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Laura's Upbringing...for whomever wanted to know
« on: August 17, 2006, 09:24:55 PM »
Hello

I have been part of this board for as long as I can remember...seems like forever...and I feel rather close to most of the people here, so I thank you for that warm feeling.

Along the way, I have read about people's parents and families and I felt it would be good for me to tell ya'll about my upbringing too, so maybe you could understand me and where I'm "coming from" at times, a bit better.

Though I was not raised by N parents, I was raised in a home where appearances to the public were pretty important to my mother and, later after her remarriage, her 2nd husband, my step dad.

I was raised in a religious home, where we all went to church on Sundays and then cussed like sailors during the week, especially exhibiting jealousy at the dinner table right after the church mass (service).  I was Catholic, and in my Italian Catholic family, everyone hugs and kisses and cusses and criticizes...everyone tries to "one-up" each other, bragging about the various accomplishments of their children and their children's children, to a point that you know someone is always ahead and better than you...and it's up to you to measure up to whomever is talked about being at the "highest standard" or else you will hear, "why can't you be more like your cousin?  D is soooooooooooo beautiful...how about we do your hair like hers?  You'd like that, wouldn't you?"

Pet peeve:  This makes me wanna literally SLAP some parent across the mouth for even uttering it...
"Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you don't wanna do thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.  Climb this smaller tree, you don't wanna fall now, Jilly."  HOW THE H*** do THEY know what Jilly WANTS to do?  THAT IS A PROJECTION!  and it is WRONG and STINKS!

ok back to my back ground ...my mother told me sex was something you have with someone you think you might like to marry.  No boundaries about it were ever taught to me.  The actual act I had to learn about through a dirty joke about "Mommy's headlights and Daddy's snake in the grass"  I was SHOCKED when I realized what the heck sex even was!  I can remember toying with my mother's contraceptive foam and wondering about the weird top it had on it...but when I asked, she would say "I"ll explain when you're older!"  So OLDER to me became the DRIVE to ACHIEVE in my life...I had to get OLDER cause OLDER people get to "know" about things and have their questions answered right away.

My mother was probably and IS probably one of the most JUDGEMENTAL, CRITICAL people I have ever known, and she taught me how to be the same way, which is what I constantly battle due to having such a choleric temperament where people's ignorance bothers me anyway.

 My spiritual Mom has really helped me learn about compassion and mercy in my life toward others.

My mother's choice of discipline was a bar of soap brushed across the teeth, being sent to the bedroom or being shunned and ignored.  ( I HATE SHUNNING!)

When my step dad came along, his form of abuse was "the white rag technique" in which every windowsill in the house needed to have no dust on it before my brother and I could play outside...the beatings-  I was mouthy and rebellious and resentful of my mother marrying a workaholic, ocd perfectionist...so I'd fight him with my words and later with my fists and feet too.  It ended up in my nose being broken when I was slung into a wall by him, me running away, cutting, and finally forgiving my step-father and living with my grandparents.

My step father was abused severely as a child and it damaged his brain big time!  He usually was fun, doing magic tricks, telling jokes and giving the strangest types of gifts to people...things packed in cigarette wrappers, used Barbie dolls, Popeye Bubble Gum from 1920 somethin, clothes that didn't fit...he had obvious "issues" that were later diagnosed as schizophrenia, paranoia and ocd and ocpd. 

For me, having saturday come and go without being able to play cause chores weren't good enough and took all day, was a normal thing.  My brother and I would literally SNEAK out of the house to go run to the playground if my dad was not home (insurance agents are often on the road, selling). 

We lived in a house with junk piled super high in the middle of the rooms.  My step dad made us work like literal slaves, mocking us if we didn't do a job "right" and punishing us for doing anything he suspected as being wrong.  The weird thing I did not notice till years later, was that he expected us to be perfect in chores, yet he was the biggest slob, cause he never threw anything away at all...I mean ANYTHING...gum wrappers, the wrappers inside the wrappers, chewed gum to boot!

I had a very distorted childhood in which fantasy played a big part.  I lived as Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Charo, whomever...anything to escape the confusion of things I could not understand and nobody could explain to me.

I remember times my mother cried when my step father whacked my brother and knocked the lens of his glasses out towards his eye...she screamed "GOD D***** John, you could have knocked his eye out!"  But when I would ask my mother why she stayed with my step father, she would say "Laura, it's all gonna work out.  YOu just need to stop talking back to him.  YOu know how he gets!"  Yeah, I knew, but I also knew that HE was the one PROVOKING me to anger in the first place.  Even from a young age, I learned to HATE INJUSTICE, and I do to this very day!

I learned to hate my mother for a long time too, for staying with someone who would not allow me to ever have fun or be a child.  In public, at his mother's people saw my depression as a kid...his sisters would comment to him about it, his mother did too...he just brushed it off and told me to help grandma clean the table.  I never felt like much of what I had to say was taken seriously

My step father watched horror movies at night...like Friday the 13th and Carrie, etc...which terrified me.  IF I wouldnt' sit on the floor at the bottom of his bed though, and watch them, he would mock me, calling me a big baby, telling me it's not real, etc.  I felt like I always had to PROVE things to him, so I'd watch the shows and my mom would say "Laura, it's ok you don't have to watch this."  I'd say "No, I'm GOING TO"  and I'd sit there till the end, watching heads roll, hearing screams and saws and knives, etc till finally I'd run in my room and cry myself to sleep in fear and nightterrors.  Again, I kept not understanding why she stayed with this man.

soooooooooooo much happened to me in my childhood, but it was not due to narcissism, it was due to family secrets that were kept, appearances that were faked, abuse that was hidden (not by me though...I always TOLD someone what was happening, yet they would not do anything to stop it)  I lived a bunch of years that I don't remember a lot about, other than the key points that so damaged a lot of my future life up to this point.

As time went on, I latched onto teachers, pastors, friends, always seeking to fill a void inside me that was never filled with healthy relationships.

Thankfully, today I can say, after God's deliverance, COdep Anonymous groups, books I read, people I've talked to for hours, and a very strong, determined mind and will to not only help others but to stay healthy myself, I am ReallyME, Laura

***I'd be happy to answer any questions as long as they are asked one at a time, otherwise I feel overwhelmed and not sure where to begin.  Is that ok?

Thank you for reading this if you did.  I really appreciate that someone wants to understand me, based on where I came from.




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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2006, 09:35:42 PM »
Oh Laura.
I am so terribly sorry about what you lived through.
No wonder you blanked out on part of it...what you remember is bad enough.
Your stepfather a near-monster and your mother a coward. And you beaten and psychologically tortured.

I am sorry these people didn't have the courage of the convictions they mouthed. That hypocrisy, especially among the outwardly pious, is a real spirit-killer for children. It didn't work.

YOU HAVE SPIRIT, Laura.

Bless you for the way you grow and try to help other people, and for how passionately you care about abused children.

Sweet dreams to you tonight.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 09:37:32 PM »
Hi Laura,
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soooooooooooo much happened to me in my childhood, but it was not due to narcissism, it was due to family secrets that were kept, appearances that were faked, abuse that was hidden


I am sorry.  That is hard.

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not by me though...I always TOLD someone what was happening, yet they would not do anything to stop it

Do you mean that you told your Mom about stepdad?

I can relate to the piles of stuff all over the house and the OCD parent (Mom is one), and not wanting to throw anything out, and chores all day on Sat.  Not a way to be a kid, I agree.

(((((((((((((((((((((((((laura)))))))))))))))))))))))))

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2006, 09:41:31 PM »
Laura, you really are quite a survivor.  It seems like it was relentless.  I give you a lot of credit for going to other people and trying to get them to listen and help.  I rarely tried to do that.  You must have retained some sense of trust through all of it to be able to keep telling others and asking for help.

Thank you for telling your story.

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2006, 09:45:58 PM »
Not much of a childhood, Laura. And I can relate to many of the things you mentioned... the piles of junk, the needing to do chores and never getting to relax or enjoy yourself.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. It's always amazing to me how much alike we all are... when I always thought I was the only one.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2006, 12:07:45 AM »
So sorry RM/Laura for all the abuse you endured as a child.  No child should have to live through all of that.  It sounds like it must have been quite awful and for your brother too.  Are you close with him now?  Just wondering if you are a support person for eachother.

Thanks for sharing about this.  (((((((((RM/Laura)))))))))

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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2006, 12:44:03 AM »
Laura ,

So many parents do not even think about the effects they are having on their children.

Thank you for feeling so close to share your feelings.

I am glad you are strong and have overcome so much .I admire that in you I ALWAYS have................................


Love to you Laura,

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2006, 01:05:37 AM »
Wow.  Laura, thank you for sharing all this.  It was AWFUL.  No child should have to live this way.

It is good to get some understanding of what motivates you.  I am glad you decided to write this all down for us and share it.  I know it is not easy, in some ways it is painful and some ways cathartic. 

It is heartening that you are up on this board improving your life every day and facing up to these issues.   

I can relate to doing chores all the time in the midst of clutter and never having fun as a child.    And much more of the general terror of living in what is essentially an unsafe household.

The way I heal my childhood, is by trying to make sure my own children have a wonderful one.   I can sort of relive and rewrite my childhood with them.  It is work to not inflict what I lived on them, and it is healing to see that I can avoid that.

I don't have any questions....just thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2006, 06:43:29 AM »
(((((((((((Laura)))))))))))))

Thank you for sharing.... I'm so sorry little laura didn't have the childhood she deserved, that she wasn't loved and cherished and she deserved to be.

YOu just need to stop talking back to him.  YOu know how he gets!"
My stepdad used to say this kind of thing about my Mum... why do you resist her, it only makes it worse, you know what she's like. 

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2006, 08:05:20 AM »
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Do you mean that you told your Mom about stepdad?

Yes, I told her about him, but she also SAW it all.  I have a feeling he was threatening and abusive to her too, and said things like my own husband has said to me, like "you couldn't make it without me.  you are nothin without me."  She just felt helpless to stop him, till 13 years later when she finally divorced him.


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 It sounds like it must have been quite awful and for your brother too.  Are you close with him now?

I don't know if I'd say I'm close with him.  He lives in NY, I live in IL.  He is Catholic, I'm non-denom, so we dont' have our beliefs in common reallly.  He and I laugh together when we are together if I visit, and throughout the abuse, he was the one who believed in me and talked to me about the "unreality" we were experiencing.  He and I both knew things did not seem normal, so we were a team against injustice in our family, secretly.  Sometimes we would spy on my step father around the corner of the rooms, and whisper to each other..."look how he is on the phone with people, all friendly, but then gets off and acts crazy with us."  or we'd grab hands and dash out the door, down the street, before he had a chance to check our chores with his white glove...

I'd whisper across to the other doorway to my brother, "Is the coast clear?"  He'd say "yeah" and we'd RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN or hop on our bikes and RIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe to the playground before he saw us leave...cause if he saw us near the door or the stairs, the interrogation began, "Where ya goin?  Why?  How long you gonna be there?  Who ya gonna meet there? What you gonna be doing?  When you coming back?"

He even did this when I was heading upstairs to my bedroom.  To this day I absolutely HATE it when I'm going to something fun and someone asks me " when will it be over?"  I look at them and say "Can't you just let things happen?  Why do you need to TIME everything?"
I cannot stand being with OCD people.  It makes me feel like shaking them.

~Laura

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2006, 09:46:25 AM »
Hiya RM/Laura (I like both your names so that's why I keep using them.  Hope you don't mind. If you do, let me know.)

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He and I laugh together when we are together if I visit

This sounds a bit sad to me.  Almost like you only have a relationship because you bother to have one with him?  No discussing serious issues.  No comfort/support for eachother.  Just a pleasant little visit with an old acquaintance, kinda thingy??

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he was the one who believed in me and talked to me about the "unreality" we were experiencing

I'm so glad he was there for you!  At least you didn't have to grow up alone in such a crazy place.  At least someone believed in you and that must have been a great help?  Maybe I'm mistaken and he still discusses stuff with you about all that happened?

Oh oh.  Too many question marks.  I can see what you mean about interrogation and why too many questions might be upsetting/uncomfortable for you.  Some of the question marks are because I don't like to make statements, as if they are fact some times.  For example:

Almost like you only have a relationship because you bother to have one with him?

This was the message it seemed was implied by your statement "if I visit".  However, I don't want to assume this without first sort of rewording and giving you a chance to confirm/alter/deny type of thing.  Hope that makes sense.  I'm not trying to ask a zillion questions but rather trying to be sure not to make incorrect assumptions.  So I hope you won't feel I'm interrogating you.  I can see how it would be easy for you to feel that way and that's not what I want.

I'm away now for a few days and I'll look back here when I return.  Have a great week end all!!

 :D Sela

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2006, 10:20:44 AM »
Hi Laura,

  I just want to say that I feel as though I just met you and that is a pleasure. Thank you for introducing yourself in this way... for taking the time and making the effort to step forward and share such a big part of who you are. I see that you have some questions to field so I'll check back later. I hope you're having a good Friday and will be able to take a break this weekend and get some relaxation time! I think we'll be doing some fishing, which is one of my favorite ways to chill out. Talk with you later.

With love,
Hope

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2006, 11:50:06 PM »
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He and I laugh together when we are together if I visit

This sounds a bit sad to me.  Almost like you only have a relationship because you bother to have one with him?  No discussing serious issues.  No comfort/support for eachother.  Just a pleasant little visit with an old acquaintance, kinda thingy??

My brother and I can talk about anything.  ALways could.  After step dad died a few years ago, my brother and I and all of us discussed what went on in our childhoods or lack thereof.  We were able to joke about some things and apologize to each other for some others.  IT was a time of healing.  The family was so glad I went home for the funeral, etc, and to clean out his 8 garages full of stuff he had saved for 7 years!

My mother was thrilled at my humor, as I imitated some of the exact words my step dad used to say to us.  We all really had a good time, in spite of the sadness of losing him...toward the end, when we knew he was sick, pity began coming into the picture, so we thought of the good times and will miss him for those.

~Laura

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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2006, 06:35:27 PM »
Hi Laura,

   Just wanted to say that I really like the way you describe your relationship with your brother. It sounds so... completed!
Maybe because of the forgiveness and acceptance I hear in your story ... I can sense the peace.

I hope you're having a wonderful weekend.

Love,
Hope

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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2006, 08:59:25 PM »
yes, you are lucky laura.  I do not have any relationships like that with my siblings anymore...I did when we were younger but they're all poisoned now.   :(  I am very sad about it.

(((((((((((((laura)))))))))))

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