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Playing the clarinet
« on: August 26, 2005, 04:41:16 PM »
My Nmother wanted me to play piano and I didn’t. I finally convinced her, by doing poorly with the piano, that I wasn’t interested in it. I wanted to play the clarinet. She relinquished and got me a student model clarinet. I was 8 1/2.

During my teen years I wasn’t allowed to play my clarinet outside my room if I was not perfect. My Nmother could not stand hearing any wrong notes, out of tune sounds, etc. However my two younger brothers could play their instruments any where they pleased. If they made mistakes or were out of tune my Nmother didn’t care.

My Nmother would brag to other people in our neighborhood, parents in the PTA, etc. about how disciplined I was and how much I loved playing the clarinet. She would brag about how she taught me to play the clarinet and that is why I was so good and practiced so much. In truth I taught myself to play with very little help from her. I used to play my clarinet for hours in my room, not because I was disciplined, but to escape her, my Nfather and Nbrother.

When my student model clarinet wouldn't work any more I needed something better. Despite her bragging about how disciplined I was and loved to play the clarinet, she gave me fifth degree when I asked for a better model clarinet. Would I continue playing? Would I practice? Was I serious? However when my brothers needed an instrument she spared no expense.

I never understood this vast difference in treatment which was repeated again and again with my other interests. Only now after finding this board, reading and my t showing me my Nmother is really a N and further dsordered do I understand. I remember hearing years ago, that understanding is the booby prize. I am beginning to see why that is true. Understanding why doesn't make the pain go away. Understanding why doesn't help me reconcile my past. It only explains why she could do these things to me without any remorse, any empathy or any emotion whatsoever. The truth I am left with is my family was a crazy, disordered environment which didn't support my emotional growth or well being and where all my brothers were encouraged and supported (some more than others) to grow and express themselves. :x :cry:
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Re: Playing the clarinet
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2005, 07:49:46 PM »
Hi Sallying:

Ya know, I've always known in my heart that showing favoritism to one child over another is wrong and hurtful....but when I read and hear your pain I feel like an idiot for not having been able to voice how wrong and how hurtful exactly.  I'm so sorry that your mother did all of those (and more I spose) hurtful things to you over and over again.

I have no idea what to say to you to help ease that hurt except to say that I feel for you and for that little girl who tried so hard to be herself and was punished for trying/belittled/embarassed by sick bragging and devalued/insulted/banished to her room for not being perfect.

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2005, 08:17:48 PM »
Hello SF,

I agree with Sela and just want to sit with your younger self, put my arm around her and then give a good listen to her music!

Your post triggered a memory for me, one I had pushed far away: my mother and I had some unspoken, unconscious (to me) battle about clothes.  She wanted to dress me a particular way (not in fashion by any means).  We're talking PLAID and plenty of it.  Wool in warm climes.  She would not buy me clothes other girls wore.  I rebelled by insisting on pants, not skirts (wanting to be a favored boy anyway).  She responded by letting me outgrow them and not replacing them, so I went through my preteen years with them flapping around the tops of my socks.   :shock:  Yes, I was THAT kid.  Wanna sit with me at recess?   :(  When I found the gumption to say anything about it, she would reply "you don't want them (the pants) dragging on the ground, do you?"  Add the fact that her little man would complain bitterly that  I was spoiled because I was bought special clothes just because I was a girl.  :shock:  Trade ya, buddy!

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Re: Playing the clarinet
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2005, 02:16:07 AM »
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I remember hearing years ago, that understanding is the booby prize. I am beginning to see why that is true. Understanding why doesn't make the pain go away. Understanding why doesn't help me reconcile my past. It only explains why she could do these things to me without any remorse, any empathy or any emotion whatsoever. The truth I am left with is my family was a crazy, disordered environment which didn't support my emotional growth or well being

Oh Sallying,
It's good you had your music as a friend.  So did I.  And I had to fight to get it, just as you did.  Too bad your N mom did not appreciate your talent and hard work...and they say music tames the wild beast!  Guess it doesn't work in every case.

But about the above.....understanding does not immediately make the pain go away.    In itself it does not reconcile the past.  But it does lay the foundation.  There is still work to be done.  But I can tell you that NOT understanding will keep you from moving on.  Your mind wants an explanation, especially your child mind which is the basis for your adult mind.  And it will come up with answers, such as, 'there is something wrong with me' or 'I am not lovable' or 'I have to work harder' or 'I should have been a boy' or 'I don't deserve,..whatever' so having an explanation is in fact a good thing.  It keeps you from coming with up the erroneous ways of explaining the unfathomable.  Or rather, it gives you a way to reject those explanations when they overrun your logic and good sense.

Your mother probably was treated much the same by someone as she treated you.  If you know any of your family history, you might see this pattern. For me, knowing that helped because I then knew that she had not invented the particular craziness just for me.  She was just passing it on, when she should not have.  She was too weak or hurt to heal herself, and instead just passed the illness along.  But I don't have to do the same.  Now that I understand.
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Re: Playing the clarinet
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2005, 06:28:37 AM »
Your mother probably was treated much the same by someone as she treated you.  If you know any of your family history, you might see this pattern. For me, knowing that helped because I then knew that she had not invented the particular craziness just for me.  She was just passing it on, when she should not have.  She was too weak or hurt to heal herself, and instead just passed the illness along.  But I don't have to do the same.  Now that I understand.
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My t believes my Nmother's mother was disordered also but not N and OCPD. From what I've described that my Nmother mentioned about her mother my t thinks possibly BPD and Bi-Polar for starters and maybe more. She was an emotional rollercoaster and living with her was horrible. My Nmother hid in the woods near their home refusing to go home until her father came home from work. That is the only time things somewhat calmed down (I'm guessing that he took charge?). My grandfather was a very authoritative SOB. I remember him intimidating a small child one time just to make her cry. He wanted to control her and that he did. His demeanor terrified me. Her brother and sister weren't as smart and received the full blast of their mother's wicked, abusive onslaught.

My t surmises my Nmother lived in a family where she had to be perfect or "get it."

My Nmother told me some stories about her mother giving her brother unwanted enemas, dressing him in girl's clothes, forcing him to act like a girl in whatever he did, etc. Maybe she was a perp or sociopath too? She was extremely abusive and ritualistic. :twisted: Whatever she did, it was too much for my uncle to handle and he eventually killed his mother. :evil: No doubt he was disorderd too - he was declared criminally insane.

Yeppers, my Nmother's got a history. I wish I knew more. I wish she'd share more and then I'd understand what she did to me more. And where she's coming from and what makes her tick.
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Re: Playing the clarinet
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2005, 01:57:57 AM »
Hi Sallying, Whatever the diagnosis, your grandmother was a very twisted and sadistic person. Your mother probably hated and feared her. I would say refusal to come home until your grandfather got there was a pretty good clue. As harsh as your grandfather was, he probably felt much safer to your mother.

With a background like that, and the total inability as a narcissist to examine her behavior, your mother would favor and not be bothered by your two younger brothers, the children of the same sex as your "safer" and more stable grandfather. It's totally unfair, it's totally wrong, what happened to you. Ideally, your mother would have examined her favoritism and realized that it stemmed from a very frightening childhood and worked to change it. Ideally, she would have owned the damage she did to you. However, in the kind of families we here on this board came from, that kind of healthy stuff just didn't happen. In fact, you were the scapegoat and were blamed for causing her to be that way to you. Had you been a male (not surprising so many of us wanted to be boys), she would have treated you differently. I am so sorry. I know how much it hurts and how wrong your mother was to treat you that way. Of course it occurred in probably every issue that came up, time after time.

Sometimes it can be something as crazy as bearing a family resemblance to a parent that your parents hated. In your case, I think it has to do with gender.

A similar dynamic occurred in my family.

My mother was unwanted. Her mother let her know that every day of her life. She was cruel and rejecting. Her father was good to her, but ineffective. Mom also had two older brothers who were good to her and an oldest sister that she hated and who was cruel.

My father grew up as the only child in a home with a cold, non-nurturing mother and a warm, happy go lucky but often absent father.

I was born into the family as the only girl and the older one. I had one brother, three years younger. Who do you think got favored in our family? My brother got everything he wanted and to this day does not feel that our parents were abusive. I, on the other hand, was constantly criticized and deprived. My father hit me and beat me. I was constantly blamed and was told that I didn't deserve anything, even shoes that fit. (I have the most f****d up feet you will ever see because my size 9s were crammed into my mother's used size 6s and 7s.) I got nothing I asked for, no dance lessons, no music lessons, no sailing lessons, no decent clothes, and barely any toys or books. If I asked for anything, I would receive a diatribe about how I didn't deserve it.  My brother had sailing lessons and my parents even bought him a boat. He wasn't interested in music or dance, but whatever he wanted, he got. I was even told that the family dogs didn't love me. I remember saying to myself over and over again as a child,"I wish I had never been born." Doesn't take a genius to figure out where that message had been coming from. 

For a long time I tried to figure it out to see if there was anything about me that I could have changed to stop the abuse and the neglect. I was told that I was a difficult child and "unbearable" to be around. As an adult, I never could understand that because by nature I am a sunny and happy personality, which is pretty amazing.   

When I did the simple genealogy and saw the relationships, the people who were considered "bad" by my parents, I understood. They both hated women. Being N's, they just moved the abuse on down the line to the nearest female, who just happened to be me. My misfortune was to have been born with a vagina instead of a penis.

Once I understood that unless I had become the world's youngest and first transexual (and that probably wouldn't have been good enough...lol), the quality of my childhood was foreordained the day I entered this world. My parents never really saw me for who I was...they saw me as the embodiment of all the "bad" women who had made their childhoods' miserable.

I have nothing to do with my brother. He is an N who took part in the humiliation and the abuse. He has never "gotten it" and never will. He loathes me as much as my parents did. He didn't exactly nurture his daughter either.

Am I angry about what happened to me? Yes. The anger is much better than the depression and the deep belief that I was somehow flawed that I had prior to therapy. Do I think about my childhood very much? No. The present, while not perfect, is beautiful...and it's all I've got. 
 
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Re: Playing the clarinet
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2005, 04:16:26 AM »
Sometimes it can be something as crazy as bearing a family resemblance to a parent that your parents hated. In your case, I think it has to do with gender.

It was that and much more. I bare resemblence to my bioNfather which is not the father I always knew. My mother had an affair just like her father did while married to his abusive, crazy and wicked wife. The sins of the father ... repeated in my mother's life. And my mother hated her mother. 

And there was more ... here's my story: 
http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3/index.php?topic=1673.0


Thank you for your story and insight. It gives me a lot to think about.

My father used to say that I walked around like I had a chip on my shoulder. However I am a very positive, cheerful person as an adult. It was the environment within my family not me that was negative.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2005, 07:06:53 AM »
Sometimes it can be something as crazy as bearing a family resemblance to a parent that your parents hated. In your case, I think it has to do with gender.

It was that and much more. I bare resemblence to my bioNfather which is not the father I always knew. My mother had an affair just like her father did while married to his abusive, crazy and wicked wife. The sins of the father ... repeated in my mother's life. And my mother hated her mother. 

And there was more ... here's my story: 
http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3/index.php?topic=1673.0


Thank you for your story and insight. It gives me a lot to think about.

My father used to say that I walked around like I had a chip on my shoulder. However I am a very positive, cheerful person as an adult. It was the environment within my family not me that was negative.

After reading your story, which is utterly terrifying,  I am amazed that you survived.  I can hardly wait until you get those books out. out.

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Re: Playing the clarinet
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2005, 10:47:20 PM »
Hello Amethyst and SF,

I too bear a resemblance to the parent my Ndad resented most in both facial features and gender.  His mother dearest.  She was a perfectionist.  She didn't like men because of her incredibly insane father (renowned around town for his fiery temper and alcoholism). She had two sons and promptly sent them to boarding school.  She "spoiled" by doing their laundry and cooking for them and telling them how special they were all the while not having to raise them herself.  My grandfather was very resentful of women esp his sister.  My Ndad grew up around other boys who just didn't know how to behave around women.  They are aliens.  My mother didn't like her MIL and I was a daily reminder of her!  all the men in the house had a field day of mysogyny.  Just an incredible anti-female environment.  No physical abuse, thank god, but loads of humiliation. 

As stated above, my mother dressed me weird.  She resented any request from me (as they were reminders of how her own sisters used and abused her).  I was told to wear the same dress day after day (before the pants thing).  If I asked for help with my hair she would slam the hairbrush down on my head so I would ask her to stop.  She never stated anything directly, always passive aggressively taking something out on me.  My Ndad liked to poke at me like a 'thing' to see if he could get a reaction out of me. 

It was really like that family who had to adopt Harry Potter.  Just resentful and trying to put a good face on for company.  Ick.  That's my story.  No loathsome criminal activity.  Just a pack of jerks.

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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2005, 01:29:28 PM »
Um, I was just joining in the discussion because I perceive some issues we may share in common?  I am not trying to hijack the thread but do wonder why I am unacknowledged here.  If I missed the fact that there is a private conversation going on, I apologize for my thickheadedness.  MP

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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2005, 01:37:32 PM »
mp for what it's worth, I'm, reading you!  Just pressed for time these days and not able to post much.   Keep your voice coming!
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2005, 01:01:59 AM »
Hello Amethyst and SF,

I too bear a resemblance to the parent my Ndad resented most in both facial features and gender.  His mother dearest.  She was a perfectionist.  She didn't like men because of her incredibly insane father (renowned around town for his fiery temper and alcoholism). She had two sons and promptly sent them to boarding school.  She "spoiled" by doing their laundry and cooking for them and telling them how special they were all the while not having to raise them herself.  My grandfather was very resentful of women esp his sister.  My Ndad grew up around other boys who just didn't know how to behave around women.  They are aliens.  My mother didn't like her MIL and I was a daily reminder of her!  all the men in the house had a field day of mysogyny.  Just an incredible anti-female environment.  No physical abuse, thank god, but loads of humiliation. 

As stated above, my mother dressed me weird.  She resented any request from me (as they were reminders of how her own sisters used and abused her).  I was told to wear the same dress day after day (before the pants thing).  If I asked for help with my hair she would slam the hairbrush down on my head so I would ask her to stop.  She never stated anything directly, always passive aggressively taking something out on me.  My Ndad liked to poke at me like a 'thing' to see if he could get a reaction out of me. 

It was really like that family who had to adopt Harry Potter.  Just resentful and trying to put a good face on for company.  Ick.  That's my story.  No loathsome criminal activity.  Just a pack of jerks.

((Hi Miss Piggy)) I have been reading your posts and realize that it was wrong of me to not respond. The appearance and clothes thing is an area in which I have got a lot of unfinished business, so maybe that is why I was silent. I am still struggling with the idea that it is ok to buy nice things for myself and that maybe a bit of normal vanity and self-indulgence is not going to turn me into a "selfish beast," which is a parental message I have to fight on all levels  I have to look at that. All I can say is that I apologize and want you to know that I value all of your posts...I find much quiet wisdom in them.

I also could totally relate to the story about having your hair fixed...my mother used to practically skin my scalp. I would cry. I have very frizzy, thick, curly hair and she absolutely had to get it straight and "perfect" before I left the house. It was ridiculous because in a few minutes it would revert to its natural state.

Your parents were perhaps not "criminal" but were certainly terribly abusive. Dressing kids in such a way that they are bound to feel public humiliation is terribly cruel. Poking at kids like an object? Horrible behavior. And if you reacted normally, flinching, crying, or asking them to stop it, what happened then? Probably more abuse. 

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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2005, 10:58:23 PM »
Um, I was just joining in the discussion because I perceive some issues we may share in common?  I am not trying to hijack the thread but do wonder why I am unacknowledged here.  If I missed the fact that there is a private conversation going on, I apologize for my thickheadedness.  MP

I've been away from the board dealing with h abuse issues that have me quite depressed right now. However I have read everything you've posted.

Thanks for the little girl hugs -- she really needs that right now. :)
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2005, 11:02:35 PM »
We're talking PLAID and plenty of it.  Wool in warm climes.  She would not buy me clothes other girls wore.  I rebelled by insisting on pants, not skirts (wanting to be a favored boy anyway).  She responded by letting me outgrow them and not replacing them, so I went through my preteen years with them flapping around the tops of my socks.   :shock:  Yes, I was THAT kid.  Wanna sit with me at recess?   :(  When I found the gumption to say anything about it, she would reply "you don't want them (the pants) dragging on the ground, do you?"  Add the fact that her little man would complain bitterly that  I was spoiled because I was bought special clothes just because I was a girl.  :shock:  Trade ya, buddy!

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Hmmm ... I despise plaids myself. Don't know why.

My brothers used to say I was spoiled because I got special gifts from my Nfather's business trips. In reality these were keep your silence reminders not gifts.
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2005, 02:22:23 AM »
Hello Plucky, Amethyst and Sallying,

Thank you so much for your very kind and encouraging replies.  I think I was feeling pretty exposed.  It is easier for me to respond to someone else's post than to tell my own story.  And this thread seems to hit directly on some of the more humiliating parts of my life.  The parts that are so embarrassing and shameful are harder than the stuff that just plain makes me angry. 

SF, your desire and intention of writing your story reminds of me what I once read in a popular writing book: the author tells readers that the most common attitude she sees in her workshops is defiance.  In her words "I will be silenced no longer."  I am still silenced by the image and fantasy of the "nice" family I cling to, and by my own need to be "nice".

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I am still struggling with the idea that it is ok to buy nice things for myself

Gosh, so many parts of your posts I could have written myself.  This is one of my big unresolved things too and it definitely comes from both my parents.  I told myself when I was younger it was because they lived during the depression, but that isn't really it.  Besides, plenty of other families went through that and didn't deprive their kids at every request and need.  In fact, I went through this period of false pride (still do) of thinking I don't need much, I can do without, etc.  I like being giving with my own kids as much as I can, appropriately, and when I can't or won't, I explain why instead of making them feeling piggy  :) or undeserving. 

Well, thanks for indulging me with a couple of hugs and well wishes.  I should probably start a thread, but then I'll really feel naked.  Back to you, SF.  I'm glad you've hung in there with your music despite your mother's campaign to spoil it.  I also read somewhere that children who can find some refuge in the arts come through the abuse just a little bit more intact than would happen otherwise.  (Sorry I don't know the basis for that claim, but it made me feel better!).  Perhaps you could spend some time this week with your clarinet? 

Hugs back atcha, MP