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Narcissist's Victims
« on: July 14, 2006, 06:49:32 PM »
Taken from medicalnewstoday.com

Narcissism Victim Syndrome, A new diagnosis?
17 Jul 2004
 
 
Do you see a preponderance of middle aged women in your practices with no particular physical disease process, yet a variety of physical and/or emotional complaints, including: insomnia, weight loss or gain, depression, anxiety, phobias, broken bones, lacerations, or bruises? Some may report an overwhelming feeling of emptiness or doom. Others may talk about or attempt suicide.

These patients are frequently rather nervous, with a guilt-ridden, anxious look and effect. They may appear restless, worried, and/or demonstrate a fake laugh that seems to hide something else.

In extreme cases they may describe sudden outbursts of rage with accompanying violence. They may have even been arrested for assault on their spouse. A few of them are men.

Who are these patients and how did they get this way? While there may be many situations with similar symptoms, it is important to recognize these may be "Victims of Narcissists" and they need your help. While narcissism itself has been a diagnosis in the DSM - IV, psychiatry's complete reference, little to nothing has been written in the medical literature surrounding those who live with the narcissist … and the torturous lives they live. And there are many of them out there.

Narcissism is a broad spectrum of behaviors. On a scale of 1 - 10, Healthy Narcissism is a one, and Pathological Narcissism, or Narcissistic Personality Disorder, (NPD) is a 10.

Healthy Narcissism is something we all can use. It's having a healthy self-esteem. It's what makes us pick ourselves up after experiencing failure and going on towards the next goal. It's what gives us the ability to help each other, and to love someone - as we already know how to love ourselves.

Yet, Pathological Narcissism is an ironic twist of this healthy state. Outwardly, it appears that these people love themselves too much - to the exclusion of anyone else. It is as if they are God himself and those around them must recognize their omnipotence, supreme knowledge, and absolute entitlement and power. Rules don't apply to them. They have an unrealistic and overblown sense of self, often without the credentials to match, as well as fantasies of unlimited power, success, and/or brilliance. They are interpersonally exploitive and have absolutely no understanding of empathy or compassion.

They are neither kind nor benevolent gods. And those who live with them end up paying the price.

While there is a range of narcissistic behaviors lying between level 1 and 10 on this scale, one doesn't need to have full-blown NPD to do incredible damage to those in the inner circle.

While victims of Narcissists are generally codependents, most have no idea how they got in this situation, because in the early stages of the relationship the Narcissistic person can be the most charming, Academy Award winning actor or actress (according to the DSM-IV, 50-75% of narcissists are men), of the century.

The early days of the dating is fast, furious, and vastly romantic. Oftentimes marriage proposals come within a few weeks. The "victim" sees the narcissist as the "Perfect Partner". She's never met someone so wonderful in her lifetime and falls head-over-heels in love. The two go on to live happily ever after - or so she thinks - until the "real" partner surfaces. The once wonderful Dr. Jekyll turns into the dangerous Mr. Hyde who quickly instills fear, anxiety, uncertainty, and total confusion to the relationship.

The change can be quick and powerful or slow and insidious.

We are all way too familiar with overt narcissists: those abusive husbands who send thousands of battered women to the emergency room each year. They feel it is their God-given right to beat, abuse, and otherwise threat their partner in whatever method they deem necessary and no one can tell them otherwise.

Then there is the verbally abusive and controlling narcissist … the one who uses emotional abuse as his weapon of choice. He tells his victim who she can see, what time she needs to be home, and when she can go to bed. Or in the case of Jamie, whose husband makes her recite every day, "I'm only worth 29 cents - the price of a bullet," he erodes her self-worth to nothing to keep her under his control.

Who else could possible want such a worthless woman as she? With that belief, she will never leave him for good, although she makes many brief attempts to do so. She always returns. The brainwashing that continues day after day is emotionally exhausting, draining, and vastly unhealthy.

Yet almost worse is the "Stealth Narcissist," so sinister and silent in his ability to drive his partner crazy that she doesn't suspect anything bad is happening until it's too late. He is the master of the little digs … "Honey, why on earth would you cook eggs in butter? NO ONE does it that way. What's wrong with you?" Or, "If you'd only do what I say then we'd both be happy."

He issues the "silent treatment" when he is slighted, punishing his family by ignoring them for hours, leaving them wondering what they did "wrong" to make him act this way. He may "forget" birthday or Christmas presents, year after year. He may show up hours late and his partner is just supposed to understand, with no explanation even offered. He may have another woman on the side and feel quite entitled to do so.

Yet, to those outside his inner kingdom he looks like a saint. He probably is president of the Rotary, volunteers at a food bank, and contributes regularly to charity … all to attain the image of being the admired Superman of his community.

No matter which type of narcissist he is, the end result is the same … a slow, insidious, breaking down of the self-esteem of his victims until there's next to nothing left, at which point, the narcissist will frequently throw his partner out in order to look for someone new and full of life to make his next target. Leaving his victim an emotional wreck wondering what she did to destroy their once "perfect" relationship.

The Narcissist himself rarely changes. After all, if you believe you're God-like, you must be perfect. Why should you change your behavior for anyone else? Yet the biggest secret is that deep inside, he loathes himself, and is desperate that no one find out who the "real" person is inside his tough, outer shell.

Victims are not only spouses. They can be coworkers, employees, children, or friends of narcissists. When the narcissist is the victim's mother, it's a difficult spot to be in, as most children (even grown children) find it almost impossible to leave the relationship. And the abuse continues for years.

However, when the narcissist is your patient's boss, coworker, or friend, it may be wise to counsel the victim to seek a new situation elsewhere to best avoid an emotional roller coaster ride that could lead to extreme health issues down the road.

How can you help those with Narcissism Victim Syndrome? First, by asking questions to determine what is going on in their environment. Health care professionals already know the effect that stress has on so many of us, but the added stress of living with a narcissist is rarely understood or recognized by the victims themselves. Knowledge is power and by asking the right questions about their situation, you might be able to help them begin to better recognize their problem and seek help.

You can help them quit being victims, quit blaming themselves for all that's wrong in their relationships, gain knowledge of this disorder, and regain their personal power. Help them to seek counseling from a therapist knowledgeable about narcissism, (not all are, and few fully understand victim issues at all - see www.helpfromsurvivors.com), in order to rebuild their shattered self-esteem and stop looking and acting like a caged animal.

Help them find hope, before years of stuffing their anger due to this abusive treatment, leads them to venting in unhealthy ways, sometimes leading to domestic violence and police intervention. Help them to stop looking like the sick one in the relationship and to start down the road of being a survivor and no longer a victim. Help them escape symptoms of depression that may, in some cases, lead to suicide.

Learn all you can about the "Narcissism Victim Syndrome". You might light a glimmer of hope for someone who's just barely hanging on for dear life.

Mary Jo Fay, RN, MSN is a national speaker, author, columnist and survivor of several narcissistic relationships. Her new book, "When Your Perfect Partner Goes Perfectly Wrong - Loving or Leaving the Narcissist in Your Life" is available at http://www.helpfromsurvivors.com or http://www.outoftheboxx.com. She can be reached at 303-841-7691.

Copyright by Mary Jo Fay, RN, MSN

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When Your "Perfect Partner" Goes Perfectly Wrong ...
Loving or Leaving the Narcissist in Your Life
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Get Out Of Your Boxx! But First Don't Forget to ...
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Re: Narcissist's Victims
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2006, 07:21:13 PM »
Thanks Magnolia.


Mary Jo gives a seminar down in Mexico (I believe), she has a newletter too, that I subscribe too since I find her funny and enlightening.  I'm curious if anyone here has attended any of her talks/seminars?

I would go myself, but I think it's geared more to women married to N's rather than adult children of Ns?  My T was telling me about another intensive weeklong retreat for codependents that is local, that I think I might like better too - if I had the motivation, courage, and could get the time off work...

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2006, 08:00:12 PM »
I praise the LORD that it's finally been given a name.

Today, at the restaurant I own, there was a black man and his wife with a little baby, not even a year old...they were both screaming at the child, who was crying due to hunger.

The couple ordered food from my restaurant, while simultaneously threatening the child with "if you don't stop I'm gonna beat your a** when we get home!"  The mother said "I don't know WHY she is crying!"  The idiot man said "cause she want her A** whooped; she's due for a beatin anyway!"

I immediately went in the back of the restaurant while my husband and daughter handled the rest of the order, to prevent me from LOSING IT AND JUMPING OVER THE COUNTER AND UTTERLY RIPPIN THE GUY APART!  I called 911, reported them both, the police came, gave em a smack on the hand and apologized for interrupting their meal.  I WAS FURIOUS and STILL AM!

The idiot guy and his ditzy b of a wife continued to berate that little baby with threats.  I could hear what they were saying to the child and then they were getting down in her face and threatening her quietly with their looks and eyes.  At one point the "mother" and I say that LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSELY, said to the baby "you better ACT YOUR AGE!!!"

I can't put into words what I feel right now over this.  I know I did the best I could do by reporting it, but the police did NOTHING!!!  That baby may be the next statistic for all I know!~!!

The idiot came up to me after it and said "can you believe someone reported me for spanking my child...they said I said I was gonna spank her!"  I said to him, "well you DID say that!"  He said "this baby?  well do you have kids?  you spank em don't ya?"  I said "that child is not old enough to be spanked though!"  He said "i never spanked her a day in her life...you kiddin, if I just smack her fingers she cries so hard she vomits!"  (I wasn't buyin it!)  So, finally he walked away.

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

~Laura

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2006, 08:38:21 PM »
Me too, I hope the naming spreads.

Laura, I am so very sorry you went through that today.
This is a wrenching, horrible thing.

You were so good and strong and right to report them. Gutsy enough to really witness.

If you see them again and can get their license plate, you can call Child Protective Services.
They willl do a home visit (unannounced) on the basis of an anonymous call. I believe it's the law that any reports of child abuse must be checked out.

Bless you (from that baby, who couldn't say so).

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2006, 01:37:33 PM »
Thanks for the info and link, Magnolia. This was how it all began with my ex- husband:

   Yet almost worse is the "Stealth Narcissist," so sinister and silent in his ability to drive his partner crazy that she doesn't suspect anything bad is happening until it's too late. He is the master of the little digs … "Honey, why on earth would you cook eggs in butter? NO ONE does it that way. What's wrong with you?"

The ambient abuse snuck up on me, until it reached the point where I recognized ... no matter how hard I tried or how much progress I made, it was never enough, and it was never right. I was never right. That's when I spoke up and the abuse became more overt... complete with physical threats.

 Here's a link to one of Sam V's articles on ambient abuse, for anyone who may be wondering about that. This very info really woke me up to some harsh realities years ago; it's where I first heard of NPD and began to stumble toward freedom. Disorientation was this particular N's method of choice. To quote Sam V, "The abuser subverts the target's focus by disagreeing with her way of perceiving the world, her judgment, the facts of her existence, by criticizing her incessantly - and by offering plausible but specious alternatives. By constantly lying, he blurs the line between reality and nightmare."

I thank God every day for bringing me out of that deadly fog.

Hope

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2006, 05:44:33 PM »
Hi ReallyMe,
This sounds awful and I'm just wondering why no one else reacted to the situation. Were any other patrons upset?  Was anyone happy that you called the police?  It's incredible that no one would stand up for an infant being screamed at!  I'm glad you did.

I'm just wondering why you mentioned the race of the man.  Was there some reason?  Were the woman and the baby black also?  Do you think that had some bearing on the situation?
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2006, 09:05:52 PM »
Plucky,

That was a good question about why I mentioned the race of the man.  I am not a racist at all...some of if not MOST of my closest friends growing up were African American children.  I guess I do distinguish behaviors with race sometimes, especially since I do know that the Black culture often tends to be rather violent and intolerant with their children for some reason, from my experience.

Other people didn't notice or didn't care that the baby was being screamed at and threatened, so no, I don't know if anyone was glad I called the Police.  Nobody actually knew I was the one who called, which was how I preferred it to be.  I don't want to be beat up or stalked myself for having made the report.

All three of the people were African Americans.

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2006, 11:17:08 PM »
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I am not a racist at all...I do know that the Black culture often tends to be rather violent and intolerant with their children for some reason, from my experience.

wow.  Do you see what is wrong with this, ReallyMe?
Do you currently have any non-white friends?  I mean real friends, not someone you work with or have as a neighbor but don't socialise. 
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2006, 03:14:04 AM »
Plucky,

Yes I have a very close, intimate black friend, actually, and even SHE screams and belittles her children.  It is in the culture, no matter what you say about it or how much you love them, most of them were raised in an aggressive environment, seeing their mothers and sisters and brothers beaten by a domineering parent...that's been shown throughout history too...why that is?  I'm not sure...displaced aggression from the slavery days maybe?  I don't know, but I've seen it for years.

~Laura

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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2006, 04:04:35 AM »
Magnolia

What a great article... the stealth narcissisist I think is the closest to describing my dad...

RM - What a horrible day for you!  I'm speechless how anyone can treat a baby like that.

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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2006, 12:07:09 PM »
ReallyMe,
That is interesting.  What other things have you observed about black culture?
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2006, 09:44:52 PM »
I think generalizations such as this are pernicious so I'm glad you said "in my experience":
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the Black culture often tends to be rather violent and intolerant with their children for some reason, from my experience

Racism is a thing that scalds my heart intensely. Even in its subtler forms. So this is difficult to say but I feel that in my town I have observed some of this too. I know I sometimes feel sad when I see young African American mothers walking with their children, and there's no contact, no handholding. I sense a lot of disengagement.

Nobody can prove this is generally true to my satisfaction, but I'm a firm believer that it CLASS differences are far greater than those of ethnicity. And I have known, and do know, many loving devoted African American parents.

I have a theory (not original). This is two things:

--depression (economic or social) dampens people's joy in their children. When you're poor and exhausted from working two jobs, it's harder to find the energy to dote and delight in your infants.

--there is much internalized self-loathing in the black culture, a direct legacy of slavery and racism. I was at the social justice Impact meeting I mentioned on another thread last night, and a teacher friend told a heartbreaking anecdote. She was working with a little boy, trying to engage him in a specific learning...and he was very sweet but didn't respond. Then he just said, naturally and with no air of pain (as though it were just part of the world like the weather): "Miss __, I can't do that, I'm not white."

When I think of the burdens still carried in the psyche...I think there is intense yearning for your children to succeed, but what if you see them over and over, generation after generation, fall deeper into poverty, hopelessness and violence?

We have 25% of African American men locked up over here!!!!

This is part irresponsibility, part hopelessness, part habitual estrangement from the optimistic american-dream vision. In inner cities especially, they are no fools. The dream's not including them, and all the money's going....

Am I ranting?  :oops:

Sorry. But you know...it's interesting the title of this thread. If you looked at a whole country/culture as N...who would be its victims?

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2006, 04:52:28 PM »
Where I live, an upper class suburb which is at least 99% white, parents seem to be afraid to actually spend time with their children.  You don’t see parents yelling at them in public;  they rarely speak at all.  Instead you see them immersed in hand-held games and sent off with peers to amuse themselves.  I spend a lot of time with my children, and the other parents constantly make comments along the lines of, ‘how can you stand it?’ and ‘I could never to do that’.  They sign their children up for every possible activity and drop them off, or a nanny does it, and in between, they have ‘play dates’ arranged so that the parents rarely actually have to be alone with their own children.  On vacation, they are entertained by a DVD or television in the car or hotel, and sent off to activities while the parents relax doing adult things. I sense a lot of disengagement.

The children show few manners or kindness towards new children in their group, and little respect for adults.  I see much bullying and rudeness.  By the time they are teens, the children have a peer group which has replaced the family in either supporting their involvement in drugs and sex, or bolstering each other as well as they can against the pressures to engage in such, and the parents know little about what they are doing, thinking, or being.

I see this all the time.  Should I wonder why American white people do not love their children or want to be close to them?  Could I suppose it can be explained by the fact that the inhabitants of the United States are descendants of criminals and outcasts in their countries of origin?  That they were also people who felt it was justified to kill and steal to obtain land and goods, and also saw nothing wrong with kidnapping and enslaving large numbers of people and subjecting them to horrific treatment in order to profit from their labour?

While we’re at it, can we come up with a construct for Asians and Africans?  Canadians?  Inuits?  Cowboys?  Hairdressers?

All it takes to create a hostile environment is for one person to express a hostile opinion, and all the others to keep quiet.

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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2006, 05:32:00 PM »
ReallyMe, with tears, THANK YOU for calling the police.  And thanks Hops for saying what you did about Child Protective Services.  And thanks Magnolia for the article.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2006, 10:04:35 PM »
Thank you, Sugarre. You're right....my response was way too soft.
The word in my reply that mattered was perniciious, but I was trying to get there slowly.

I think the word in your post that mattered most, RM, was "they".

When I hear "they"--and "their"--such as from my mom, who is unconsciously racist---my ears stand up.

It is so subtle, but that's it.
"They" means a generalization about a class or race.

Trouble is, I think, there is sometimes a germ of truth in some characteristic or other about an ethnic group. Some of the adjectives are positive and affirming or affectionate, some negative and belittling. Either way, it's terribly hard to be PC all the time because it can stifle language.

BUT. I'm with you completely when it comes to tarring everyone (any "them") of any group with the same brush.

The French have great style and understand food...and they're snobs and tolerant of adultery.
See what I mean? How can we compliment stereotypical positive characteristics and never acknowledge or address negative ones...

I guess if the negative ones were used to awaken, inspire, and rouse to action, rather than shame...

Thank you for your passionate post, Sugarre.

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