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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2005, 09:52:31 AM »
Hi-
What would have helped?
Well, someone, anyone, to be there for me, to love me and hang out with me, to communicate in a loving way.  Someone to talk to me and to listen to me.  Someone to rely on.

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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2005, 06:05:41 PM »
What would have helped?

Someone who would really listen, really hear me, and really care. A true support system. A soft place to fall.
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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2005, 12:14:31 AM »
If someone were to tell me as a child that my mother had serious problems, at the time I would not have believed anyone.  My mother was the master manipulator, she took intimate, and valuable character forming information and used it to gain advantage at whatever moment it became prudent.....for her.  What ended up helping me ultimately, and even now as I have my own small family was the time that people randomly took to take me fishing, camping, sports, and interest.  As a few certain angels in my childhood quietly, and unjudgingly introduced hobbies, and interests to me from their simple and non-prying angle new worlds opened up that later would be come the world that would teach me sympathy, empathy, consequences, fairness, and many other life skills.  These skills were not really skills, they were more fragments, and tastes of better options, and or oasis's that were a places to go to, even now.  I am troubled still by confusion, anger, guilt, and many other hardcore B/W decisions that a child of an N parent are forced to make sooner, but mostly later as the knowledge and courage are gained. 
     I love the migration of the salmon and steelhead in the pacific northwest.  I love knowing how to trout fish in so many different places with the so many different skills and baits to use depending on all of the circumstances.  I love the personal challenge and integrity involved in sports, in my case now golf, I love a pure drive and a winding putt that sometimes luckily winds its way to the hole and drops.
     I am glad that these arbitrary angels taught to me what they loved, it helped me love what they loved, love them, and now it helps me to try to stay on the slippery median of the tumultuous N world with my mother now, my family now as it relates, and my knowing that there is something better out there, I just have to find it.  I certainly dont have even one fifth of the answers that I need, but when I land a salmon with my kids all of those questions kind of get reset to be answered another day, or perhaps never.  I do know something, that my mother is a testament of misery, and instablility that is a constant reminder that my precious children need protection from that N world so help me God.
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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2005, 02:01:04 AM »
Wally, why, that is a lovely post!

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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2005, 07:49:09 PM »
Hello:

I have just joined and hope I can be of help. I have come to the realization over the last several months that my mother was an nMom. It explains everything that happened to me while in that household and years afterwards.

As I think back the thing that would have helped me most is a straightforward honest explanation of her disorder. Or of some confirmation that she was messed up and it wasn't me. I know that people around me, especially my father, tried to "hint" to me how to handle her, by when you are confused and frightened and living in the same household as a crazy person, hints don't do the job. I know that there were people around me who could have saved me years of pain if they had the courage to be honest. It porbably would be risky for them if nMom found out, but that is what would have spared me a lot of pain and mistakes due to it.

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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2005, 01:16:55 PM »
Wally, I think you're right.
   Even if we came up with a logical explanation of N behavior that the girls could understand, they wouldn't want to hear it.  Maybe when they're much older, we can give them a book about N's.
   And I do tell my husband, based on my gut feelings, that the best we can do right now is present them with glimpses of normalcy (normal relationships, normal behavior, normal discipline, etc).  We all have our demons from childhood; my husband and I just wish we could do more to protect these children in the here and now.
   I recently told my older stepdaughter that adults don't always speak the truth --- to believe what she sees and what she feels much MORE than what she hears.  I also told her that just because a person is grown doesn't mean he or she knows everything (something I was surprised to discover upon reaching adulthood - what a disappointment!).  She just stared at me with wide, solemn eyes and nodded her head.  She knows something's wrong, but she won't talk about it.

Lost: 
   The girls wouldn't welcome an explanation.  They crave their mother's love and attention, as false as it appears to anyone that has known this woman for more than a month (and I think even to the girls). But I promise you this:  if either of them ever asks me a question that I can find the answer to (from a book or an expert or my own experience), I won't hesitate to be honest and straightforward with them.

Thank you all, again, so much for your insight.

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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2006, 01:03:45 AM »
Hi Heather,
You sound like a wonderful caring person. The fact that you care, the fact that you see the truth and are truly there for them helps them. My mum is narcissistic but I always had a sister that loved me and was there for me, She is 8 years older than me. My mum confused me a bit and tried to turn my sister and I against each other. Every child needs to be nurtured. N mothers can't do this, You can offer them nurture and a safe place to fall. My sister and I nurtured each other. We see the truth about our mother. If I didn't have my sister I may not have never seen the truth and be brainwashed by my mum. Kids will chose what they believe when they are older but the fact they will know they were loved, nurtured, listened to and respected  by you and your husband will be hugely influencial. These girls are still very impressionable so there is alot of hope for them. The things that I wished my mother did was smile at me, try to get to know me, spend time with me and speak to me kindly.
The only thing that concerns me is that if their nmum gets any idea that you are not agreeing with her, she may try turning the girls against you. I hope this is not the case but don't underestimate her power ever. They will do anything to gain control. They don't care.
All the best and I think you are amazing for those girls.

Jessica :)

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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2006, 01:25:17 PM »
Okay, Bean, tell me what to say to these children that will clue them in on their mother's behavior.  Give me an agenda, an outline, a list of details.  If it's that easy, I would truly appreciate and USE the information you provide.  How do you approach the subject, with a 6- and 7-year old, to begin with?  "Once upon a time, there was this mommy who LOOKED normal and ACTED normal in public, but when she took her children in the house and shut the door, her nice-mask fell off and she turned into a ..." or "Although I'm not a mental health professional, I feel, very strongly, that your mother suffers from 'Narcissistic Personality Disorder' which can be diagnosed when one displays 5 or more of the following criteria..." or how about "You're mommy's a nutcase!  You want some ice cream?"

Have you ever been in my husband's or SingleDad's situation?  Do you know how EASY it is for a father to lose his custody and/or visitation rights?  Anything he says (to the child that is and will be reported to the mother) can and WILL be used against him in a (civil) court of law.  Whereas most fathers have to either be rich and sadistically narcissistic themselves or have a ton of damning information on their exes (such as her mainlining heroine while prostituting herself to and in FRONT of the judge), a mother can say "he's mean" or "he's insinuated to our child that I'm not mentally stable" and get custody!  Yes, that's slowly changing, but we won't see full court-acknowledged equality in our lifetimes!  Also, SingleDad said his ex was officially, professionally diagnosed with NPD, and the judge STILL awarded her custody!

Call my husband and myself cowardly and narcissistic if you want to or need to, but don't suggest the fix is quick and easy unless you're prepared to deliver it with the guarantee it won't further screw up these innocent kids or cost my husband what precious little time he has with them!

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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2006, 10:09:20 PM »
Hi Bean,
While I understand why you are angry, I don't think Heather deserves your anger.  She is trying to figure out what to do for 2 little girls.  Remember they are very young.   It is hard to know what to say.  Youung children think differently from adults.  The bare truth may be too much for them.

Heather, I would try to find some children's books which dealt with the feelings they are likely to experience.  I don't know any offhand but if I run across some I will post.  My children are drawn to books in which the children express the feeelings they have,  especially fear and anger and jealousy.  If you talk to a children's librarian or troll the web you night find some ideas.

Good luck
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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2006, 09:13:33 AM »
Thanks, Plucky.

Apology accepted, Bean.

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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2006, 09:50:42 AM »
 
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Anything he says (to the child that is and will be reported to the mother) can and WILL be used against him in a (civil) court of law.  Whereas most fathers have to either be rich and sadistically narcissistic themselves or have a ton of damning information on their exes (such as her mainlining heroine while prostituting herself to and in FRONT of the judge), a mother can say "he's mean" or "he's insinuated to our child that I'm not mentally stable" and get custody!

I'm glad you pointed this out, Heather. I was about to. It is not just fathers who get this end of the stick, but mothers as well, especially in states such as mine, where the courts are bending over backwards NOT to look "mother biased". Of course, my ex also fits your description of rich and sadistically narcissistic.... Ironic how the kids don't seem to fit into the formula in the courts!!

Bean, I am sorry for the stuff you have seen/gone through. My flippant comment about needing only one good parent was naive...but meant to be supportive for those of us  stuck "coparenting" with a flaming N.

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Re: What would have helped you, as a child, deal with your N-Mother?
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2006, 10:59:29 AM »
Hiya all

I thought I'd add my two cents to this... and I'm coming at it from a child of divorce with a Mum who had her own troubles, a stepdad who I grew up with from the age of 5 and an N father who got custody of me one Saturday a fortnight.

What helped me......

1. My Stepdad.  He was just a placid man than when he was angry I knew it was bad.  However he never hit me, never smacked me and now I have more respect for him than anyone else.  His discipline was to "stand in the corner facing the wall".

2.  Leaving home at 17.  Although partly this was a bad time in my life due to being rejected by Mum and bio Dad, I also had a "surregate mum".  She was my boss and my neighbour.  I had my independence, as I lived on my own, however she helped me so much and a lot to do with the person I became is because of her help.

I'm not sure that telling the children about N's or mental illness would be beneficial.  From my personal experience anyway, I would "pretend" I had a normal family.  If someone had tried to take that away from me, they would have took away my survival technique.

Everyone is different and there are no easy answers to this.  I feel we just have to try our best with the information we have at the time.  I feel providing them with a healthy, safe place with good boundaries to be is better than anything.

My two cents anyhow.... for what they're worth.

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