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mudpuppy

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Re: End Your Narcissism
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2006, 10:27:41 AM »
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I'm glad we have a philosopher in the house.

Gee thanks Hops. I didn't see any philosophical insights in my post but if it helped you out that's just dandy. :P :roll:

Portia,

I was reading an interview of Dawkins a few months back. Regardless of whatever the value of his arguments might be, he seemed a remarkably unpleasant and intolerant man.
I wonder whether success turns good people bad or merely reveals what was there all along.

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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2006, 10:47:36 AM »
Well Mudster dearie,
I was actually referring to Portia, whose philothought often amazes me.  :shock:  :lol:

(But now that you mention it, I think you're philosophical as well.)

I like to think, but my brain reacted to Heidegger, etc. as though I were trying to grasp a math problem. And I was so math-phobic as a kid I could work up a fainting fit over homework. I guess...logic is like math?

I could do intuition and perception pretty easily...but REASON? I do think. I even reason. I don't know the word for my synapses that don't napse. Guess I'm getting along okay with one hemisphere (can't balance my checkbook though).

 :?
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2006, 10:48:02 AM »
I think the latter, Mud

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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2006, 11:26:47 AM »
Hops, how I wish i could do spontaneous, creative, lateral, feeeeling when sometimes I just feel cold (a cold outsider). No phil'ing back there, just my incomprehension at dawkins and thinking hey, if i think this is a wind-up (memes).....maybe I should trust my instinct? (instead of thinking: oh this is some great 'thinker' I should try and understand...ha! :P)

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Regardless of whatever the value of his arguments might be, he seemed a remarkably unpleasant and intolerant man.

Wish I could see that interview. I put a lot of value by watching folks talk, first impressions and all that. Doesn't matter what they say, if they're arrogant sh*ts! I haven't seen him but in this book I'm reading I baulked at some of the words. This line for an example of condescending and superior: 

"I do not wish to steal Doctor Blackmore's thunder, for I have been privileged to see an advance copy of her book, The Meme Machine (1999)."

Now: if he doesn't wish to steal her thunder, why say so? What's the point of saying so? Aha. becasue he can mention her book before it's published - thereby taking some of the thunder for himself (he wishes), rather craftily. Showing he's her superior because she showed it to him. What BS. Fancy leaving it in the final printed book I'm reading. It's : So what? Who cares? haha.

I wonder whether success turns good people bad or merely reveals what was there all along.

I don't know. From the folks I've seen get successes, it doesn't change the okay people (maybe gets them stressed and crazy, but not immoral or bullies) but those who you know are not okay, well, they get worse and worse until they crash. 'Success' as we mean it here does have odd effects. Maybe if dawkins et al had remained relatively unknown they'd be simply.....irritating, instead of really annoying? Or maybe they would have learned a few hard lessons and got some humility along the way? Who knows?

'End Your Narcissism' is so sad/funny though.

mudpuppy

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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2006, 12:53:52 PM »
Hops,

I knew you were referring to Portia as philisophical. And BTW Heidegger was a Nazi so I don't feel too bad not being philisophical. Some of our biggest moral midgets (I know that's an oxymoron :?) have been philosophers. Seems like a good field for people wanting to think of reasons why its good to be a jerk like them.

Not that Portia is a midget or a jerk; she's probably very large, in a moral sort of way. But svelte in others. Better shut up before I get in more trouble.

BTW P, the interview I saw with RD was in a magazine.

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Re: End Your Narcissism
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2006, 09:41:45 PM »
Portia hope you laughed too because I have to tell you this line of Mr. Mud's did make me LOL...

I do think you're morally large, P! :D (But I know you get nervous about laughing emoticons so hope you didn't feel bad about old Mudsplot ... )

How do you get away with being funny and authoritarian at the same time, Mud?
HAH. Hee!

I have become quite obnoxious myself this month. Uncensored remarks at work, etc. Not giving a poo.
Do y'all think an antidepressant can make one obnoxious, or is it something I've been repressing that has to come out??

I'm supposed to be writing a SERMON and I feel about as reverent as ... dunno.

hugs,
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Re: End Your Narcissism
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2006, 10:51:09 PM »
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How do you get away with being funny and authoritarian at the same time, Mud?

I didn't know I was authoritarian. You sure you're not thinking of Heidegger, although I don't think he has a reputation for being too funny.
Authoritarian Germans from the thirties seldom do.

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2006, 11:26:03 PM »
Hmm. Nope, I've repressed Heidegger.

I think I like you enormously (well, I know that) but I also fear you a little.

Childhood training stuff. Not your fault. You're a dear, consistent, good guy.

Hops
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Re: End Your Narcissism
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2006, 09:47:22 AM »
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but I also fear you a little

I am one scary dude. :twisted:

My daughter beats me up. :lol:

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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2006, 05:37:07 PM »
Hi Guys ,
 
Tree sloths are not afraid of anything around or in the pond. :D

Mud said I have my badges and you can not have them back lol

But now that I think of it Berlin in the thirties now that might have been scary.

Moon

p.s I read Ken Wilber before he shaved his head I lost that book now what was his pompous paradigm?I forgot I was doing dishes.lol
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Re: End Your Narcissism
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2006, 06:36:16 PM »
Wall, cowpoke, Mudpup...

I know when you're not a Mudpup you're a marshmallow.
I think it's oooooold fears of judgement that carry over.

YOU, (the real you, not the stern Abraham fella) I know, are a terrific guy.
I know I'd be veryy lucky to have you for my friend.

Sorry for the confusing comment anyway, not needed and made no sense.

(((((Mud))))

Hops

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