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Women and finances after divorce
« on: September 29, 2006, 05:35:54 PM »
yesterday I made a list of where I am at with making practical arrangements:

organise a credit rating, which I don't have because I had no SS number until 6 months ago.
Find Health and dental insurance.
Buy a house ( with no credit rating )
Build up my business & earn a living. But not let it interfere with my parenting responsibilities.
Fill out the forms for my divorce.
Swap all the car insurance, utilities etc into my own name.

It looks sort-of daunting, but I am finding people are very helpful at coming up with creative suggestions for circumventing the difficulties, which has given me a new energy, also I am not pressurirising myself- if I can organise one thing a day that's cool. Since I took the pressure off I have found I'm beign less avoidant and more positive.

If anyone has any suggestions here about practical things which worked for them I'd love to know, also-

did you feel as disempowered as I have to have to begin all over with this stuff?

If I had known and been more organised I could have pre-planned a bit better, for example have taken a loan in my name, changed over the utilities sooner, etc.

I don't know how I would cope if my ex wasn't being helpful.

Is there a good book on all this?

Why do women get so financially disempowered in this day and age?

WRITE

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2006, 06:44:19 PM »
thanks Lupine. I'll check out the site.
 
I'm not keen on engaging a lawyer for any of it, I feel like I have to deal with my ex myself.
He's in weekly therapy and doing better, we're going to do family therapy down the road to keep things on track and heal some of the wounds.
The blips are getting further and further apart!

I don't run up debts and I save every month and have enough to live on and the potential to earn more- really I'm no more or less vulnerable than anyone else.

It's practicalities I don't know much about- finding insurances and what to look out for, budgeting for the occasional or emergency bills, taxes, building a credit rating.

It's not like me to hand all this stuff over like I did in my marriage, but I did, and now I want to be able to do it all myself!!!

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2006, 11:16:59 PM »
Hi Write,
you might find out that havign no credit rating just means you have an excellent drecit rating! They do look for negative experiences, of which you have had none!
Good luck
Plucky

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2006, 12:14:26 AM »
Thanks Plucky, I hope so!

I applied for a credit card just to see what happens and it took ages and then came back- we cannot find enough information.

I did swap the electricity to my name this evening.
And the house I looked at is too expensive but the lady was really nice and said she'd try to find me another.

I made two lists: big stuff and little stuff, they are both long but if I tackle a bit each day I can see them getting organised.

Had a weary week, another busy one coming up.
I'm enjoying doing my invoices though- more than double last month.
Time for a rosemary oil bath and a good sleep!


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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2006, 01:09:47 AM »
Dear Write,

    Crown Financial Ministries website has a free tool called "Money Map" which might help with your budgeting... I have not tried the new improved version, tho. Just wanted to wish you the best with your organizing and planning! One piece at a time, you'll get those to-do-lists cleared away.

Might you consider renting at first rather than purchasing a home? Or possibly a condo with minimal maintenance?  I'm thinking of all the equipment failures which can make home ownership such a pleasure ~ not! At least for starters, it might be more peaceful for you to not be concerned about hot water heater, furnace, electrical type stuff. Oh! But if you buy, don't forget a thorough home inspection by a qualified inspector... well worth the investment.

Blessings, Write
and hugs,
Hope

WRITE

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2006, 10:16:30 AM »
thanks CH. I'll check that out too.

I think it's just feeling overwhelming because I've never done any of it before.

My ex says he'll show me how to do taxes and a friend is going to show me how to do the divorce forms.

I'm renting now, but it's not optimal because it leaves me with nothing to save towards buying!
I need to rent cheaper or just jump in and buy.
I have to stay close by here if my son is staying with this school district ( and he wants to ) but there is a chance my ex can buy the house in this area then I can look further afield.


It's helped to get it all down though- I can see how I am working towards resolution even if it's going to be longer in coming!

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2006, 12:26:37 PM »
Hi again, Write... you're welcome.

It sure does help to map out plans and consider all the options, pros and cons.

Thinking of you, I found an article re: whether to buy or rent...   

http://www.kiplinger.com/personalfinance/columns/starting/archive/2005/st0714.htm

The Kiplinger website may help out with some other info re: financial considerations, as well. I hope so  :)

Hope

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 01:58:44 PM »
Hi Write,
I have been doing my taxes for free for a few years. If you go to www.irs.gov they have a free taxes program you can do, and it's so automated it guides you through. And your state.go website will likely have free software so you can do your state taxes online too.

(When you do the free federal one--they give you a selection of providers, I usually choose H&R Block's free program--the trick is simply NOT to accept their offer of doing your state taxes for a fee at the end. Just decline and finish. Then go to your state website to do your state taxes free on that site.)

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2006, 09:07:17 PM »
Thank you both, this is all so helpful.

I don't like feeling helpless!

Everything practical came closer into focus this week, I am not going to avoid these things, I am going to deal with them one at a time.

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2006, 07:00:38 PM »
Write,
I just want to give you a couple of warnings as you move through this process.  I have 4 good friends who either did not use their own attorneys, or the ones they did use, did not do a good job for them.  In most cases, the women were mostly in a state of shock while fumbling through the divorce and were willing to give up many things just to have it be over.

I can't remember how long you said you have been married to your h (I think I remember something about marriage, divorce and remarriage--but maybe I'm confusing you with someone else).  The husband will always be as nice and helpful as possible during the time immediately preceeding the divorce, but once the decree is in place and there is no chance of changing it, they can become quite nasty--or at least difficult.  Every one of my friends had good jobs when their marriages ended, but they are all struggling financially now.  Some are fighting to get help with their children's educations, some can't afford to have a home in our area where their children are in school, some are losing income due to industry cutbacks and insurance costs are through the roof.

These are all women who are now in their later 40's to mid-50's.  They still have a lot of life to live and their ability to save for the future is minimal.  None of them are in stable relationships even after being divorced for a number of years (hence, no man is coming to their rescue).

Anyway, my point is--make sure you think about your future and the future of your son before you agree to anything.  Having an attorney can help to be sure you are receiving what is rightfully yours now and into the future. In my first marriage, I did not have an attorney and just agreed to whatever my ex asked for so I could get out.  I didn't have children, I was still young, and I had a good job.  I know I got screwed, but I really didn't care.  With the end of my second marriage, I had 2 children, I was in my 50's and hadn't worked outside the home in over 20 years.  I was totally dependent on getting a good settlement in order to survive, and be able to properly care for my kids.  I was married to man who had made more than a few poor decisions, and I was not going to depend on him to make good decisions into the future regarding our children.

When I bought my house, my situation was almost the opposite of yours.  I had no income, but was able to secure a loan strictly on my good credit rating.  I hope every woman reading this takes heed if they do not currently have credit in their own name.  It is critical that you do so.  If you buy a car with your spouse, put it solely in your name to help establish your own credit.  The same can be true of buying a house.  Anything which will allow for establishing payment patterns--and then be sure to make those payments on time every month.  Thankfully, I was the one to keep track of the finances during my second marriage, as he would never have made payments on time and our credit would have been deplorable.

Getting all the utilities, etc., into your name is a pain, but not hard to do.  I have an accountant do my taxes, as it is over my head and his advice is well worth what I pay him.  Make sure you and your stbex establish who will carry the health insurance for your son, who will pay for visits to the dentist, is anyone going to help with college costs (no one has to do anything after the child is 18), who pays for school clothes and supplies, etc., etc., etc.  I know you think it will all be fine and the two of you will work well together on this, but it really will change once the divorce is in place.  It will change even more if he gets into a new relationship (or you do) and some new woman doesn't want him spending so much on his child.  Maybe none of this will be a problem, but there will almost always be some problems, even in the best of divorce situations.

Please consider all your options carefully before you agree to anything.

Brigid   

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2006, 01:16:43 AM »
I know you think it will all be fine and the two of you will work well together on this, but it really will change once the divorce is in place.  It will change even more if he gets into a new relationship (or you do) and some new woman doesn't want him spending so much on his child.  Maybe none of this will be a problem, but there will almost always be some problems, even in the best of divorce situations.

Thank you for all your suggestions Brigid and for taking time to write all of this out, especially the bit I have put above.

Maybe I am naive and need to reconsider, or at least to have a contingency in place if things go wrong.

I guess I deal with things differently than other people, I have a different way of thinking and different energy levels with the bipolar thing, but also I was raised with people who were always so negative and an attitude of 'it can't be done'. So I don't give up easily!

Most people won't agree with me on the way I have handled my ex, but I do love him and I do love my family unit and would do anything to preserve it for our son. And to help him- I would do anything to help him overcome the Nism, and repair our family unit. I wouldn't do this for everyone, but I have been through a lot with him.

I know that's risky and may not succeed despite all our efforts. But I have also seen some pretty amazing changes in our family too- we have all grown separately and together this past few years, and I like the healthiness which springs out of that. It's a ressurection, a transforming, and it gives great hope to see situations we thought were hopeless take on a new life.

He's even starting to examine his faith beliefs! after years of dismissing religion 100% and being angry.

I know I am not his saviour and if he changes his mind or regresses it may seem like I put myself in a bad position or was taken advantage of. But I have to try, not to save our marriage which we both agree can't work for us, but just as one human to another and in a spirit of love. He showed a lot of compassion to me when I was very sick- and I believe it was a turning point for him.

He's a good man in so many ways, his flaws don't completely define him just as with mine. If he's prepared to work on things I have to let him try and let him have a chance to heal the hurt.

So far I have to say he is not letting me down, and I have a better feeling about our family than previously. It's been slow but a steady progression.

I think for him the therapy and AD s have made all the difference. I wouldn't advocate anyone else try to work with a NPD partner unless the person was with an experienced psychiatrist- it really does make a difference.

If I end up poor then I'll have to earn my own money! I know women are often at a big disadvantage when they have small children or sick & elderly relatives to care for but I am as able to earn a living as anyone else now and I am not too worried about that. What I don't know I can learn- even taxes!

I don't need a man to rescue me, in fact if anyone tries I shall tell them to b*gger off as we Brits say, & be suspicious about their motive!

Goodnight everyone, sweet dreams.


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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2006, 10:00:54 AM »
Write,
I will just say that my x has been on ad's for years and in therapy with a psych since before we separated.  He has always been a nice guy and has done everything possible to keep the relationship between us cordial since the divorce.  The problem is that he lies and there is no way I can trust anything he says anymore.  When we exchange e-mails, he is always friendly as long as nothing is mentioned about the past or the fact that he continues in an affair with a married woman (I personally could care less, but do have issues with him discussing it with our son--who finds it disgusting). 

It was agreed at the time of the divorce, that I would take no financial responsibility for our children's educations.  He assumed that I would eventually cave in by the time we signed the decree and agree to pay half, but I flat out refused.  I do everything else for the kids and I felt this was his responsibility because he had promised them at the time of the separation that they would never have to worry about their college educations (I have the e-mail to prove it) and he had to live up to it.  Sure enough, I got a call from my son right after school started this year saying he needed money to buy a meal plan because dad didn't have the money right now, but he might be able to pay me back later.  Of course I paid it.  He knew I would pay it because he knows I would never be able to not provide what my children need.  I won't be holding my breath on ever getting that money back.

I just hope you can keep your own needs and the needs of your son as a higher priority than how your ex is doing.  No matter how much you care about him, your lives will soon be separate and you will need to have an emotional distance from him if you want to consider ever moving forward in a new relationship.  When you get to the point of seriously dating, you will no doubt be with men who are divorced and share children with an ex-wife.  You want them to have a good working relationship with that ex and a good relationship with their children, but to not be emotionally attached and involved with that ex.  I did have a brief relationship with a man who could not distance himself from his ex and it became just too weird for me.

I wish you well.

Brigid

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2006, 09:29:24 AM »
The problem is that he lies and there is no way I can trust anything he says anymore.  When we exchange e-mails, he is always friendly as long as nothing is mentioned about the past or the fact that he continues in an affair with a married woman (I personally could care less, but do have issues with him discussing it with our son--who finds it disgusting). 

I am sorry Brigid.

I know I am very idealistic about the chances of change, but some people do so hang in there and maybe one day your ex will wake up.

I just hope you can keep your own needs and the needs of your son as a higher priority than how your ex is doing.

it's all separate now, I think we were really 'enmeshed' before, we all seem distinct now.

I've also done a lot of crazy stuff myself, too.

I did have a brief relationship with a man who could not distance himself from his ex and it became just too weird for me.

some of my friends and family think it's weird I'm not just slugging it out in court! but when we're ready to do new relationships I hope we're both respectful enough to get out of the way...

I do really want a relationship some time but I know unless I finish this one I will just take all the baggage into the next.

My ex says he will simply switch affections when he finds someone else, he said that's how he is.

He is more decent than most on the topic of money though and I never knew him rip anyone off in all the years I have known him.

He knew I would pay it because he knows I would never be able to not provide what my children need.  I won't be holding my breath on ever getting that money back.

that's sad and really letting you down, I can see why it would be hard to trust him.

You have handled the whole situation remarkably well though, given his unreliability.

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2006, 10:02:37 AM »
Hi write,

Here are some basic rules I try to abide by.  I've been devasted financially, more than once, after a split and won't let myself fall into that trap again.

1.  Re: budgeting for the occasional or emergency bills - try to have 3 months living expenses in your savings account at all times.  I like having 10K in there.  It's probably more than I need (as I have no kids and live with b/f), but it's a nice round number and a good goal.  If I dip below I don't panic, I just have the goal to bump it up the next month or two.

2.  In any new relationship, save separately.  If one day it should fail, you've got your own pot to retire on.


3.  Re: the Divorce decree.  Keeping lawyers out of it is a very good idea, as they simply cost money and in most states, you have to split everything 50/50 anyway, legally, as most states are community property states (so you can review your DD to make sure it roughly follows this simple rule).  Also, in your case since H is being reasonable, which is not only less stressful, it's smart, as unreasonableness leads to $$$$ (lawyers).  You can have an objective friend review your DD to make sure you're not shorting yourself.  If he has a 401K, you want to try to cash in on that - he'll say its impossible - make him research this, nothing is impossible.  It was the big mistake I made when my ex and I split.  I gave him this, and had to start over from scratch.  There is no reason it cannot be split in two and since you've been with him many years, you deserve half.  If it cannot be split he should start a fund and contribute to it, until it equals what he has, which will take Years (he probably won't want to do this, but in the long run, its the only fair thing). 

4.   Be careful removing your name from his insurance, or your name from mutual debts before the divorce if finalized.  It's not necessary until final, anyway, and there's no advantage to you taking your name off until the decree is signed by the judge (and at that time he'll order you both to do this - you must absolve each other from joint debt going forward, the DD will spell out what to do about everything that's happened in the past).

5.  Put the lizard, and any other pets, in the DD (you don't want there to be a dispute about this later).

6.  Spell out the custody arrangements you've agreed to very carefully.

The instructions for submitting the DD can be found at your county's court, read them when you are calm and focused.  It's actually not too bad submitting the paperwork yourself, but you want to make sure you don't miss important deadlines.

good luck, you'll be great!

bean 

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Re: Women and finances after divorce
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2006, 01:39:11 AM »
Thanks Bean, I think I will be fine ( with a few hiccups )

Ok, I have now got the apartment, my ex bought a house.

That reduces my monthly bills considerably, which takes a weight off, I am finding you really have to optimize when the income is less.

1. Ok, I asked the bank to open me another savings account and I'll aim for $10 000 'contingency'.

2. Yes, it would be a long time before I was ready to mingle finances- the last step in fact!

3. Divorce is back on hold for a few weeks until I have this minor operation and organise new insurance.
I can still do the paperwork, just won't file it unless I am covered.
I doubt we'll need a lawyer if things stay on track.

4. We have no debts and already split the savings and assets.
Property is considered joint in TX whilst you're married- my ex even had to have my name on the deed of his new house!

5. Dog is mine, but my son can have her at daddy's and he takes care of her when I'm out of town etc anyway.

6. Our son has been moving between us for the past 2.5 years and we've had no problems arranging stuff between us after the initial few weeks.

Thank you, this is all really helpful.

Did I miss anything? ( it is almost 1 am- so much for my early night! )