my early forties.   Whether it is two years or twenty, I gave it my all.

I think the most important thing we can do is stand up to the narcissist.  I'm not going to be bullied around.   i will enjoy this lifestyle, as long as I can because it has a become part of my life, my house, my yard, my sanctuary.

When it's all over, said and one, then a new life will begin.  I'm already looking into that.   I know this is only temporary, but I do know that it will take some time.    My N doesn't enjoy living here.  I do.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2005, 11:06:37 PM »
Dear Marta,

Just to be clear, I never intended to imply that a two-year marriage to an abusive person would not be very harmful.  My point was simply that two years is not long enough to seriously affect one spouse's career or ability to have a career.  I was not trying to say anything about the overall relationship.

Thanks.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2005, 07:49:00 AM »
This guys sounds so much like my ex in the original post I felt like puking.  All the mixed messages and promises that he laters turns against you.  Yuck!!  I really feel for you.  I disagree with Daylilly.  Two years away from your career is long enough to damage it.  I also agree you should not move out and hold his feet to the fire, financially.  He broke his vow to you and that is worth something.

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2005, 10:36:40 AM »
 Be glad this divorce can be relatively simple and that you haven't wasted more years on the relationship.  And resolve to move on without looking back.

Day LiIly...Amen to that!

I think the most important thing we can do is stand up to the narcissist.  I'm not going to be bullied around.   i will enjoy this lifestyle, as long as I can because it has a become part of my life, my house, my yard, my sanctuary.


I had the same attitude when I started my divorce two years ago.  I have since revised my goals.  :lol:  This man is fully capable of "bullying" you by doing absolutely nothing.  Ask me how I know!  A divorce is just a legal vehicle to extricate both of you from a marriage.  There is little emotion involved between the attorneys and the Judge unless one of you forces them to enter it into the proceedings.  The emotional stuff will slow the process down to a crawl, leave you in limbo, and the emotions will develop a life of their own making you more miserable by prolonging the agony.   Since there seem to be significant assets involved, I strongly suggest you hire an excellent attorney now so the paper trail of the money can begin.  I think I could have been more helpful in my divorce if I had not been so emotional at first.  I was so unglued I couldn't even tell her where the bank accounts were.  My brain had gone completely dead.  My husband is playing this divorce for all it's worth not because I am being unreasonable.  He just hates me   :shock:  And the more assets involved in a divorce, the harder it becomes.

OK, enough about legal stuff.  One thing I also had to be reminded of is that at the same time I am divorcing, my kids are leaving home, I don't have a job and would desperately like something to do that gives me some self-esteem, I anguish over what might have been, and what the hell am I going to do for the next 20-30 years!  So there's a lot on the plate and when I seperate it out, the divorce is just one part and actually the most positive part of where I am now.   And by the way, your husband sounds like a jerk.

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2005, 10:46:20 AM »
Beautiful....Just a PS....Everything you described about your marriage touched me.  It is very painful and your husband is very disturbed.  I also feel like I am burdening my friends and spend too much time alone.  There are a great many similaraties between your situation and mine.  I admire your courage to stand up to this guy.  You still have spirit and that is wonderful.  My spirit wavered but is back again.  Take care

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Re: Abandonment - I made my N-husband leave
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2005, 01:39:20 PM »
Dogbit,

I like that quote, "I didn't create the monster.  I only rattled the cage."

I will get the best lawyer.  That will be my next project.  To educate myself on what I'm entitled to.  I think he'll procrastinate on filing for divorce.  I should be one step ahead on this one.  I know we both want to settle amicably w/out courts and huge battle, but we don't agree on anything if I don't cave to his side. 

I do feel for you, even thought I'm not a mother, you are losing children and husand all at once.  At least it seems that way for now.  Your kids will always be there and keep coming back to you like beacon.   The job and self-esteem is tough.     I once had to start over from scratch, actually several times in my adulthood.  Sometimes you just swallow a big piece of humble pie and take what's offered to you to get going, as long as you know it will be OK.  I was so depressed my counselor encouraged me to take Zoloft to lift me to a higher plane to get out of my rut.  It helped me then, if you can get past the first week of sickness from anti-depressants.  in this case, my father recently passed away and I ended a relationship - double whammy of grief.

I know it's hard to think about reinventing yourself, as an adult.   I suggest start doing things that make you happy whether it's exercise, going to musical performances, bookstores, sign up for a class.  I know you've heard all this before and I know it's not easy to do it alone.  You will meet new people in your life and make new friends, reaquaint old ones and learn to build friendships again.

What's really important is to remember to invest in your future.   Whatever settlement you receive be sure to set aside something for retirement that grows.



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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2005, 09:48:28 PM »
Beautiful.
Like many people who have responded to your post, I too, relate very strongly to what you are going through.  I also thought you could have been talking about my ex. 

There have been a lot of good points made here.  You are very fortunate to NOT have kids with this man.  Those of us who do share children with an N, can attest fully to the way the N's USE the children as a tool to punish us. Or I should say, they exploit our love for our children to punish us (and many times in the process, punishing their own flesh and blood).

Getting a lawyer is the next (and hurry it up) step. I say this not because I think you should be excited about entering into a court battle, but because you need information.  I can tell you this: after several years of litigation, the only people who end up better off, are the lawyers.  If I did not have children with my ex, I would have run as fast as I could in the other direction and not looked back.  Screw the money, it comes at too high a price....my peace of mind. But you will have to decide yourself what to do, based on solid legal advice. Get some.

You do sound like you have a handle on what is going on.  Keep your grip. Don't for a second question your sanity, or your part in the crazy making. He sounds like a very messed up human with far too much pain for a mere mortal woman to heal. You are lucky (all though you may not feel it right now) to be done with him.

And listen, when people tell you about DIVORCE. It means to really get OUT of the relationship. Can this be done if you fight with someone? I think not (and I speak with LOTS of experience here).  N's will fight because they LOVE to fight. And if they can upset you (don't you know this from the last few years?) it makes thier day, thier life.  So a battle to the death over property can keep you very very connected to this man, even as you try to escape.

This is your life. Make sure you get good information and make a choice with that information that while still protecting you with the basic material needs, insures that you can really and truly DIVORCE from this man and his negative energy as soon as possible. But you will decide, and it will all be good for you in the long run, really. Tough stuff helps us grow (but, man, those little warnings and support can help too).

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Re: Abandonment - I made my N-husband leave
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2005, 11:29:22 PM »
Mum,


Said like a real Mom.    Why should I wait?   Let's be done and over.

Thanks for the words of encouragement.  I will get an attorney.