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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2003, 09:42:09 AM »
Dear Friends,

Once again you have helped me work through this, and kept me on course when I needed it.  Thanks to I am mine, bunny, rob, and rojo for helping me make that decision about hubby.

A couple of events have taken place since the other day.  First, I went to drop off the strawberries on the front porch and left a note that said I "wasn't up" to going out with her tomorrow.  Naturally, when I got home later that day there was a message to call my mother, she was worried, was I feeling sick from the pregnancy or was I still angry with her.  I guess I was secretly hoping this would happen because I wanted a reason to test out my "I just don't want to be with you tomorrow" answer - although it turned into a lot more than that.

So when I called her she asked the same question.  I said I just didn't want to go tomorrow.  So she said "oh, you're still angry with me". I said it wasn't really a matter of anger, that I needed a break, and that after the attacks of the recent week she couldn't expect everything to just go back to "normal".  I went on to say that things are different now, that I have a new outlook with respect to how she has treated me, in this incidence and in the past. I mentioned that not only had she attacked me but my immediate circle of loved ones as well... and that it was an eye-opener, the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.    She was very quiet, and I felt comfortable filling the silence with how I felt, and asserting myself with many different ways of saying "this is it, I am done, this is no longer acceptable", etc. etc. (These were affirmations for me, not for her).  Perhaps it was foolish on my part, but I actually felt like I had a voice with her for a few minutes... even if it wasn't real - even if it was her just being shocked - but she listened.   It was the confrontation that I had once made in a journal but thought I would never have the courage for with her in person.

I went on to say that though I understood why she acted the way she did, but that it simply wasn't acceptable. That excuses of her being emotionally immature and old and lonely didn't give her a ticket for abuse. She was an adult now, and she was responsible for her actions, and her actions had consequences.   I told her that when I was a child living under her roof that I was helpless and didn't have a choice.  But that now I was an adult with my own life, and her involvement in my life is a CHOICE.    That her sending angry letters to her children was the ultimate form of control, that she knew that when she sent them we couldn't respond right away, we were paralyzed, and she could poison us in any way she desired.  

Against my better judgement, I did address some of the details of the letters.  I told her that her assumptions were preposterous and that she was making bad out of innocent people.  That only the mind of someone who is not right would suggest these things.  I told her that I knew she had done the best she could, that sure, some parents could be considered worse but I only had one set, and had nothing to compare to, and that I know when something feels wrong and no longer have to live with it.  I told her that it doesn't matter that she is my mother anymore, that as an adult, we are now just two human beings on this planet.. and that if she ever wishes to be included in my life, or the holidays with my family, that I demanded respect for myself and for them.

I imagine some of it was out of fear, and some was sincere.. but she agreed to everything.  She kept saying in between how horrible she felt, and she didn't realize what a monster she came across as because when she is writing things down she is not necessarily meaning them, that they are exagerated (sp) because she is angry or trying to get some need met.

She said she didn't know what to say or do to make it right. She felt very badly - I told her she SHOULD!  That you just can't treat people with disrespect and expect them to accept it.  She said she was glad I expressed my anger to her, and that she really did want to be in my life, no matter what.  She said she doesn't really mean the things she says about my husband and his family, she just is afraid of trusting people but she really did like them.   I told her that she had a funny way of showing it, and that I didn't really believe her.  

I know she responded the way she did out of desperation.  Don't worry, I am not fooled.  She said that she never wanted to do this to me or the other kids again.  I said that she would, because that's who she is.. and that I just know how to protect myself now.  She said I was right, that I don't have to accept it anymore.

I told her that she should just let it be and leave me alone for a while.  That the damage had been done, but that for the first time in my life my eyes are wide open.  I told her not to try and contact me, or try and overcompensate, because it would just backfire.  I told her to let it lie.  She asked me to call her when I was ready, and wondered if we would see each other for Christmas.  I said that we would cross that bridge that this was too fresh.

Then, my husband came home.   I began to tell him about what had happened.  He said "I don't understand what all of this is about" which of course was a good segway (sp) for me to share the letters with him.  I read them all, in order.  He scrunched up his face and basically said, "there's something wrong with her.. she's showing signs of a paranoid."  I told him why I was letting him in on all this info. That my therapist had suggested it, and that I had hidden this side of my mother from him in the past because I didn't want to hurt him and I was embarrassed.  but he needed to know to remind me that she's not right when I get sucked in again.  I told him I wanted him to know so that he didn't think I exaggerated the affect my mother has had on me in my life and that that's a large part of why I needed counseling as an adult.

I don't know if this was the right timing.  My husband and I have our own business and he has been terribly stressed about money with the baby coming.  He has been questioning whether he can continue being a business owner because of the stress.  I think this new information upset him, because he has always liked my mother, and now he sees that she has said some mean things about him. He said that he definitely could see that there is another side of my mother now.   He could see I was upset, and was saying "don't think about this anymore, it's not good for the baby".  After I laid this all on him, though he was understanding and supportive, he was quiet for the rest of the night and seemed overwhelmed.  He went to bed early with a headache.  I feel like I dumped on him.

Guilt creeped in a little last night.  I thought about "poor mother", who really, truly, doesn't understand why she is the way she is.  and "poor mother", who feels terrible about herself now, not because she really realizes her actions, but because she feels like she has lost her Nsupply forever and is feeling desperate and out of control. "poor mother", who really, truly believes she did the best she could.

Anyway, I believe the worst is over.  Everything is out for everyone now.  I am hoping the dust will settle quickly for me emotionally so that I can get on with life.  I will call my mother in a couple of weeks, and things will be different.  I know now that after this I will have the strength to keep things superficial as many of you have suggested.  I will just have to be careful because as time goes on its easy to slip into old behaviors.

Thanks again for tolerating my long posts.  This is truly one of the best places I've ever been in my life.  God Bless Richard.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2003, 12:16:12 AM »
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Normally I just can't get through posts that are past a certain length(very, very long), so I never begin them.  When I skimmed the length of yours, I thought surely, I wouldn't be able to read it.  

For some reason, I started reading the first few lines, and I have no idea what happened, but what seemed like a mere 10 seconds later, I was surprised I had reached the bottom and I was left wanting for more!!

An amazing story that is so well told, and highlights very,very sick and abusive Nism thoughts and behaviors so, so well (the preg. conversation, the vile content of those letters).   It is also such a shining example of holding to boundaries.    You not only did that, but did it with dignity in the way you spoke your words.   Firm & blunt as needed, but not raging and abusive back.

I'm so glad I read that.  I congratulate you on a  F A N T A ST I C  job....

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2003, 07:28:39 PM »
CC.

Your husband has to know about your mother. Otherwise behaviors of yours could be misinterpreted; now he knows it's about your mom, not about him or the baby. You did the right thing.

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2004, 06:28:34 PM »
Well done you!!! Its great to see you standing upto her. I wish i could do the same. Your Mum does seem like she knows she is has a problem. My Mum however thinks she is ''hard done to'' and whenever i stand upto her she starts asking me why im being so horrible, why im making all these things up (though its somthing she done say five minutes back), then shes crying then thes having breathing difficulties and basically being sooooooo dramatic, cept im sucked in wishing id kept my Mouth shut. She will screech like shes having heart failure and believe me it sound like ive ripped her heart out, she puts down the phone, i have to ring back to make sure shes not dead from killing herself. Then ive been a mug!, i havent apologised or backed down but quietly agreed not to ''do it anymore'' cos she just cant stand it. The truth that is.

I know her game, but i also know I cannot stand to hear her so upset. Its so awful.

Ive noted your words and will definately be re-reading them, maybe I am just too agrressive towards her and need to be firm but kind. Thing is when you feel so angry you cant help it.

Good Luck

HUGS

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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2004, 04:02:39 PM »
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ENCORE, ENCORE!!  You are my hero!!  I hope it's ok, but it gave me the giggles a bit...it sounded so much like my mother.  SO RIDICULOUS!!  You were so great!!!!  I usually just stand there saying to myself, WTF just happened here????  :shock: !!!!  I can't wait until I'm strong enough to stand up to my mother like that...it must've felt so good.  You are a force!

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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2004, 05:15:44 PM »
Yeah, when I reread my earlier posts on one of the letters from mommie dearest I forgot to include a part about the French citizenship thing:  She expressed such concern about my aunt suggesting that paperwork because you know, "shes a FOREIGNER" and compared my aunt's suggestion to some "Muslim fathers that have dual citizenship in the middle east steal their wives' babies and never to return to the states"....

How demented is that???  This is my extended FAMILY she's talking about!!!  And is she insinuating that my husband is going to steal our own baby out of the country????   And we're talking EUROPE here!  (Please, any middle easterners please take no offense to my ranting mothers crazy antics).

Thanks again for the support... the fight now is controlling my own behaviors, not hers.  I am still struggling with telling her too much.  This is going to take a long time to change.
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2004, 05:53:56 PM »
OMG!!!  She IS my mother!!!!  Is it common for N's to be ignorant about race??  My mother is so hateful!!!  She has some derogatory comment about everyone who is not a white american.  drives me crazy!!  :x

she's also given me the grief about my husband.  hinting that he is not to be trusted.  told me to get a secret savings account to hide money "for when he leaves you" and to make sure that my name is on everything so that i can take it from him.  when i told her we were engaged, she told me i had no business getting married!!   :shock: i actually considered not going through with it.  your mother is supposed to be the one that would never tell you something that wasn't the best for you.  i can't believe she made me doubt myself!  i thank god everyday that i have such a wonderful husband and that she didn't ruin it for me.

i arranged the entire wedding around her vacation schedule - dumb- and then, cancelled at the last minute because she was too sick and too poor to go (it was in vegas.).  i offered to pay her way, if she felt up to it.  she declined.  i called her the day that we left for vegas and she wasn't in.  i called my granny to make sure that something hadn't happened to her.  my granny told me that she was out of town... she'd gone to mississippi to go gambling!!! :evil: she was too "sick" to take a 3 hour plane ride, but perfectly fine to ride in a car for 13 hours!  grrrrr.  i'm sure she did it just because i did something against her wishes.

i was heartbroken and my husband was PISSED!!  had to explain to everyone why my mother wasn't there, etc.  i still had a wonderful wedding, thanks to my husband and my friends and my wonderful stepmother.  

thanks to you and this board, i'm finally seeing how dumb i've been in letting her manipulating me.  it's so much easier not to talk to her!

thanks for all your support...you're doing great!

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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2004, 06:35:29 PM »
<Is it common for N's to be ignorant about race?? My mother is so hateful!!! She has some derogatory comment about everyone who is not a white american. drives me crazy!! >

yup, this is my experience: look for racism/ sexism/ homophobia/ anything-ism in NARCISSISM!

My friends N husband is so vehement about the Gay Bishops he gives himself away as the repressed homosexual others see in him.

My Npartner loves to illuminate others as to what women are really like, starting with 'acceptable' beliefs but quicklyy moving to how women need to be dominated.

The surface veneer, for polite society, is most illuminating: starts with a lecture about equal rights, ends in vitriolic condemnation of someone or some group.An N shows his or her true colours pretty fast after starting any in-depth discussion! Unfortunately few people see through it- and if they do, N always finds a reason to drop them pretty fast.