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October

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Extreme pain
« on: October 25, 2005, 10:21:03 AM »
Very often when people start to post on this board they are suffering from extreme pain.  They express relief to have found this place, and may even feel better for a while, but the pain has not gone away.

Then when they read responses, it is difficult to have an objective view of what is actually said.  It is soooooo easy to read into a positive or humourous or even a supportive message something of cruelty or betrayal, because that is all that they - I - have ever known.  Then sometimes the only possible response is one of extreme pain.  Sometimes when we are in pain we cannot help kicking out; it is not intended to hurt, but sometimes it does.  Sensible people understand that, and there are a lot of sensible people here, who can accept that this happens, especially with new posters.

The only way to learn that this place is safe is to post here.  The only way to learn that actually the people here are not the perpetrators, nor rescuers, but allies, is to trust them enough to let them post replies to what we say.  That involves taking a huge risk, and laying oneself open to rejection.  It is very hard to post here.  I know that.  Sometimes I can't do it for weeks and weeks.  Pretty well always I approach a thread that I have started, and think I am sure someone is going to say, get a life, or grow up or something.  But that never happens.  I get words of reassurance, and of love.  It never gets easy to post, but it does get easier.

I am not going to mention names, or direct this to any one poster, because I don't think it applies just to one person.  I think it is about me, most of all.

But to anyone in this kind of pain, can I just say, you are not alone any more.  Unless you choose to be.  (((((safe hugs)))))


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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2005, 10:28:58 AM »
((((((((((((((((grouphug)))))))))))))))))))
Here's a little hug for u
To make you smilie while ur feeling blue
To make u happy if you're sad
To let u know, life ain't so bad
Now I've given a hug to u
Somehow, I feel better too!
Hugs r better when u share
So pass one on & show u care

Chicken

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2005, 10:35:31 AM »
(((((((((((((((group hug))))))))))))))))))))))

 :D

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2005, 10:49:34 AM »
October, I have just been taught something about maturity.
I am so glad you wrote what you did, and am moved by the Big Love in it.
I echo you, in a poor imitation, but that's definitely good steering.
You have an ooooooold soul.

thank you.
Hopalong
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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2005, 11:03:36 AM »
October: what a love you are!  Thanks for sharing such kindness here.

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2005, 11:16:00 AM »
Hi October,

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It is soooooo easy to read into a positive or humourous or even a supportive message something of cruelty or betrayal, because that is all that they - I - have ever known.

Having had one or two, how shall I put it, misunderstandings with people here myself, I'd just like to say that I believe when people have a row, as you Brits call it, and make up they can be better friends than they were before. :D Maybe because they understand each other better.
Or maybe especially because we're used to having misunderstandings with people who can't or won't make it right.

mud

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2005, 11:25:07 AM »
Ummm,

My post above was written before I read the assorted locked threads.

Not too sure I would say anything differently, but hope I didn't offend anyone inadvertantly.

mud

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2005, 11:33:40 AM »
Extreme pain is not enough to try to express how I feel.
Having my words to help create a healthier place turned against me is the most horrifying thing that can be thought about...
Given my family past in Poland… I am disgusted.
Some will understand.
I thought I had found a safe place here and obviously it is not.
It’s enough to read the humorous tone of some messages, now. Like they feel they have “won”.
As someone said, it’s really : Screw you -- Now come and give me a hug.
Typical N.
ben.

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2005, 11:39:02 AM »
Ben

I'm new to this board too and to be honest, I really don't understand why you are so angry with certain people on this board.

I really hope that Richard Grossman helps you. xx
Here's a little hug for u
To make you smilie while ur feeling blue
To make u happy if you're sad
To let u know, life ain't so bad
Now I've given a hug to u
Somehow, I feel better too!
Hugs r better when u share
So pass one on & show u care

ben 01

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2005, 11:46:29 AM »
It's a long story that I am not willing to share.
I guess I trusted too much this place.
The good thing is that I know now about my gift and it's a new life for me.
I thank deeply those who have been supportive and/or helped me discover this thing within me.
I just ignore the others.
I leave b/c I do not feel any trust anymore.
And I am not gonna waste my time playing games with the little girls.
Good bye to everyone.
ben

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2005, 11:51:59 AM »
I'm sorry you feel that way.  Maybe one day you can work through your pain and feel happy to share with us.

Take care xx
Here's a little hug for u
To make you smilie while ur feeling blue
To make u happy if you're sad
To let u know, life ain't so bad
Now I've given a hug to u
Somehow, I feel better too!
Hugs r better when u share
So pass one on & show u care

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2005, 11:55:51 AM »
YEs, I am sorry too Ben. I wish you would trust us and talk a little. I have sent you a private message, but if you feel this isn't the time for help then so be it.

Tkae care

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2005, 12:14:43 PM »
Whatever it is, whoever has hurt....(it might not be intentional).
Don't give up.

Strength with you.
Hopalong

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2005, 01:17:02 PM »
October,
Thank you for your kind words.  I find starting a post nearly impossible, but will respond to others if I have something to offer.  There is always a personal risk involved, but hopefully whatever is said can be received in the spirit in which it was delivered.  Most of us are survivors of mistreatment of many dimensions.  How we react to words addressed to us personally, or to the group at large, can be manifested very differently.  Most of us have been hurt or distressed by something someone has said on this board, but hopefully we can get beyond it and once again be souls on a somewhat common journey to peace and contentment.

Brigid 

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Re: Extreme pain
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2005, 06:03:33 PM »
Extreme pain is not enough to try to express how I feel.
Having my words to help create a healthier place turned against me is the most horrifying thing that can be thought about...
Given my family past in Poland… I am disgusted.
Some will understand.
I thought I had found a safe place here and obviously it is not.
It’s enough to read the humorous tone of some messages, now. Like they feel they have “won”.
As someone said, it’s really : Screw you -- Now come and give me a hug.
Typical N.
ben.


I am very pleased that you are still posting, Ben. 

I can hear the pain, even if you cannot find words that are strong enough.  Who can, after all?  There are no words strong enough to explain, or bad enough to describe the b*stards who hurt you, and from the sound of it are still hurting you, in your life.  (I am not talking about anyone here, btw.)

If this place really is not safe enough for you, then I understand, and respect your right to make that decision.  But I hope that you can still read sometimes, and perhaps in time find safety, either here or elsewhere.  You deserve safety, and you deserve peace.

Maybe it would help you to remember that each one of us is the same as you, in some ways, and very different in others.  None of us is perfect, and none of us is healed enough to laugh at anyone else.  There is a time and a place for that, but perhaps we need to be sensitive to your need to be taken seriously, and not made to feel uncomfortable.  If that is what you need, then maybe we can do that.  But I would hate you to feel that you cannot be safe here, where so many of us find the only safety that we know.

Are you receiving any help with the depression you are dealing with, or are you on your own with it at present?  It sounds pretty bad.  I know that word is not enough, but I don't have any others.  I call it 'walking through the Valley of the Shadow', when talking about myself.  But maybe that sounds trite to some people, I don't know.  There are no words which are enough, so we have to hear what is written between the words and between the lines.  And that is what people here can do for you, if you give us a chance.

Peace be with you. 
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