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pennyplant

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Re: gender identity and n-parents
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2006, 07:22:20 PM »
Hi Hops,

I have never really thought about it from this point of view--I have thought of myself as a victim a lot of my life.

Could it be that as a very small person, you learned to sharpen your wit and have a true enjoyment of the more "muscular" conversation vibes of men?

And could it be that women who enjoy the lighter stuff aren't necessarily offended by your preference for man-talk, but just sense it, so they move along to do that kind of thing?

Maybe nobody meant to offend you but they're just sensing who you are? (Hopefully.)

I am a normal sized 5' 6" adult...but as a little girl I was the tiniest in my class until halfway through high school.
I wanted to be more powerful.
Guys were.
Not just physically...the entire society told me they were.

In my family I was the oldest and always wished I had a big brother to protect me.  Now I know they are not all protectors.  But that's what I believed at the time!!  I always wanted to be stronger than I was.  I remember being so little and weak, probably age 3 or 4, that it was hard for me to wring out a washcloth!  I had to use every bit of my strength to close the car doors.   In my imagination I was strong and athletic but in real life I went on pure adrenalin because I was not strong at all.  Had to beg and beg to be allowed on the park softball team in the summer.  Finally they let me when I pointed out that a younger girl than me was allowed to play.

So, that perception of male power might really mean something as far as my preferences.  The boys were mean in my neighborhood, but somehow it didn't seem as personal as when the girls were cruel.  That seemed like more of a betrayal.  And reinforced what I already believed due to my sister being almost impossible to live with.  I really believed if she had been a little brother it wouldn't have been as bad.  Don't know where I got that idea from.  I guess I just thought the opposite of her would be good.

Yes, Hops, there is more than one way to interpret this.  Definitely will have to think about it.  Your ideas are more positive than what I have been believing so far!   :D

Thanks!

PP
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Re: gender identity and n-parents
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2006, 11:09:38 AM »
A few years ago, while in the middle of a crisis, my mother happened to send me most of my baby pictures for my birthday (as I'm into family history and photos).  I looked at them with a new eye.  With every picture, I kept asking myself, why did I grow up with the idea that I was ugly?  These pictures prove I was not.  Kept looking at my own pictures of me as a young woman and mother and thought the same thing.  Why did I think I was fat and ugly, these pictures prove I was not.  So, maybe I don't see myself correctly.  It made me realize that I look alright, presentable even.  That as I grow older, I may never look better than I do right now.  So, I began to stop trying to hide myself.  Which has brought other challenges, let us say.  But still, it's better to feel confident in my looks than to truly believe I'm ugly.

Whenever I meet another redhead I always ask them if they were picked on as children.  Most of them say yes.  But one I met told me that her family always told her how beautiful she was and even when she got glasses they told her the same thing.  It was when she started at a new school that someone first thought to say she was ugly (she was not).  I have always remembered that her family told her she was beautiful with her red hair and glasses.  Nobody EVER told me that.  Not until I was an adult.

In spite of this mixture of ideas about  beautiful/ugly I now know that my social problems had less to do with looks and more to do with my personal problems.  People will always be attracted to a happy, well-adjusted, and generous person, whether they are plain, pretty, unusual or whatever looking.

PP

I haven't posted here in a while. I read your post and had to write something.

My mother is N and OCPD which makes for an extremely perfectionistic N! She was into HER beauty, HER femininity, and HER body. She hated any competition from me. I was the ONLY girl in our family and she didn't like me, period. I once asked my mother if I was beautiful and she said, "No but you are pretty." I knew what she meant - 'Mirror, mirror on the wall who's the fairest one of all?' There was only room for one beautiful princess in her eyes and she was it. It was as if from that moment on she declared a war on my beauty, my femininity. I couldn't be what she was.

I too always thought I was ugly and genderless and fat as a child. My pictures sent to me sent to me years ago proved otherwise. I was beautiful, definitely feminine and certainly not fat. I was height-weight proportionate throughout my childhood.

Only as an adult did I gain weight because it wasn't safe to live in this world and in my body. The more I feel safe within myself and  this world, the more I live in my body and am in touch with its needs.
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Re: gender identity and n-parents
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2006, 11:36:20 PM »
Hi Sally!

Have missed you!
Hope things have been well with you...

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Re: gender identity and n-parents
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2006, 01:29:03 AM »
Hi pennyplant,
I get what you are saying completely. I think the girly girls do accept us but probably do see us as one of the men. I have a couple of friends who are similar to us and I find I get along with those girls alot. Women can get Jealous of me too. I find they are more Jealous when I dress up but when I'm casual and natural they like me better. I don't know why. I would like to understand girly girls more and speak their language but also remain who I am and still be one of the guys. Then I can have both. What I like  most about the conversations and friendships I have with males is that rarly do they come onto me. Once men get to know me, they are quite respectful and they don't view me as a sex object. My hubby gets along well with both.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml  This site is exellent, the quiz tells you if your brain thinks like a female or male. my mind thinks like a male. (but I'm still attracted to males) My hubbys brains thinks a bit of both. My hubby actually thinks more lke a female than me. No wonder he gets along well with females.

Jessica  :)