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How do you protect yourself from a dangerous N?
« on: April 20, 2006, 12:44:20 AM »
My ex and I were involved in an 18 year relationship and we lived together for 12 years.  We had acquired 3 homes together.  I had no idea that he was an N.  I didn't even know what one was.

He had always been very critical, very much a perfectionist and a detailed person.  He became very verbally abusive, but he would also act very sweet and flirtatious.

Once he broke-up with me, he expected me to be out of the house at the end of the week.  He was so cold.

He lied to me.  He tried to coerce me into drawing up an agreement of what I wanted and money he would give me to have no legal ties to me.

I outed his lie accidently.  I saw he had a lot of 1-800 numbers on his cell phone.  I called them and they seemed to be calling card numbers.  So I looked into his wallet and he had those numbers and some other numbers on a paint chip. I dialed on of the numbers expecting to get a porn chick or something like that when a lady answered.  Apparently he had met someone online who lived in Canada.  She didn't know about me and I didn't know about her.

That night I came home and he was taking my engagement ring.  The shoved his AK47 gun in my chested and threatened my life.

He continued to get more violent and stalked me.

I finally obtained a restrainging order; but it ends April 24.  His friends have continuously circled my parking lot.  His friends call me all of the time and on every holiday even Valentines Day and yes on Easter too.

He knows where I live.  He has threatened to sue me.  

I'm terrified of him.  I contactd the police 3 times on 3 different occasions. I even personally went to the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms Bureau to seek advice and no help was given to me.

I'm terrified.  I guess my main questions is how do you know when they have truly let you go or have finished with you?  He broke-up with me.

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Re: How do you protect yourself from a dangerous N?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2006, 04:22:23 PM »
W -

I am so sorry this is happening to you.  You do not deserve any of it.  I'm not sure how to respond to your question.  I know my "sicko"s actions drastically decreased when he met another woman.  He still has the desire to control me though. 

The best advice I can give is seek help from a dv shelter and get a lawyer quick.

Do not sign anything he offers you. 

It is time to have no contact with him...by e-mail, v-mail, via friends etc. 

Do you have children?

Get caller id and DO NOT ANSWER any phone calls from his "friends".  There is NOTHING they can say to you that would be good for you.  Please read up as much as you can on domestic violence and battering.

Take pictures of his friends circling your parking lot w/ the time and date stamp and start journaling EVERYTHING!  gET YOURSELF A TAPE RECORDER AS WELL and an answering machine if you don't have one.

I know this is a little scattered, but I wanted to offer some help (from experience - http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3/index.php?topic=2281.0) asap.

Take care of yourself.

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Re: How do you protect yourself from a dangerous N?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2006, 02:11:30 PM »
Dear Whipped:

I too am soooo sorry that you have to go through all of this.  It's not very nice to feel so afraid.

Is there any possible way you can get yourself to a shelter?
The people there know exactly what your situation is like and can help you through it.
I hope there is one you can go to.

This is your life at stake.  Please take care of you and go to the safest place possible.
Leave town if you must.

No money is worth what he's putting you through.  Please find a women's shelter, even if it's just for support....someone to talk with.

(((((((((((Whipped)))))))))))

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Re: How do you protect yourself from a dangerous N?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2006, 11:01:13 AM »
Dear Whipped:

I resonate with so much of what you related here. I had a similar ecperience with the violent threats and even a similar experience with the diamond ring.

What a terrible denouement to a relationship you have sustained and supported for a major portion of your life. And how uttterly incomprehensible the actions leading to its end. The psychological baggage seems enormous, baffling, even crippling.

Please don't blame yourself for not having understood that he was an N. That is a major form of protection. Seek and get competent help for yourself,while accepting that this is the price you are willing to pay to have a happy, sane future. Let him go.

Get distance of a physical and emotional nature, while you find avenues to develop new systems of emotional support. Ask a lawyer if you can extend the protection order.
Best of all, ask your family and friends for help. I agree that going to a shelter is a good strategy if he is threatening you.

N's hate to lose their source if narcisstic supply. They work very hard to manage their weird compulsion to dominate and control while simultaneously appearing normal to their acquiantances.  Sometime they have psychotic breaks, but ultimately they never do the things they threaten, because they are afraid of the consequences. Jail and social disapproval are not a good source of narcisstic supply.

Never go near him. You have to decide if battling over property is worth the exposure to his gamesmanship. Remember that a threat is just that, a threat. It only has power over you if you believe it. N's feed on disturbance, it is their mirror. If you reflect calmness and courage, it is likely to dampen his propensity for threat. A good lawyer and a good therapist can work wonders.

Most importantly, know that you are not alone. We are here to support you!

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Re: How do you protect yourself from a dangerous N?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2006, 10:45:08 AM »
I also am so so sorry this happened to you.  I had a similar situation when I divorced after 32 years.

The advice given here is good. However, I would add some things here in hoping they may help. 

Not all lawyers are helpful in protecting their clients.  Mind did not believe the danger I was in, even though I had a stalking order, a gun pointed at my head (which was denied of course!) and a terroristic threat made in front of someone. x would go through the garbage at the apartment I lived in, would pop in unannounced, called the credit card companies telling them I was mentally ill and get/try to get inforamtion. He was a better liar than I am truth teller.  I was raped.  The second time it was about to happen, I left during the night never to return.  This man filed for alimony even though he sits on millions of dollars worth of property.  However, I did not have proof of abuse early enough, and the lawyer frankly was intimidated by my x.  I divorced the personality in x which I called the old soldier...x was in war mode. 

But, perhaps telling my horrors is not really helpful.  I do this only though to let you know there are some things I know in hind sight which may help. Now, these things are about divorcing an N, but some of the information can be tailored to any separation from an N.

1) Not all lawyers are knowledgable in helping abused women or men.  Some simply do not have the reference point for it.  Search one which does.
2) You have to document! document! document!  Save and collect any evidence you need.
3) Write down dates and times of events and possible witnesses for you may need them later.
4) Get a burglar alarm which has a panic button. Believe me please, if you can afford it, it is well worth the money.  If this does not work for you for some reason, get one of those devices which you can wear around your neck which are for older people who fall. At least it will be something to use in an emergency. 
5) Keep the stalking order current. 
6) Hire a detective if possible in order to gather information.
7) Get your computer checked for implants or whatever they are to see if a program has been installed which will allow someone to monitor your computer correspondance. Along the same line, expect the computer to be supoenoed by the court.
8) Get your private papers to a safe place, which included car title, birth certificate, marriage license and what not.  Do not consider your joint safety deposit box a safe place!  You may need legal help if your papers are in a joint box, so get it!
9) Do not ever never NOT EVER believe one thing the N says ever again. However, realize others will.
10) In some states, believe it or not, you are required by law to give your living address in a deposition.  I was appalled I had to do this.  If this is the case in your state, then make sure you are able to move quickly right after giving it. 
11) While the divorce is going on, live in  place where you are not tied legally to a long term lease.  This is very important. You may need to move quickly.
12) If your family, some or all, are Ns, they may not believe you.  Horrid as this is, realize this from the beginning.  Those you are genetically connected to may not by reason of this kinship protect you and may work against you.
13) Know the law in your state about how protected your medical records are.  I had rape medical records, but had to choose not to release them due to my lawyer saying that would open a door for them to get more information about me beign on an anti-depressent for several years.
14) Most divorce laws per state are online. Read them!  There is also a series of books about divorcing in each state.  I strongly recommend you have knowledge. Forwarned is forarmed.
15. Change your phone number to unlisted.  Get the system which allows you to know who is calling. Get an anwering machine; that can be great for documentation.
16. Do NOT speak on a cell phone ever ever ever about personal information which can be used against you.  There are devices which can be bought easily which allow conversations to be monitored from a block or so away.
17. It may be necessary to change name, change jobs, change living places. Do so and do not look back if possible.
18.  It also may be necessary to determine at what point he gets his money and you get your life.  Yes, this is harsh to think about and I shutter typing it. However, I am deadly sure that if I pushed to hard to get the house, I would now be dead.  I am sure of it.
19. Find a support group.  The women's shelter would be a good place to start looking.
20. If ever your house or living place is broken into, then it is OK to assume your stalker did it, adn make arrangements to protect yourself immediately!
21. Change your credit card numbers. Alert the card companies that you have a stalking order, and they will put a watch on your accounts. 
22.  Change your habits of where you shop if necessary, where you go at night for fun, etc. 
23.  People do not like to think that one of their own is in danger.  This especially goes for families.  Well, at least in my case.  Be aware of who you tell what, for some of them will repeat what you say to the "other" party.
24. Watch out for theft and name forgery. I found this after he had already married again and it had been 7 months later!  Boy did I want to put him in jail but the judge gave him a chance to pay it back.
25. He may hire what is called a shotgun attorney.  Those are attorneys which do whatever the client wants within the legal limits of the law.  They can be ruthless. 
26. The sooner he finds another 'honey' to take your place, the better.  Mine actually married one who had my same first name, calls her the same thing he called me, etc.  However, once she moved into his picture, I was safe.
27. You will get over it.  Time is your healer.
28.  People you are friends with may not understand nor take your side.  Best is to move on, hard as it is.
29.  An abuser is desperate.  His/her actions reflect this.  Be aware.
30. As you have found out, he/she will use friends to determine your whereabouts, business, etc.  Stop this from happening as it can lead to more trouble than you can imagine.
31. Abusers have no consciousness as to right or wrong.  Whatever they want to do is right as far as they are concerned.  Law and order do not count in their minds.  Advice I can give to you on this realm is to know it, and not go there yourself. 
32. It will end at some point. TAke care of yourself!


Well, that is a lot, but I probably could think of others. 

I wish you the best.  I thougght my experience was the worst thing that could happen.  But in retrospect, the worse thing would have been for me to have stayed in that horror story. 
« Last Edit: April 30, 2006, 12:43:01 PM by Me »
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Re: How do you protect yourself from a dangerous N?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2006, 01:27:29 PM »
Just had another thought, and then I am going to walk and experience some nature.

An abuser intimidates. Boy are they good at it! They use anything and everything and everyone in their power to intimidate in order to get their way.  There are no limits to what they will do.

Some abusers kill. Some stop short of that.

The problem is, you do not know where their limit is because they do not know that themselves! 

Therefore, it is best, IMHO, to make the assumption of no limits and protect yourself legally, emotionally, and physically. 
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Re: How do you protect yourself from a dangerous N?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2006, 02:17:12 PM »
In adding to this excellent thread, i wouls like to add that appealing to a Higher Power if a great way to find inner peace. True, an abuser can go to great lengths and sometimes an N can get carried away . . .evasive actions via detachment and distance are worth the loss of property, worth the immediate sense of winning, etc . ..

if a lawyer doesn't believe you, find another lawyer, if your family or friends won't support you, find someone who will (A therapist)

no court can talk away your life or force you to engage directly with a N if you don't want to  . ..

we need tocan learn to believe that our inner strength, that our desire for good is stronger than any dark force conveyed by an N's threats . . .

everytime I was spat on, everytime i was abused i called the police  . . .(spitting is violation of one's person, and therefore it is a prosecutable instance of abuse, since abuse is defined as violationsof one's person. my lawyer advised me of this . . . ) which really did manage the behavior of my abusive spouse, a rather florid NPD. I was calm cool and insistent that the authorities act (don't be cowed by their initail reaction, most people are naturally structured to deny the existence of domestic abuse,) and they did, in the long run  . . .act, at least enough to mitigate the worst behavior

i personally felt I was being called upon to summon greater strength, greater fortitude and faith than I had ever thought myself capable  . . .

after a while he went on to find other wives, but they ended up leaving him also  . . .


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Re: How do you protect yourself from a dangerous N?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2006, 04:33:19 PM »
Whipped,

I have nothing real new to add here to this very accurate info, but I will say that I knew Jodi was done with me when I stopped corresponding with her and she stopped and moved on to the next victim.  You'll know he's done when the harassment ends.