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Dr. Richard Grossman

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« on: August 05, 2003, 11:56:39 PM »
I have closed and deleted the following topics:  What the heck happened here?; Living Consciously . . hello . . . .;I guess this is an NDP support board. . .so goodbye;Hope I disagree with you;this new message board sucks

Everyone has had their say in these topics, and it is time to move on.   Let me remind everyone that this board is a place to share your experience with voicelessness and to give and receive support.  If you would like to participate in a forum on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, discuss the way people diagnosed with NPD are treated by society, or be part of a support group for people diagnosed with NPD, Hope has offered his site as a place to do it http://frost.bbboy.net/healnpd.

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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2003, 12:17:29 AM »
Obviously the number of responses to the banished posts shows a need to debate these topics and a desire to understand. I think a lot of the responses showed thought. They weren't all negative. Deleting them seems rather rash.

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2003, 02:44:43 PM »
I think that it is your  website and we thank you so much for making it ours as well.  Having said that, I feel that you should shut down anything that you deem as inappropriate, disruptive or not possitive and productive for those seeking help.  There are some people that make a hobby out of going around and disrupting boards, any board.  The more confrontational the better.

I must say, that I am delighted that you are reading the posts, responding, and so involved with this new  board.  We don't all go to professionals for help, so it is nice to know that a Psychologist is listening to our frustrations and understanding our pain.

Thanks Dr. Grossman for making that possible.   :D

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(how do I post my user name to a reply??  Everytime I put my user name in--it says username taken???)

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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2003, 03:49:05 PM »
(Cinderella: up top, click on "Register" and you'll be able to open an account, so you're not always displayed as a guest. Someone else has already registered as Cinderella, so you'll need to find a different username - unless that's you, in which case you just need to log in :) Does that answer your question? Hope so...)

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2003, 08:26:46 PM »
Thanks Neko.  I guess I just didn't log on!

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2003, 10:03:23 AM »
Isn't the title of this message board "voicelessness?"

I find it rather ironic that you would silence people for stating their opinion (even if it is negative) on a message board that has specifically been set up to talk about voicelessness!

Furthermore, the whole "it's time to move on" is dictating how long we can discuss an issue. What is the purpose of that? I only got to read and respond to a few of the threads that you deleted.

You are treating us like children who need supervision, not like adults who need an outlet. Yes, some here act like children, but that is a part of the healing process. Going back and rereading the hateful, childish writings of one's self can be very eyeopening. Also, the candid responses of others can sometime hit the nail right on the head.

If you sensor these kinds of interactions you will be undermining the very purpose of this site! I know that you have worked hard to create this message board for us and I thank you very much for doing so. I do agree that name calling, racial slurs, and cursing should not be allowed, but it really bothers me that you would delete threads that, for whatever reason, you just don't like .
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2003, 03:52:04 PM »
I feel strongly that in order for this message board, (and also for any therapy) to be effective, it must be "safe" for participants.  In this particular case, as most if not all participants have been "voiceless" - that is, wounded by narcissistic abuse,  this is essential.

I have been following this board, and have read the posts in question. I think that Dr. Grossman was correct in removing the posts that he did, as they were in fact, quite abusive and damaging. I in no way believe that having a "voice" gives anybody the right to be abusive.

I congratulate Dr. Grossman in having the conviction to do this, and to make this a safe place for all of us.  Thank-you.

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2003, 04:43:46 PM »
At heart, the deleted threads were just another strand of the ongoing faction fighting that dominates the self designated "NPD community".

It's never about truth or reality, nor about real people and their real pain. It's not even about real ideas, because I often see people who allege bitterly opposing views "ganging up" as a matter of expediency.

The trouble is that doesn't leave anywhere for the people who just want to be honest, share and learn from each other, be themselves and speak their thoughts freely, they are left truly "voiceless".

I hope Dr Grossman can always keep the faction fighting out of here, heaven knows they have plenty of "NPD Community" to play with elsewhere!

And incidentally, I'm not sure NPD IS an acronym for "Voicelessness and Emotional Survival".

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2003, 07:18:29 PM »
I intended to agree that NPD is a form of voicelessness - then realised that it is qualitatively different. Having been silenced by their childhood experiences, 'narcissists' create new voices with which to silence others. Their 'victims' have yet to find a voice.

It is right to let them each have their space to find their voice.  But not in the same space.  Together they are not a happy - or healthy - mix.

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2003, 10:43:16 AM »
I agree with you Rosencrantz, there's a place for NPD's and survivors, but not the same place. . . . like oil and water

Thank you Dr. Grossman for moderating and making this a safe place again.   Blessings to all.    :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2003, 11:21:10 AM »
Enlightened - is that you?!  I'm so pleased to see you back.  I thought you'd been frightened off forever!!   :D
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2003, 04:38:23 PM »
Aww shucks, yep it's me. . .thanks again for the welcome  :P   will post when I have some time.   Blessings 2 you!

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2004, 09:55:11 PM »
Quote from: Richard Grossman
  Let me remind everyone that this board is a place to share your experience with voicelessness and to give and receive support.  If you would like to participate in a forum on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, discuss the way people diagnosed with NPD are treated by society, or be part of a support group for people diagnosed with NPD, Hope has offered his site as a place to do it http://frost.bbboy.net/healnpd.


I wantd to bring this thread to the top in the light of a new thread started called" Does this Sound Familar????"

My first question is, is the Anon post a fabrication, is it real, who knows? Do any of all people responding and commenting know for sure?.
Could the person who 'Found' this have just made it up?
Could the person who 'Found' this on another site that they visit, and I guess participate in, have posted it there themselves, and then lifted it back out?

Who knows? We'll never know.

The lifter seemed so strange calling it fascinating and asking our opinions.

Just a bit too strange I think, and I think Portia's right,  I too am completely sus' of the whole thing. I smell a rat. A little bit too convenient. And the feeding frenzy that has taken place. Why? What a waste of life.

And if it is for real then I agree with the first guest, do we want to start a flame war with another board.

And now we even are calling the 'anon poster' SHE. I didn't read anywhere it was a woman. Did you? Everyone picking up on everyone elses ideas, and it all takes on a life of it's own pretty quickly.

So many assumptions happening in that new thread, based on what?

I'm just not interested in someone bringing in someones elses trash for us to sort through. Yes I'm a bit disgusted, and the other side is what if it is a 'true', does than mean the person 'Anon' was even talking about us here in this forum? This is the funny part. This made me laugh. What if it's not us at all, and we start a flame war with another board. Wouldn't that be stupid. There are so many forums, it could have been any number?

So because it's not even a certainty, or absolute that it's us who's being talked about (and I'm getting tied up because I tend to think the whole thing is a fabrication from beginning to end) why would we feel the need to defend ourselves. It wasn't addressed to us. Some types just love creating 'situations' where there aren't any. Everything gets quiet and comfortable and someone has to construct another issue.

Quote DR Grossman above, "Let me remind everyone that this board is a place to share experience with voicelessness and to give and receive support." We're here for each other to discuss our own personal issues and what we've learned along the way. That's where it should stay.

On that other thread some spin-doctor has put just about everybody commenting on that thread into defense mode imagining that are being picked on and persecuted. Why? Why indeed?

I bought this thread up to say it's not our problem, and if it is true then I think it was insensitive, to put it mildly to lift it. Haven't we got enough real issues here with our own participants. If some other person actually did write the post on the other site, then they aren't here to defend themselves, are they? So that's not fair-play in my opinion!

And my final comment is that if it is a 'Kosher' post by Anon it's still not right to do it. I don't think many of us would like it if some of our personal stories we've posted got lifted and discussed on other forum's around the world, and if I we found out it had happened to us how would we feel.  I know I wouldn't like it. I can see how it can start a flame-war between boards and what a waste of life that would be. There's way too much supposition going on with this one topic and I think it would be a good one to let die. Which of course should be the outcome because it's not our post.  

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2004, 10:51:07 PM »
Just finishing off my thoughts above, why doesn't everybody who wants to have a say about this 'anon' post take it over to the other board. I'm sure the person who lifted it over to this forum  would be happy to provide the site details. That seems the most appropriate place to sort it out, with the anon author directly.

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