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HopefulSoul

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Friendship and being alone
« on: December 18, 2005, 01:22:02 PM »

I've recently joined this message board because I didn't want to be alone with my issues.  I'm the son of two narcissists.  Over the course of the past 5 years, I have pulled away from them almost completely and have been trying to rebuild my life.  One place where I struggle, where I have always struggled is in relationships.  For the first 20 years of my life, I basically lived a very solitary life.  I didn't really have friends; I never was invited to parties.  And even when I did make a friend or did something social, I was so, so disconnected from myself that it didn't matter.  It may sound odd, but just a few years ago for the first time in my life I consciously felt my loneliness.  That is, for the first time, I understood that the feeling I was experiencing was actually loneliness!  Well, I continue to be lonely and alone today.  It's such a struggle for me.  I read another post entitled "Noticing cracks in friendships" and I could totally relate with it.  I've met many people who simply don't return my calls, but instead call me when it's convenient for them...And I am almost ALWAYS available to these people!!  I have a neighbor who I've been getting to know over the last couple of months.  I'll call her to talk to her, but she rarely answers.  Not only that, but she doesn't respond to my voicemail either.  But then she'll call me and I'll pick up the phone and she'll want to talk.  The same thing happens when making plans.  I'm tired of it.  I'm tired of always being available to someone like this neighboor.  And I think that because of my childhood I am prone to get into relationships with these sort of dynamics.  I have been conditioned to think that it's alright for someone to come in and out of my life on his/her own terms without respecting me as a person.  Sure, I don't always get back to people right away.  Sure, I am late for appointments as well.  But I believe most people I interact with know that I have made a concerted effort to call him/her and to be on time. 

But then I am faced with the fact that I don't have many friends and maybe it's my attitude that gets in the way.  I know that one reason why my friendships fail is because I am disappointed when I realize that a friend cannot meet all/most of my needs.  I think my mother instilled in me the belief that she could take care of everything for me, that I didn't need anyone else other than her.  So now in adulthood, I'm looking for the same type of relationship...or at least, I'm just repeating the behaviors I learned from that totally dysfunctional relationship.  Unfortunately, I just can't say "Oh, my friends don't need to meet any of my needs...I can be friends with anyone".  That's not true at all.  There is a blurry line between these two extremes that create healthy relationships, but I don't know where it is. 

One thing is for sure: I've promised myself that from now on I will not end any relationships (unless obviously it's an abusive one).  I will maintain relationships and try to have different kinds of relationships.  With my neighboor, I know that I can only have a relationship of convenience...so I will not try to depend on her in any way.

But all of these thoughts don't help at all when I am feeling profoundly alone.  I just wish I coud fill my life with kind, caring, people.

HopefulSoul

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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2005, 03:42:05 PM »
Hi HopefulSoul,

Your post touched me.  You've articulated so well the feelings that many of us struggle with, so KNOW that you are not alone in feeling this way.  I want to tell you this HS, I would love to be your friend.  I would be honored to have another caring, feeling person to correspond with.  You may have read this on the board already but for MANY of us, our closest relationships are right here on this board.  I agree the key is finding balance in our expectations of others and our need for some degree of reciprocity. When I am not feeling the other person, I let the relationship chill for a while and wait to see if that person cares enough to reestablish contact.  If they don't or don't for a long time, I know that this is an acquaintance. 

Interestingly, when I've had really close friends in the past, you are able to feel that closeness no matter how much time has passed.  There is that bond.  That was how it was with my girlfriend of 25+ years, until she got consumed by the church thing recently.  Now I hardly know who this person is any more.  Such is life.  Time to move on.  With the billions of people out here in the world, there must be a handful we can one day call "friend" in the truest sense of the word.

CeeMee

 

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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 04:49:20 PM »
Hi Hopefulsoul, that was my post "noticing cracks in my friendships..."  I would just like to say that i know how you feel!  I really believe that awareness is the first step.  From now on a new seed is planted, and the rest will take some time to grow.  It's painful to face reality sometimes especially when it's not so nice. 
I completely agree with what CeeMee said above, you sound like a fantastic friend and the kind I am hoping is out there, it's refreshing to know there are reliable, caring, considerate, respectful people like you...  until then, I will be happy with the loose, casual sorts. 
The last few posts in my thread have really sorted me out.

I met with a friend tonight y'know...  I originally felt like casting her aside as she had proved to be a bit of a flake but then I thought, well, she didn't mean it etc, then I thought, well what are my expectations of her?  I thought about her, she is not abusive or anything, in fact she is a lovely person.  So we met up, had a few pints and a great old chat and after an hour or so I found myself thinking "Gosh, she would rather be somewhere else..."  (she mentioned meeting friends later) and she consulted her mobile phone on occasion.  But when I came away, I realised...  y'know what I realised?  I realised I wasn't overly stimulated anymore either!  There was I thinking I was a bore or not entertaining enough for her, but then again, she wasn't exactly making me want to stay on longer either...  having said that, it was lovely to see her-  but not enough to stay out longer.

I was so busy thinking about what she was thinking, I forgot my own thoughts... I probably would have stayed out for as long as I would have sensed her to want me to stay out. 

So, what I say is, regain your power, stop putting yourself beneath people.  You have a lot to offer people too and don't forget that
« Last Edit: December 18, 2005, 04:56:36 PM by Selkie »

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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2005, 05:37:17 AM »
(((((((((((((((((((((((((hopeful))))))))))))))))))))))))) 

Hang around here honey.  You are sooooo not alone.  i can never get friendships right either.  i picked up perfectionism from my N mother and that just gets in the way.  The low self esteem also doesn't help and selkie you are so spot on.  i am constantly berating myself also that people don't like me enough when actually.... yes it is a two way thing and sometimes I am so busy trying to please that I am not really pleasing myself.  I have been off work since last wednesday and I had to ring in sick again today.  i was dreading it because I am so worried that I will not be believed or missed or something.  The thing is and what I should be focusing on is that actually I feel very ill and need to look after myself.....

Look after yourself hopeful Soul......

Spyralle x

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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2005, 01:22:17 AM »
Hello HS,
well, there are plenty of people who lack friends.  It doesn't mean you will never have any or that you are incapable.
It sounds like you have only just come to a point where you are even ready to have real friends, make an effort to maintain a relationship, etc. so perhaps until now the type of friendship you envision was not even possible for you.

Once you've left school, it can be difficult to find the time to form a true friendship.  You are resolving to change some things in order to improve your friendship outlook.  That is a great step and I hope it works - but if not, it just means that, after so many years of being one way, you will have to endure some trial and error to change how things are.

Good luck
Plucky

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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2005, 10:42:52 PM »
dear Hopefulsoul

I have never felt so friendless or such lack of sincerity as I do living in Texas but I have hung in for my family, and sure enough as time goes by I have collected some weird and wonderful friends, and a new life.

Find what you're interested in/good at...there are plenty of people who will appreciate you for who you are.

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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2005, 09:05:01 PM »

But then I am faced with the fact that I don't have many friends and maybe it's my attitude that gets in the way.  I know that one reason why my friendships fail is because I am disappointed when I realize that a friend cannot meet all/most of my needs. 


The thing about friendship is that its between human beings, who are naturally imperfect.

There are people who move in and out of my life at their convenence, and that's their lifestyle. They do it to everyone, are really busy, blah blah blah but my life is richer with them in it. It has nothing to do with me that they do these things...

There are friends that call me periodically, we get together for coffee or dinner. There are friends I talk to every day.  Most days my phone doesn't ring. I don't mind - I'm a really busy person too!!

Each of these people connects with me in different ways -- my more nomadic friends are other artists, creatives who are busy Getting Things Done...They stimulate my creativity with what they're up to...My phone-date friends are deeper emotional connections, we share our process of healing with each other, lean on each other more...but again, for different issues, different things.

Each human has so many facets, its too much to ask for one person to mesh with every facet of ourselves.  Each of my friends has traits that I don't find very attractive, in their own ways, but that's part of who they are.

None of us are perfect. Our relationships are not objects to be perfected, but rather, processes that unfold from who we are.

I had really controlling parents who tried to perfect me, like I was an object, tried to turn me into someone else. When you're a little kid, mom is like God, she gives you food, she washes you, etc. etc. Its only natural to believe her when she lies to you. My mom did too. But we're not little kids anymore, and we can unbelieve those lies. Reality's too close to keep denying it.

You are not alone in this. I struggle too, we all do.  Be who you are. I know its a lot to ask -- I struggle with that, too!

Blessings,

Andromeda
What's madness but nobility of soul at odds with circumstance?
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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2006, 01:55:46 PM »
Hello H,
This really hit a cord with me.  I have always felt it difficult to find friends too, since I became a teen, in fact.  I too knew I was being overly picky, and too judgmental of people.  I am not very proactive either, so rather than picking them, over the years, I have let my friends pick me...  The results can be disastrous.  I think I typically ended up with assertive, bossy types as a result.

Anyway, I wanted to give you some hope and share with you how I've dealt with this.  Here's what I did.  You may laugh because it is a little humorous:  The self pity I had for not having any friends enveloped me to the point I could hardly stand it, anymore, so I decided to do something--anything.  I knew that walking around looking for those with "my friend" taped clearly on their foreheads, was a fruitless endeavor.  It always seemed forced when I tried to approach people, too and "ask" for their friendship. So I did the following instead:   I started just simply noticing people who I interacted with in some way everyday.  No one special:  I mean, I chose the clerks at the stores I shopped at (it's helpful to shop everyday for your dinner for that night, to get yourself out of the house when you're feeling expecially lonely--pick a store that isn't very busy or shop during off peak hours), the guy who pumps the gas at the gas station, the neighbor who always seems to be out trimming her gladiolas...  A guy who walks his dog in front of my house everyday, and the young woman who lived below me in our apartment complex who I saw coming and going quite regularly--and I just started thinking of them as "my friend."  They, of course, never knew I was doing this.  I tried accepted them just the way they were, without passing judgment.  I observed how they moved throughout my day like a constant fixture.  It was very comforting.  When Mary (the girl who lived downstairs, for example) came home, I'd say to myself:  here comes Mary.  And I'd think, "it's so nice to see she made it home safely."  Eventually, noticing these people in my life became so familiar to me that I accepted every one of them--just the way they were.  Even with all their quirks and idosyncrisies.  Before then, I wouldn't have thought of thinking of any of these people as "my friend."  Then one day I surprised myself by talking to them out of nowhere, I found a voice--a small voice, and it was only insignificant small talk.  You know "Hi, I notice you have a flat tire (neighbor)."  Or "Hi, good to see you again" (clerk at the store).  I smiled at the gas station attendent.  It's strange but if you develop warm feelings for others in your life, they reciprocate it.  No, I didn't become "best friends" with these people, but I did think of them warmly when I saw them, and they returned the feelings, I thought.  It is a feeling of peace knowing you are connected to others, as the world moves around you.

Now I have several people I consider true "friends."  I carefully remember that no matter how many traits I find unfamiliar or "not like me" with them I can point out in my mind about them, they're just trying to survive, just like me.  I do not demand that they become my friend, on the contrary, I don't even admit they are my friends (to them).  I just simply treat them like they are--I say, "Hi, how are you?"  I smile when I see them.  I give them a nod of approval every once in a awhile.  Sometimes a conversation develops and we talk for awhile...

In other words, I think victims of N. think that there is always some underlying motivation for developing friendships and that is why it is so hard to have "normal" friendships with people.  We get mad that they are too superficial, or not developing quickly enough, or we're giving more, etc.  This constant taking of the temperature of the friendship is sure to kill it!  In other words, to know peace, I had to have No expectations.  It was weird how many friendships sprung up after that.  I may not feel really close to anyone, but I do not feel the loneliness I felt before.


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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2006, 03:57:07 AM »
Hello H,
I also struggle with friendships. I always seem to attract controlling, needy friends who would end of trampling all over my life and after I have had enough of them I would no longer want to be their friend. I found that it can be hard to find good close friends. I don't have a problem with having friends at a distance but taking the next step like inviting them over is hard for me. I don't know whether I send the message that I don't want friends or whether they don't want to be friends with me. I felt that nobody wants to waste their time with me but I also felt like they arn't good enough for me.
A year ago one of my friends hurt me alot and turned people against me. I was very distraught and angry and cried alot. Then I questioned myself if I was being a good friend and I think that sometimes I wasn't and so I decided that I cant change anyone but I can change myself. I have been working on accepting myself and not expecting much from anyone.  It has seemed to work I am slowly building up friendships. I often have felt alone too and it's horrible. There are alot of good people out there. Alot of us here  would love to be your friend, all the best.

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Re: Friendship and being alone
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2006, 07:35:18 AM »
Hi!
I think I am beginning to come to terms with my friendships.  It's because I am no longer analysing them and getting pissed off with them for what they are not, now I am beginning to accept them for what they are and I'm good with that.  I think I have a tendency to be too harsh on myself and others and my standards and expectations are high, as a result, I am never satisfied.

It was CeeMee that helped me see the light actually on my last thread, she said something along the lines of accepting your friendships for what they are and lowering your expectations to meet these kind of friendships (Obviously, I am not talking about abusive friendships here)

That really helped me, and that approach doesn't let either side down and it keeps my friends around me. 
I don't think you should dump friends willy nilly, it's about readgusting your expectations of them, then no one gets hurt or pissed off