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anony123

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Disentangled and bewildered
« on: July 24, 2006, 09:45:10 AM »
Hi gang, I have not been here for a time. I been getting my bizarro G/F out of my life.
I do think about her a lot and I do miss some of our 'goodtimes'. Toward the end, she really lost her grip. Every time I contemplate replying to one of her latest emails I tell myself." Slap yourself Jack !"  However I am not a violent guy - not even to and with myself.
Here are a few 'items' from our last days --comments would be welcome.

One Saturday, six weeks ago,I text her asking her to come dancing , She accepted. "Sure."
I text back, " You going to look stunning and gorgeous."
She replied," I am unable to come due to the implied demands in your last text."
Huh? So I called her and she smoothed out some. She turned up at the dance rather tipsy and stormed out at 9 pm because I was dancing with another lady.

Foolishly I met her for brunch the next morning.I brought up the topic of the 'walkout' and said,
 " This can't happen again, J".
She looked annoyed and said, " Your use of the word 'can't' suggests a demand. You could have said 'prefer' or even that you 'wish" it would not happen again,but 'can't' is not appropriate !"
We were playing the old semantics dodge and weave.

Two months ago she and I were walking along toward the coffee shop. I felt playful and turned to her, and pulled her gently to me and kissed her. She recoiled quite energetically and mumbled something. I was taken aback. her said that she did not like public displays of attention. I remember thinking,"Geez I will never do THAT again."
Anyways,a few weeks ago I brought up the event on a cell phone conversation with her . She said that at the time she was thinking,"This sort of kissing is 'male territory marking' behavior. I have read about it and now it is happening to me."
THAT was what she really thought!
It never occurred to her that I was just showing genuine affection.She saw it as some threat to her autonomy or independence ??

You can imagine how few problems that she and I ever resolved.
Anyone ever had to wade thru this stuff with a S/O.
Anyone ever had to live with someone whose interpretations were so grossly distorted.
I wonder what the psych majors would say?
OH, and here is the kicker. She told a ladyfriend of mine that I am too "high maintenance". Can you believe this womans gall.

Jack.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2006, 09:11:14 PM by anony123 »

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2006, 11:48:40 AM »
Hey Jack, hon,
I think you can't hear us through your hormones, dear.

I promise I'll write you more if you'll first go back and re-read everything everybody has already posted to you about this relationship...and answer some of the questions that were asked.

Does that seem fair? I'm sorry you're still stuck, and glad you brought it here.

Hops

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2006, 02:30:25 PM »
I"m fairly new here and haven't put in my .02 on this, but will wade in now, if that's o.k.   Yes, it's very hard sometimes to let go, very, very difficult.   And letting go can be a very slow process---it was for me once. There's this part of us that holds on to the memory of the fireworks and overlooks the obvious---it's not gonna work.  Sounds to me like you are slowing letting go, but  you're also hurting yourself by allowing thoughts of her and her actual presence in your life.  You are more valuable than that and you should cut her off, completely, and look instead for Mrs. Right. 

Adrift

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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2006, 02:38:54 PM »
Jack
I'm fairly new here myself but I'm going to take a risk and wade in as well.  (BTW, I am a psych major as well as a recovering individual from a variety of issues.)  I've been where you're at.  I wish I knew then what I know now and realized that I was being drawn to the "familiar" (based on family experiences) even though it was dysfunctional behaviors.  It's so hard to break that cycle, especially given the fact that I had been taught, growing up, that I was "worthless", so I felt I didn't deserve anything better.  It's a long, slow, painful process and there is no way out but through.  I keep reminding myself, "that which doesn't kill me makes me stronger!"

JMHO

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 03:52:51 PM »
hiya jack,

when I read your stories I did relate.  You described me pretty well in my relationship with my ex-husband. 

I felt that many of his actions were an attempt to let the world see how romantic, nice, good, caring, etc he was, but deep down I felt worthless.  Even his unconditional love (which was the first I'd felt it from anyone in my life) wasn't enough for me.  See, I was badly damaged by my N parents and I didn't believe I was worth all the fuss, and when someone did make a fuss, I doubted it was real.  Then, I tried desperately to put distance between myself and he, and eventually this turned into me being repulsed by him.  So, you could say I fell out of love with him, but really, I think I never learned to love myself enough, at that point in my life, to accept love and kindness from another.

Intentions are so tricky in relationships.  Some of what you've described of her behavior sound like valid attempts by her to set boundaries.  Maybe she really doesn't like public displays of affection and maybe you texting her really set her off.  Maybe she doesn't want to be thought of as beautiful and stunning, but kind and for her inside qualities.  Did you ever have conversations of this type with her?  To get to the real needs she might have had.  Thinking what someone needs and what they actually need are two entirely different things, that's one thing I had to learn the hard way.

In my current relationship, I have a need to not be treated as an object.  This need is so strong, it could rally a tornado's strength, no kidding.  So if you treated me the way you've described above, I'd recoil as well.  But every woman is unique and individual in her needs Jack, just as you are unique in yours.  So the trick to loving an individual is finding out what Her needs are - not what you believe women to need, but what this person, you're committing to love, actually needs.  You might find it to be very different than what you thought she needed.

hugs, good luck working on yourself
pb
« Last Edit: July 24, 2006, 03:57:11 PM by penelope »

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2006, 07:19:13 PM »
Hi Jack,
Everybody else gave you thoughtful, sensitive advice.  I k now I didn't, I'm sorry.

I just realized that's because I spent soooooooooo long not letting go of toxic relationships that you were reminding me of a piece of me I don't want to think about. Aha! I'm sorry for the crack about your hormones. I know it's really your heart calling out.

Fingers in ears....lalalalalalalalalala....I'm sorry I didn't hear you.

It really really IS hard to let someone go when you're getting a little bit --jsut a little bit--of what you dream of and are not yet truly convinced that you are as loveable as you truly are. Deserving of real love, not just drama.

You do deserve real, grownup love. And confidence in yourself.

Same time, I'll mention I totally felt the same as PB, about being abruptly grabbed and kissed. I think you have to tune in...see if there's a sort of humming closeness happening. Get really receptive to her signals. You may find, disappointingly, that they're not there. Or that they're minimal.

Then ask yourself...what are mine? That way you can also check on whether what you're putting out, signals wise, is real love or desire to possess. (I got them confused for so long.)

Hops
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2006, 07:28:05 PM »
I was totally baffled with your post, Jack...on one hand it sounded like you were done with the G/F and then you tell us about how you asked her out?  I don't get it.  Is it over or not?

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2006, 07:48:51 PM »
Hops,

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Everybody else gave you thoughtful, sensitive advice.  I k now I didn't, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry that you decided to backpeddle on this as I thought your original response was right on and said exactly the same thing I was going to say. 

Jack, you do need to go back and read the responses to your earlier posts.  There is some valuable information in there that, at the time, you apparently didn't listen to.  Maybe you are ready now??

Brigid

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2006, 08:17:45 PM »
(((Brigid))) you are a woman of character and substance.

I am a wuss and couldn't stand being mean.

However, thank you!

Tell you what, Jack.

I meant both of them!

hugs,
Hops
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anony123

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2006, 08:18:32 PM »
Ladies- a couple of points.

Firstly we have not been together for four weeks. If you read my last post you will note that I say "One Saturday.." not "ON Saturday...." (That Saturday was SIX weeks ago)

Secondly, I did not "abruptly grab her ... " READ MY POST PLEASE !!

Thirdly, a woman who  recoils from genuine affection from her guy is in some kind of bad place and its a place that I do not want to share.
Lastly, I posted because I wanted some light hearted comments re. her twisted perceptions. I did not need to be hammered and scolded by Hops or anyone else. I know what I need to do but that does not exclude my posting in a way that I thought would help me focus on her negative qualities.


Thank you to those of you who "got" it.
Jack.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2006, 08:22:37 PM by anony123 »

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2006, 08:24:05 PM »
Hey. You're sticking up for yourself.

That sounds pretty good, Jack.

I did mean the sorry one, too.

Hops
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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2006, 09:08:51 PM »
Maybe those of you who "know" so righteously what all of us need, should stop and ASK yourself whether a stern 'lecture' from a stranger on an internet forum would have been helpful to you.
Sometimes we 'broken ones' just need to be heard rather than 'corrected'.

Jack.

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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2006, 09:10:38 PM »
Jack,

I am sorry.

Forgive me?

Hops
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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2006, 09:15:26 PM »
Yeah, you are cool Hops,

The contents of your advice is good for the most part,except sometimes it come wrapped in razor wire...Jack.

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Re: Disentangled and bewildered
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2006, 09:28:43 PM »
((((((Jack, gently))))))

Hops
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