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Lily_

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Ndad – What would you do?
« on: September 09, 2006, 09:04:43 PM »
My dad’s 70th birthday is coming up.  I haven’t spoken to my parents in almost 3 months and it’s been wonderful for my sanity.  I’m not sure how to handle his birthday though – should I send a card, etc.,?

A bit of background on the recent situation:  I chose not to speak to my mom after a stunt she pulled just before my birthday (hers is two days after mine).  She was angry that I wasn’t throwing a big party for us (read: her) and was livid that hubby and I were celebrating with a little getaway for ourselves.   Anyways, she went around telling our extended family and that I promised her a party and some expensive handbag and that I decided at the last second to be selfish and spend all my money on myself when she was the one that deserved it...and on and on.  When the news got back to me, I had enough and decided to cut her out.

(BTW, growing up I was the parentified overachiever and compliant child.  My sister on the other hand is the ignored child (dad wants nothing to do with her since she has a learning disability) and sadly she’s been behaving more like my mother which worries me deeply. )

Now my dad:  Two weeks before my birthday he leaves a drunken message wishing me a happy 25th (I’m 29 – my entire life he’s never bothered to remember my age or what grade I was in).  So anyways, my 19 year old sister calls me that afternoon and I jokingly tell her about the message – no big deal, it’s dad – we’re used to it.  Two days before my birthday he gives me another call when I’m home and he says he was just joking about saying I was 25 and that he knows I have “issues with growing old” (?!) and was just trying to be funny about it.  But regardless, he was calling me now to “get it out of the way”.  He goes on to say that I make enough money so he doesn’t need to buy me a gift and he doesn’t have my address, so he can’t send a card.  Whatever, I don’t want his gifts since they’re always horrible (typical N behaviour I know).  I tell him that I’m away on business for the next two weeks and that I’m not taking personal calls on my cell during then (his calls are always the same: to tell me the news headlines, how bored he is, how mom has screwed him over and how horrible it is to be old).  He asks me where I’m going and when he finds out that I’m headed to NY & LA, he says I shouldn’t be travelling alone and I should bring him along for safety (again, he’s pushing 70 – an umbrella provides better protection).  I tell him I’m fine, I’ve done this before tons of times, blah, blah. 

The morning I land in LA, my cell rings.  It’s dad calling.  I resolve that I’m not answering it.  I've set my boundaries and told him not to call so I’m not giving in.  5 minutes later it rings again.  And then 15 minutes after that.  That day alone he called 30+ times.  I check in with my husband and nope, no one died as far as he knew.  For six days, he kept calling and calling without any message.  Finally, the calls stopped.  And that was the last I heard from him.  I have nothing to say to him or mom, so I haven’t bothered trying to get in touch.  I resolved at the time that they were too toxic for me, not learning until a month later about narcissism.  I hear from my sister on occasion so that’s enough family for me.

So now back to the question:  Do I bother acknowledging his birthday?  Hubby says no – he likes the silence (lol).  One part of me thinks a card is sufficient.  The other part thinks I’m feeding into his N if I bother.  I dunno, maybe send him a happy “80th” card two weeks after his birthday as a compromise?  :D  I know that’ll tick him off.   Suggestions?  How do you guys handle birthdays and holidays with N people?

Lily

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Re: Ndad – What would you do?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2006, 09:15:24 PM »
No.

Why do you want to send him a card? The issue is not what he did to you, but what you want and need. You need not to hear from him 30 times in one day. You need to not be repeatedly hurt. You need the wonderful peace you've been enjoying. A card might start him up again. Argh. No.

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Re: Ndad – What would you do?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2006, 09:21:58 PM »
Lily -
That's difficult to me but this is what I suggest:  without trying to predict the future, what would make YOU feel good - to do nothing or to send a card.  The place I ave always been in trouble in the gift giving area is trying to please them.  What would please you?  I may be projecting my own answer, but something in your statement makes me sense that you would feel better doing something to acknowledge his birthday.  A card saves the problem of contact that a phone call would get into. 

Whatever you do make sure you are comfortable with it. 

Yours - Gaining Strength

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Re: Ndad – What would you do?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2006, 09:35:54 PM »
Hi Gaining:

This is all so new for me.  I'm so used to being the one who breaks the silence, the one who turns the other cheek, the one who ignores the putdowns - that it's hard for me to be "mean", so to speak.  I'm totally different at work, with my friends, my husband - I've long since learned to have a voice and set boundaries with other people, but with my parents I cave.

Maybe this situation is more important for me than I realize.  I think it's natural for me to feel bad if I didn't acknowledge his birthday.  But I do know that I don't want to cave in again.

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2006, 09:38:07 PM »
Hi Lily,

  I stopped sending cards altogether for several years, but have recently resumed. I dunno... the silence aspect appeals to me, but personally, I've felt better since I sent something for each of my parents' bdays this summer. I'm in agreement with Gaining Strength... you should do what will give you the most peace and joy. If your decision precipitates another round of phone calls, you can always ignore those, I guess. My mother is mild compared to yours, I think, but she didn't even bother to call after she got my mail. If you think you can deal with the aftermath and hold firm on boundaries then... well, it'd be good practice?
Good luck!

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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2006, 09:40:06 PM »
This is tough and I can relate because I have been there.  In my case, I have a mother who is narcissistic.  For quite a number of years, now, I have chosen not to call or send a card on her birthday or on Mother's Day.  This caused me tremendous grief and shame in the beginning because I felt like I was a bad person for not acknowledging these occasions.  But, to acknowledge them seemed so phony and untruthful I finally got to a point I could live better with the grief and shame.  As the years have passed she does not expect anything and she has ceased sending me cards or calling, as well, on special occasions.  This is fine because my perception of these acts was that they were all a sham, anyway.  

I cannot tell you what to do, but I would ask you why you have put so much energy into avoiding your father, yet you are flirting with the idea of re-initiating some contact.  Why?  I think you will be able to make a more clear decision if you can uncover what it is in you that is motivating this.  I think GS is right.  How would contacting or not contacting make you feel?  What are your expectations if you send a card?  What are your expectations if you call?  What scenario do you foresee if you choose silence?  How would you feel about that scenario?

Dig deep and try to figure out what is prompting this.  The answers will become clear as you indentify the triggers.  You will be okay...   :)  

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Re: Ndad – What would you do?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2006, 12:07:06 AM »
Hi Lily,
Your Dad's calling sounds out of control and compulsive. Is it possible there's dementia too?
Sorry you have to balance this, Lily. It annoys me that your sister has fed the drama, but she's pretty young and may not know better.

It's tough to know what to do...these rituals have deep ripples. My anecdote has nothing to do with you and your Dad, but if you don't mind me sharing a tale...

For a year or so, years ago, my daughter ignored my birthday and Mother's Day. I have to tell the truth: it hurt a lot. (She doesn't any more...)

She said well, when I was little, you once told me that you didn't care about Hallmark occasions, etc.. That's true. BUT. So I explained..."Even if this sounds non-spontaneous, I really do want a simple gift for my birthday, and Mother's Day card. Even if that means I've caved to the Hallmark culture, I'm human...I found out it really does matter to me. And I want it wrapped with a bow!"

I've gotten thoughtful bday gifts from her ever since. (But I had to teach her how to give a present...another reason I worried about Nish tendencies in her...she didn't get the pleasure of gift giving...?)

I think one reason it began to matter to me so much was that she announced at about 19 that she wasn't going to celebrate Christmas. More declaration of independence. I was heist on me own petard because I'd raised her with total freedom about religion. So year after year I had to fend off my mother's anxious hurt questions about whether D was coming for Xmas, and mom's drama over her boycott was huge...so my own sadness about being a single parent without her child at that time of year, etc, etc...

So, I still have some sympathy for the urge both toward and away from cultural rituals. It's been many years since I've had Christmas morning with my child. (I don't blame her from retreating because my Nish mother made the rituals so rigid that it was horrid...but I got lost in the triangle.)

None of that helps you a bit deciding what to do, Lily...I agree with everyone who says to trust yourself, whatever your decision. (But you'll see...you've inspired me to start another thread.)

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Re: Ndad – What would you do?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2006, 12:28:34 AM »
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my entire life he’s never bothered to remember my age or what grade I was in...Two days before my birthday he gives me another call when I’m home and he says he was just joking about saying I was 25 and that he knows I have “issues with growing old” (?!) and was just trying to be funny about it.  But regardless, he was calling me now to “get it out of the way”.  He goes on to say that I make enough money so he doesn’t need to buy me a gift and he doesn’t have my address, so he can’t send a card.  Whatever, I don’t want his gifts since they’re always horrible (typical N behaviour I know).

Well, I am tempted to say, juist pretend you forgot his birthday and don't know his address!  Or at least give him a horrible gift.
On the other hand, he sounds a lot like my (dead N) father, and I never was able to detach to that extent.  I always did something, but I scaled it down considerably when my friends pointed out that it was not normal that he didn't know when my birthday was, never gave me a new or even decent gift for Christmas, and only sent me one card in his life.

After he died, I at least did not feel guilty about anything in the way I treated him.  On the other hand, the way I treated myself in this left a lot to be desired.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2006, 12:32:09 AM »
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I dunno, maybe send him a happy “80th” card two weeks after his birthday as a compromise?  Very Happy  I know that’ll tick him off. 
Maybe you can think about why you even came up with this suggestion.  Remember, he has much better ammunition to lash out at you than you do at him.  If he were a normal parent, you would have an inroad into his heart.  As it is, only he has an inroadi into your heart, since you were interacting with him as a child and he formed some of your personality.
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2006, 11:05:50 AM »
Hi Plucky,

Sending him a happy 80th card was actually meant as a joke (hence the smiley face).  I couldn't be bothered putting that much effort into ticking him off since you're right - he's much better at it, and I know something like that would backfire in the worst way.

Hugs,
Lily

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2006, 01:45:13 PM »
hi lily,

Welcome.

This is so characteristic of Ns:

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He goes on to say that I make enough money so he doesn’t need to buy me a gift and he doesn’t have my address, so he can’t send a card.


My N parents pull the same crap, it's classic and so predictable.  Don't fall for their game!  You are better off without them.  Have you talked to a T about this?

One of the things I was overjoyed to hear was that my N Mom has somehow "lost" my phone number.  YEAH! is all I can say.  I guess my brother emailed her recently to ask for it, he got an earful back and the wrong number too.  I laughed, cause she called me on this same number awhile back, I have not changed my phone number.  So, they are now caught up in their own lies and their game.  I've been throwing her letters out without reading them (so I know she still has my address) but she cannot call now, else the lie that she doesn't have my number anymore will be exposed to my siblings - and she can't have people thinking she's a liar.  It's such a big drama, what a way to spend one's time.   :shock:  Personally, I have better things to do.  Don't you think spending some time on yourself would be better than continually catering to these Ns, who will never be satisfied?  I have Zero guilt/shame about ignoring them.  As far as I'm concerned they asked for it and deserve it.  I've been physically attacked by my N Mom as an adult, and slandered by both parents...  I have no desire to get revenge (the 80th b-day card joke sounded a bit like giving them a taste of their own medicine?).  I can sleep at night knowing I am nothing like them.  Something like the b-day card would make my parents happy - they're Ns - when people act as bad as they do, they just feel validated.  So I would never give them that satisfaction of stooping to their level.

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