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IamNewtoMe

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Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« on: June 09, 2006, 06:02:24 PM »
Hi folks,

I got inspiration for the title of this thread from something ReallyME said on another thread: "If you can't let go, then hold on LOOSELY"

I think I am making myself nuts.  A few weeks ago I decided to stop catering to my Nmom so much.  No contact is tempting, but I wanted to see if I can still maintain some kind of relationship with her.  She lives far away from me, and we only see eachother three or four times a year for family functions.  After I called her on mother's day this year, I decided not to call her again until she called me.  I don't mean for this to be a game, tit for tat sort of thing, but I think it's fair that she call me once in a while.  Our relationship is so unbalanced, with me giving her attention all the time (or else!).  Anyway, she has not called me.

To make matters worse, a family function is coming up, and my mom invited herself to go along.  I was supposed to visit my brother (the Golden Child who has withdrawn into workaholic lifestyle to protect himself and please N mom, I think) and his family.  My niece and nephews hardly know me, because my brother always makes it so hard for anyone to visit the last couple years (he claims to be too busy - the only excuse my  mom will accept).  she just blames his wife and me anyway.

In the past, my brother has put on this front of being so helpless, mom's impossible and he's so busy. yadda yadda.  he claims that he will make time to see me, if I can just get mom off his back.  So the triangulation begins.  I help make excuses to mom, I take the heat, tell mom that my brother just can't see any of us because he's too busy saving the world.  So I build up the Golden Child even further, my mom gets mad at me (the scapegoat, a voluntary scapegoat that time).  She didn't visit them last time because I did all this.  All the while, my brother insists he will make time for me to visit his family (as my reward for protecting him from my mom, I guess).  But he doesn't. 

So this time, my mom invited herself on the trip.  (she would need to stay with my brother or in a hotel; I am staying with my in-laws who are nearby).  She demanded that I make time for our family, insinuating that I am the one making it difficult for us to get together.  She insisted that I work with my brother, coerce him, into setting dates ("They can't do this to me!", she says).  I told her that I wanted to stay out of it, that my brother can make his own decisions.

Then my brother (through his wife, who is either a saint or an enabler, or both) tried to pull me in, too, with the usual... they have time for me, but not for mom, but the dates to see me are still in the air, they are so busy, etc...  I tried to stay out of that, too. Just told them the dates i would be in the region.  Asked them to let me know when/if they had time to see me. 

I have not called my mom in weeks, I don't know how she and my brother have resolved the situation.  All I know is that my mom is  really, really, really mad at me and I feel sick.  I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop and I literally feel nauseous.  its gets worse everyday.  I can't calm down.  My therapist suggested last week that I write a letter to my mom (the kind that is never sent) expressing my anger (in general, not about this stuff in particular).  But I can't even find my anger right now, because I am so scared.  The trip begins in one week.  I have no idea what to expect.

If others here have had similar experiences of holding on loosely, I would love to hear them and any advice you have, techniques to detach myself from this dynamic, ideas on how to maintain a relationship with my niece and nephews, etc....or just share your own personal experiences.  Would love to hear anything.  thank you.


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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2006, 06:12:23 PM »
How about letting whatever is going to happen between them happen.   When your mom asks you about your brother, tell her you don't know and to contact him.  The same with your brother.  Whatever time he has for you, meet him. But just let the rest happen.  Take care of you. Do the things you need to do to get rid of the sick feeling.  Maybe exercise or  walk?  Hot bath, trying to think of what I do and those things come to mind.  Maybe a movie on TV.  What do you think?

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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2006, 06:34:39 PM »
Hi Again....

You said your mother invited herself.  Is she going with riding with you?  She knows your staying with your in-laws, right? Next time you talk to her ask HER what arrangements she's made.  I hope you are feeling better soon.

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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2006, 08:39:34 PM »
Ditto MS's question...what are the travel plans, New?

Makes a difference in thinking of ideas how to protect yourself if you're traveling WITH her or some other relative is taking her or she's taking herself?

Hops
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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2006, 07:38:42 AM »
MountainSpring, great statements and suggestions...let your "mother" and brother OWN THEIR OWN PROBLEMS

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After I called her on mother's day this year, I decided not to call her again until she called me.  I don't mean for this to be a game, tit for tat sort of thing, but I think it's fair that she call me once in a while.  Our relationship is so unbalanced, with me giving her attention all the time (or else!).  Anyway, she has not called me.

I'm not surprised.  When you stop contacting an N, a person who seeks YOU CONTACTING THEM TO FILL THEIR NARCISSISTIC NEED FOR BEING IDOLIZED AND NEEDED, they will NOT usually contact you.  See, they aren't "in this" for YOUR benefit.  It is NOT a normal relationship going on here.  It's all about THEM, remember? 

I have an example. 

I stopped contacting Jodi, when my friend stepped in and said "just don't write to her online and see what she does."  Sure enough, I stuck with it, and I NEVER HEARD FROM JODI AGAIN AFTER THAT!  That is the difference between a healthy relationship, a dependent relationship and a narcissistic relationship.

A healthy one, if you stop contacting the person, they will wonder why, try to contact you, and try to work things out.
A dependent one, they will threaten suicide if you don't come back to them, they will panic, cling for dear life, as though you are their very breath they breathe
A Narcissistic one, when you don't contact them, they will convince themselves that they don't need you anyway, never have needed you, that YOU are the one with a problem that they don't need as "baggage" in their life after all, and finally, they may even totally decide to try and wipe you from their mind, as though you never even existed (as their own "parent" might have done to them as a child..."the silent treatment"  "i hear nothing"  "you don't exist, only I and what I want for you, for me, is what matters")

my take on all of it....my advice again...NO CONTACT if at all possible.  What is the point of going around and around with this person who shows no sign of wanting to GIVE TO YOU, and only lives to make your life miserable to the point that you are ILL.  That is crazymaking of the WORST KIND, in God's book and in mine.

~Laura

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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2006, 09:18:52 AM »
IamNew

I agree with the others.

It is not your responsibility to protect your brother from your mother.  His relationship with his mother is his problem.  Your only responsibility is taking care of yourself.

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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2006, 02:07:50 PM »
Hi New,
Sorry it took me so long to f/u.

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my mom is  really, really, really mad at me and I feel sick.  I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop and I literally feel nauseous.....  My therapist suggested last week that I write a letter to my mom (the kind that is never sent) expressing my anger (in general, not about this stuff in particular).  But I can't even find my anger right now, because I am so scared. ... I have no idea what to expect.

I have 2 ideas, I hope might help (and not being bossy this time, that was just for Jack on the other thread  :P, lucky boy).

1) read (or re-read Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl) during this trip

2) write a letter to YOURSELF. In the first part, tell yourself every single thing that is good about you, and how much you love and appreciate yourself (whether in that moment you feel it's true or not), without a single negative. Talk about ways you've been courageous. Think of incidents in your life that someone who loved you dearly would hold up to you as examples of courage and growth, and mention them in the letter. Talk to yourself in the tone that a very proud, loving, generous mother would use.
    In the second part, describe to yourself exactly how you are protecting yourself from other people's toxic emotions. Talk about the bubble, the sheild of self-love, whatever image works for you. And how very firmly and definitely you DESERVE this protection, no matter WHAT emotion anyone else is experiencing or what they have to say about themselves or you. How very much you love protecting yourself, how good about this you feel, etc.

Hope these might help, and hope the trip has happiness in it for you.
(((((New)))))

Hops
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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2006, 08:56:05 PM »
Speaking of books...again, I can't stress enough to every person on this list, if you haven't yet read Melody Beattie's books, they are second to none when it comes to dealing with healing from N-abuse.

~Laura

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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2006, 11:23:24 AM »
Hiya Iamnewtome.....

I am glad to read your Mum isn't going.... I hope you have a lovely time with your family.

Take care

H&H xx
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Now I've given a hug to u
Somehow, I feel better too!
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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2006, 12:11:16 PM »
Hi IAmNew,

I'm so glad your SIL validated you and your mom isn't going.  I hope you have a wonderful trip.

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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2006, 02:45:07 PM »
Hi New,
That is awesome! What an amazing thing.
Validation from someone who knows is incredible,
and to have it be within your family is more amazing.
I am so glad.

It might take very small steps or not be even visible for
a while with SIL and the kids...but don't worry. It's real,
it happened, and it's bound to make life feel kinder.

Have a wonderful trip.

Hops

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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
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Re: Holding on loosely for the first time and feeling sick
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2006, 03:10:05 AM »
Hi New,
Now, when you start panicking again, reread this entire thread and you will see the emotions you went through and you can follow the suggestions again and get yourself back to a level place!!!! Sometimes (often) what we anticipate is not nearly what we create in our minds!
I am so glad you are here and that you shared with us!!!!!!!
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